How To Catch A Wild Pig

[uscitizen]

No problem you just make methanol from all the corn.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

The conservative obsession with government handouts is absurd. It is so over emphasized by them, just so that they have something to bitch about....

Though I certainly do believe that free loaders - those who are capable of working - should be dumped from government handouts - the simple fact is tha vast majority of people who recieve government money are not capable of working AND that the amount that they recieve is miniscule. Sure yes, we should hunt out and eliminate fraud too.

However what's more important is the fact that as a percentage of government spending, these program are tiny.

What is not tiny and is destroying this country, is the huge number of people, who thru private 'enterprise', obtain huge amounts of money without making any real contribution to this soceity whatsoever.

The devaluation of labor is the overwhelming economic problem. Nobody wants to do anything that's actually productive in real terms. We've created soceity where productive people are treated economically and socially like dirt. Everyone just wants to make a fortune by doing nothing - they call it investing.

The simple fact is societies can survive very well without lawyers, bankers, executives or accountants, but no society can survive without ditch diggers...the black plague would be back real quick.

So great we can all become bankers. No carpenters, farmers, construction workers, electricians, miners, factory workers or any of the other low lifes that conservatives believe deserve nothing for their labors.

But without the low lifes there'd be no life!

What does government produce with all that spending?
What is wrong with investing in your own future?

 

[MaggieMae]

America's annual entitlement spending makes up well over half of the entire budget - and at present course, will put the debt at 100% of GDP within 20 years.

And this does not even begin to count the entitlement programs that take place at the state and county levels - billions more wasted each year.

The post regarding the importance of "ditch diggers"...is missing the point.

Why dig a ditch for pay when you can sit on your ass and still get a check?

The entitlement mentality is swamping the nation - and has been for some time. We have managed, due to our great wealth and power, to continue existing despite this mentality by far too many, but now those numbers are finally breaking the bank of even the United States.

The free ride for too many has got to end, or we will all find ourselves fully fenced in...

"Entitlement" programs are separate and apart from "welfare" programs. When you get to the age when you qualify, you'll want your Social Security benefits and Medicare just like the rest of us and I can guarantee your attitude will change.

 

[MaggieMae]

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms -- just a little at a time.

Similar stories have been around for decades. The only difference is the added sentence, which really has nothing to do with the rest of it. Who are "we" in the context of the captured pigs??? Although I agree that government assistance is overboard, what "freedoms" have you lost? I haven't lost any. Ever. None, nada, zip, zilch, zero.

The right to be rich in America...without government approval.

You have no right to pocket your riches if you legitimately owe taxes and intentionally avoid them. You can argue that the tax laws are arbitrary till those caged pigs fly, but you should still be penalized if you can afford the taxes but just don't feel like coughing them because greed has grabbed you by the balls and you try to disguise it in the name of "liberty." Bullshit.

 

[MaggieMae]

You win today's troll award. Congratulations!!!!

Troll? What am I "trolling"??? Do you even know what it means?

Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

That's what you just did. You cannot possibly believe what you posted.

You won an award. What else do you want?

Excuse me? First of all, I believe every word I said. The common lament coming from the right these days is "My liberty is being stolen!!!!!!!!!! To which I say bullshit.

Second, an Internet troll is someone who contributes zero to the debate but only jumps in to inflame, often with profane language denigrating the messenger, not the message,and when he/she is logged on, enters a disrupting posting in thread after thread. If you think that's what I do, then you've obviously chosen to ignore the thousands of posts I've made for months.

 

[MaggieMae]

How To Catch A Wild Pig

Hold out a free Obama bumper sticker as bait

Memo to Xisted: Now THAT'S a "troll." ^^

 

[DiamondDave]

How To Catch A Wild Pig

Hold out a free Obama bumper sticker as bait

Memo to Xisted: Now THAT'S a "troll." ^^

It's a funny.. a ha ha.. a knee slapper... a giggle...

Jeez

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Too damn funny!!!

 

[MaggieMae]

Hold out a free Obama bumper sticker as bait

Memo to Xisted: Now THAT'S a "troll." ^^

It's a funny.. a ha ha.. a knee slapper... a giggle...

Jeez

Yeah, well, if you intend to become a comedian, don't quit your day job.

