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Nor had the pigs lost any freedoms...until the gate was closed!
Excellent point.
Also the reason I told Maggie this is just a cautionary tale and people should remember the lesson within it.
But I would imagine those pigs were happier knowing they didn't have to scrounge for food any longer. That's another lesson to be learned, no? But the farmers who captured them? Again, what "liberties" did they lose? They had to shell out money to buy the feed, but that's not freedom lost.
Nor had the pigs lost any freedoms...until the gate was closed!
Excellent point.
Also the reason I told Maggie this is just a cautionary tale and people should remember the lesson within it.
But I would imagine those pigs were happier knowing they didn't have to scrounge for food any longer. That's another lesson to be learned, no? But the farmers who captured them? Again, what "liberties" did they lose? They had to shell out money to buy the feed, but that's not freedom lost.
Pig #2: So what if we stop getting free corn?Pig #1: I've got some good news and some bad news.
Pig #2: Oh, yeah. Let's hear it.
Pig #1: The good news is we don't have to roam around any longer looking for food.
Pig #2: Cool! What's the bad news?
Pig #1: WE'RE STUCK IN THIS STINKING LITTLE PEN...FOR THE REST OF OUR FUCK'N LIVES!!!
Maggie Welfare is an entitlement program, so isn't medicare/cade and social security.
I personally want to opt out of both programs, pay nothing in and take nothing out. But My constitutional freedom to choose is taken away by the federal government when they overreach their authority as limited by the 10th ammendment.
^^ clarified by James Madison, to-wit:
FindLaw: U.S. Constitution: Tenth Amendment
RESERVED POWERS
Scope and Purpose
''The Tenth Amendment was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the States or to the people. It added nothing to the instrument as originally ratified.''
1 ''The amendment states but a truism that all is retained which has not been surrendered. There is nothing in the history of its adoption to suggest that it was more than declaratory of the relationship between the national and state governments as it had been established by the Constitution before the amendment or that its purpose was other than to allay fears that the new national government might seek to exercise powers not granted, and that the states might not be able to exercise fully their reserved powers.''
2 That this provision was not conceived to be a yardstick for measuring the powers granted to the Federal Government or reserved to the States was firmly settled by the refusal of both Houses of Congress to insert the word ''expressly'' before the word ''delegated,''
3 and was confirmed by Madison's remarks in the course of the debate which took place while the proposed amendment was pending concerning Hamilton's plan to establish a national bank. ''Interference with the power of the States was no constitutional criterion of the power of Congress. If the power was not given, Congress could not exercise it; if given, they might exercise it, although it should interfere with the laws, or even the Constitutions of the States.''
4 Nevertheless, for approximately a century, from the death of Marshall until 1937, the Tenth Amendment was frequently invoked to curtail powers expressly granted to Congress, notably the powers to regulate commerce, to enforce the Fourteenth Amendment, and to lay and collect taxes.
Maggie the language of the 10th ammendment is extremely clear. In the past we, the people, allowed the courts to alter and change the scope of what it says. In effect we let the federal government take powers that are not constitutionally theirs to have, its time we take the power back.
lyrics RAM said:In the right light, study becomes insight
But the system that dissed us Teaches us to read and write
The present curriculum
I put my fist in 'em
Eurocentric (Pro-Progressive) every last one of 'em
See right through the red, white and blue disguise
With lecture I puncture the structure of lies
Installed in our minds and attempting
To hold us back
We've got to take it back
Holes in our spirit causin' tears and fears
One-sided stories for years and years and years
I'm inferior? Whose inferior?
Yeah, we need to check the interior
Of the system that cares about only one culture (big progressive govt)
And that is why We gotta take the power back
The teacher stands in front of the class
But the lesson plan he can't recall
The student's eyes don't perceive the lies
Bouncing off every fucking wall
His composure is well kept
I guess he fears playing the fool
The complacent students sit and listen to some of that
Bullshit that he learned in school
Europe ain't my rope to swing on
Can't learn a thing from it
Yet we hang from it
(Americans need) To expose and close the doors on those who try
To strangle and mangle the truth (Progressive politicians)
'Cause the circle of hatred continues unless we react
We gotta take the power back
Excellent point.
Also the reason I told Maggie this is just a cautionary tale and people should remember the lesson within it.
But I would imagine those pigs were happier knowing they didn't have to scrounge for food any longer. That's another lesson to be learned, no? But the farmers who captured them? Again, what "liberties" did they lose? They had to shell out money to buy the feed, but that's not freedom lost.
Pig #1: I've got some good news and some bad news.
Pig #2: Oh, yeah. Let's hear it.
Pig #1: The good news is we don't have to roam around any longer looking for food.
Pig #2: Cool! What's the bad news?
Pig #1: WE'RE STUCK IN THIS STINKING LITTLE PEN...FOR THE REST OF OUR FUCK'N LIVES!!!
Thats why the Wild Pigs need guns
Democracy is two wolves and a Lamb voting on what is for dinner, liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the outcome -Thomas Jefferson.
^^ clarified by James Madison, to-wit:
FindLaw: U.S. Constitution: Tenth Amendment
RESERVED POWERS
Scope and Purpose
''The Tenth Amendment was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the States or to the people. It added nothing to the instrument as originally ratified.''
1 ''The amendment states but a truism that all is retained which has not been surrendered. There is nothing in the history of its adoption to suggest that it was more than declaratory of the relationship between the national and state governments as it had been established by the Constitution before the amendment or that its purpose was other than to allay fears that the new national government might seek to exercise powers not granted, and that the states might not be able to exercise fully their reserved powers.''
2 That this provision was not conceived to be a yardstick for measuring the powers granted to the Federal Government or reserved to the States was firmly settled by the refusal of both Houses of Congress to insert the word ''expressly'' before the word ''delegated,''
3 and was confirmed by Madison's remarks in the course of the debate which took place while the proposed amendment was pending concerning Hamilton's plan to establish a national bank. ''Interference with the power of the States was no constitutional criterion of the power of Congress. If the power was not given, Congress could not exercise it; if given, they might exercise it, although it should interfere with the laws, or even the Constitutions of the States.''
4 Nevertheless, for approximately a century, from the death of Marshall until 1937, the Tenth Amendment was frequently invoked to curtail powers expressly granted to Congress, notably the powers to regulate commerce, to enforce the Fourteenth Amendment, and to lay and collect taxes.
Maggie the language of the 10th ammendment is extremely clear. In the past we, the people, allowed the courts to alter and change the scope of what it says. In effect we let the federal government take powers that are not constitutionally theirs to have, its time we take the power back.
lyrics RAM said:In the right light, study becomes insight
But the system that dissed us Teaches us to read and write
The present curriculum
I put my fist in 'em
Eurocentric (Pro-Progressive) every last one of 'em
See right through the red, white and blue disguise
With lecture I puncture the structure of lies
Installed in our minds and attempting
To hold us back
We've got to take it back
Holes in our spirit causin' tears and fears
One-sided stories for years and years and years
I'm inferior? Whose inferior?
Yeah, we need to check the interior
Of the system that cares about only one culture (big progressive govt)
And that is why We gotta take the power back
The teacher stands in front of the class
But the lesson plan he can't recall
The student's eyes don't perceive the lies
Bouncing off every fucking wall
His composure is well kept
I guess he fears playing the fool
The complacent students sit and listen to some of that
Bullshit that he learned in school
Europe ain't my rope to swing on
Can't learn a thing from it
Yet we hang from it
(Americans need) To expose and close the doors on those who try
To strangle and mangle the truth (Progressive politicians)
'Cause the circle of hatred continues unless we react
We gotta take the power back
Knock yourself out. Perhaps you could get Marauder's band together and ya'll could serenade the Supreme Court and they'd make a decision in your favor as to the intent of the 10th Amendment.
Troll? What am I "trolling"??? Do you even know what it means?
Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
That's what you just did. You cannot possibly believe what you posted.
You won an award. What else do you want?
Excuse me? First of all, I believe every word I said. The common lament coming from the right these days is "My liberty is being stolen!!!!!!!!!! To which I say bullshit.
Second, an Internet troll is someone who contributes zero to the debate but only jumps in to inflame, often with profane language denigrating the messenger, not the message,and when he/she is logged on, enters a disrupting posting in thread after thread. If you think that's what I do, then you've obviously chosen to ignore the thousands of posts I've made for months.
Thats why the Wild Pigs need guns
Democracy is two wolves and a Lamb voting on what is for dinner, liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the outcome -Thomas Jefferson.