 

[DiamondDave]

Memo to Xisted: Now THAT'S a "troll." ^^

It's a funny.. a ha ha.. a knee slapper... a giggle...

Jeez

Yeah, well, if you intend to become a comedian, don't quit your day job.

And I would suggest going to the bathroom to get your panties out of the bind they are in

 

[MaggieMae]

It's a funny.. a ha ha.. a knee slapper... a giggle...

Jeez

Yeah, well, if you intend to become a comedian, don't quit your day job.

And I would suggest going to the bathroom to get your panties out of the bind they are in

My panties are just fine where they are, thank you. Now fuck off. (Nevermind, I know you won't be able to resist having the last word, funny man.)

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

The conservative obsession with government handouts is absurd. It is so over emphasized by them, just so that they have something to bitch about....

My obsession is the crushing national defecit that is syphoning off our national wealth along with our oil importing and trade deficit.

Adding more entitlement programs right now is not only a bad idea but an idea that is ignorant of reality and history.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

America's annual entitlement spending makes up well over half of the entire budget - and at present course, will put the debt at 100% of GDP within 20 years.

And this does not even begin to count the entitlement programs that take place at the state and county levels - billions more wasted each year.

The post regarding the importance of "ditch diggers"...is missing the point.

Why dig a ditch for pay when you can sit on your ass and still get a check?

The entitlement mentality is swamping the nation - and has been for some time. We have managed, due to our great wealth and power, to continue existing despite this mentality by far too many, but now those numbers are finally breaking the bank of even the United States.

The free ride for too many has got to end, or we will all find ourselves fully fenced in...

"Entitlement" programs are separate and apart from "welfare" programs. When you get to the age when you qualify, you'll want your Social Security benefits and Medicare just like the rest of us and I can guarantee your attitude will change.

Maggie Welfare is an entitlement program, so isn't medicare/cade and social security.

I personally want to opt out of both programs, pay nothing in and take nothing out. But My constitutional freedom to choose is taken away by the federal government when they overreach their authority as limited by the 10th ammendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[blastoff]

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms -- just a little at a time.

Similar stories have been around for decades. The only difference is the added sentence, which really has nothing to do with the rest of it. Who are "we" in the context of the captured pigs??? Although I agree that government assistance is overboard, what "freedoms" have you lost? I haven't lost any. Ever. None, nada, zip, zilch, zero.

Nor had the pigs lost any freedoms...until the gate was closed!

 

[Xenophon]

Most

Boring

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Ever

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Most

Boring

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Ever

Hence the transcript

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms -- just a little at a time.

Similar stories have been around for decades. The only difference is the added sentence, which really has nothing to do with the rest of it. Who are "we" in the context of the captured pigs??? Although I agree that government assistance is overboard, what "freedoms" have you lost? I haven't lost any. Ever. None, nada, zip, zilch, zero.

Nor had the pigs lost any freedoms...until the gate was closed!

Excellent point.

Also the reason I told Maggie this is just a cautionary tale and people should remember the lesson within it.

 

[MaggieMae]

America's annual entitlement spending makes up well over half of the entire budget - and at present course, will put the debt at 100% of GDP within 20 years.

And this does not even begin to count the entitlement programs that take place at the state and county levels - billions more wasted each year.

The post regarding the importance of "ditch diggers"...is missing the point.

Why dig a ditch for pay when you can sit on your ass and still get a check?

The entitlement mentality is swamping the nation - and has been for some time. We have managed, due to our great wealth and power, to continue existing despite this mentality by far too many, but now those numbers are finally breaking the bank of even the United States.

The free ride for too many has got to end, or we will all find ourselves fully fenced in...

"Entitlement" programs are separate and apart from "welfare" programs. When you get to the age when you qualify, you'll want your Social Security benefits and Medicare just like the rest of us and I can guarantee your attitude will change.

Maggie Welfare is an entitlement program, so isn't medicare/cade and social security.

I personally want to opt out of both programs, pay nothing in and take nothing out. But My constitutional freedom to choose is taken away by the federal government when they overreach their authority as limited by the 10th ammendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

^^ clarified by James Madison, to-wit:

FindLaw: U.S. Constitution: Tenth Amendment

RESERVED POWERS
Scope and Purpose

''The Tenth Amendment was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the States or to the people. It added nothing to the instrument as originally ratified.''