Heh heh...funny, but that's the quote every LOSING PARTY digs out of its repertoire of historical quotes.
.YouTube - How to Catch a Wild Pig
For those that would rather read instead of watch.
A chemistry professor at a large college had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Professor noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.
In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?' The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come every day to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again.
You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat; you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught.
Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.
The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms -- just a little at a time.
I got that in an email a long time ago.
Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
That's what you just did. You cannot possibly believe what you posted.
You won an award. What else do you want?
Excuse me? First of all, I believe every word I said. The common lament coming from the right these days is "My liberty is being stolen!!!!!!!!!! To which I say bullshit.
Second, an Internet troll is someone who contributes zero to the debate but only jumps in to inflame, often with profane language denigrating the messenger, not the message,and when he/she is logged on, enters a disrupting posting in thread after thread. If you think that's what I do, then you've obviously chosen to ignore the thousands of posts I've made for months.
I cannot believe that somebody can be as dumb as you. Have you not heard of the Patriot Act, just to name one tiny piece of legislation that our liberties are being 'stolen'? Jeez. How stupid can you get. I apologize for calling you a troll. Trolls are usually smart. You're just an idiot.
YouTube - How to Catch a Wild Pig
For those that would rather read instead of watch.
A chemistry professor at a large college had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Professor noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.
In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?' The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come every day to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again.
You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat; you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught.
Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.
The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms -- just a little at a time.
I got that in an email a long time ago.
When you say "Freedom", do you mean the right to live in an anarchist state/region like---Antartica??
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Is the moral of the story to vote Democrat no matter what?
Maggie the language of the 10th ammendment is extremely clear. In the past we, the people, allowed the courts to alter and change the scope of what it says. In effect we let the federal government take powers that are not constitutionally theirs to have, its time we take the power back.
Knock yourself out. Perhaps you could get Marauder's band together and ya'll could serenade the Supreme Court and they'd make a decision in your favor as to the intent of the 10th Amendment.
The intent is clear in its language. The intent was to not give power to the federal government not specifically granted in the constitution.
I can't help it if progressives want to change what those words mean and have been doing a good job at changing things since their Father Teddy Roosevelt took office.
James Madison was a progressive?
Don't worry the people (Hello MA voters) are coming to kick the british out (The current crop of reps/dems in political office) once again and we will set things right (by electing new blood).
Excuse me? First of all, I believe every word I said. The common lament coming from the right these days is "My liberty is being stolen!!!!!!!!!! To which I say bullshit.
Second, an Internet troll is someone who contributes zero to the debate but only jumps in to inflame, often with profane language denigrating the messenger, not the message,and when he/she is logged on, enters a disrupting posting in thread after thread. If you think that's what I do, then you've obviously chosen to ignore the thousands of posts I've made for months.
I cannot believe that somebody can be as dumb as you. Have you not heard of the Patriot Act, just to name one tiny piece of legislation that our liberties are being 'stolen'? Jeez. How stupid can you get. I apologize for calling you a troll. Trolls are usually smart. You're just an idiot.
Minuse the insults at maggie I agree with what you said.
The patriot act is what really woke me up and got me totally involved in what my government was doing. That was a huge intrusion on our rights.
The most recent attempt by our progressive government was taking away my right to choose what to do with my own body with the health care fiasco. They attempted to create a new right (health insurance) and then FORCE us to work and pay for the access to that right....thank god my state isn't as dumb as the nation had perceived us as being until Scott Brown was elected by our independant majority.
Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
That's what you just did. You cannot possibly believe what you posted.
You won an award. What else do you want?
Excuse me? First of all, I believe every word I said. The common lament coming from the right these days is "My liberty is being stolen!!!!!!!!!! To which I say bullshit.
Second, an Internet troll is someone who contributes zero to the debate but only jumps in to inflame, often with profane language denigrating the messenger, not the message,and when he/she is logged on, enters a disrupting posting in thread after thread. If you think that's what I do, then you've obviously chosen to ignore the thousands of posts I've made for months.
I cannot believe that somebody can be as dumb as you. Have you not heard of the Patriot Act, just to name one tiny piece of legislation that our liberties are being 'stolen'? Jeez. How stupid can you get. I apologize for calling you a troll. Trolls are usually smart. You're just an idiot.