1 ''The amendment states but a truism that all is retained which has not been surrendered. There is nothing in the history of its adoption to suggest that it was more than declaratory of the relationship between the national and state governments as it had been established by the Constitution before the amendment or that its purpose was other than to allay fears that the new national government might seek to exercise powers not granted, and that the states might not be able to exercise fully their reserved powers.''

2 That this provision was not conceived to be a yardstick for measuring the powers granted to the Federal Government or reserved to the States was firmly settled by the refusal of both Houses of Congress to insert the word ''expressly'' before the word ''delegated,''

3 and was confirmed by Madison's remarks in the course of the debate which took place while the proposed amendment was pending concerning Hamilton's plan to establish a national bank. ''Interference with the power of the States was no constitutional criterion of the power of Congress. If the power was not given, Congress could not exercise it; if given, they might exercise it, although it should interfere with the laws, or even the Constitutions of the States.''

4 Nevertheless, for approximately a century, from the death of Marshall until 1937, the Tenth Amendment was frequently invoked to curtail powers expressly granted to Congress, notably the powers to regulate commerce, to enforce the Fourteenth Amendment, and to lay and collect taxes.

 

[MaggieMae]

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms -- just a little at a time.

Similar stories have been around for decades. The only difference is the added sentence, which really has nothing to do with the rest of it. Who are "we" in the context of the captured pigs??? Although I agree that government assistance is overboard, what "freedoms" have you lost? I haven't lost any. Ever. None, nada, zip, zilch, zero.

Nor had the pigs lost any freedoms...until the gate was closed!

Excellent point.

Also the reason I told Maggie this is just a cautionary tale and people should remember the lesson within it.

But I would imagine those pigs were happier knowing they didn't have to scrounge for food any longer. That's another lesson to be learned, no? But the farmers who captured them? Again, what "liberties" did they lose? They had to shell out money to buy the feed, but that's not freedom lost.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

"Entitlement" programs are separate and apart from "welfare" programs. When you get to the age when you qualify, you'll want your Social Security benefits and Medicare just like the rest of us and I can guarantee your attitude will change.

Maggie Welfare is an entitlement program, so isn't medicare/cade and social security.

I personally want to opt out of both programs, pay nothing in and take nothing out. But My constitutional freedom to choose is taken away by the federal government when they overreach their authority as limited by the 10th ammendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

^^ clarified by James Madison, to-wit:

FindLaw: U.S. Constitution: Tenth Amendment

RESERVED POWERS
Scope and Purpose

''The Tenth Amendment was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the States or to the people. It added nothing to the instrument as originally ratified.''

1 ''The amendment states but a truism that all is retained which has not been surrendered. There is nothing in the history of its adoption to suggest that it was more than declaratory of the relationship between the national and state governments as it had been established by the Constitution before the amendment or that its purpose was other than to allay fears that the new national government might seek to exercise powers not granted, and that the states might not be able to exercise fully their reserved powers.''

2 That this provision was not conceived to be a yardstick for measuring the powers granted to the Federal Government or reserved to the States was firmly settled by the refusal of both Houses of Congress to insert the word ''expressly'' before the word ''delegated,''

3 and was confirmed by Madison's remarks in the course of the debate which took place while the proposed amendment was pending concerning Hamilton's plan to establish a national bank. ''Interference with the power of the States was no constitutional criterion of the power of Congress. If the power was not given, Congress could not exercise it; if given, they might exercise it, although it should interfere with the laws, or even the Constitutions of the States.''

4 Nevertheless, for approximately a century, from the death of Marshall until 1937, the Tenth Amendment was frequently invoked to curtail powers expressly granted to Congress, notably the powers to regulate commerce, to enforce the Fourteenth Amendment, and to lay and collect taxes.

Maggie the language of the 10th ammendment is extremely clear. In the past we, the people, allowed the courts to alter and change the scope of what it says. In effect we let the federal government take powers that are not constitutionally theirs to have, its time we take the power back.

In the right light, study becomes insight
But the system that dissed us Teaches us to read and write

The present curriculum
I put my fist in 'em
Eurocentric (Pro-Progressive) every last one of 'em
See right through the red, white and blue disguise
With lecture I puncture the structure of lies
Installed in our minds and attempting
To hold us back

We've got to take it back
Holes in our spirit causin' tears and fears
One-sided stories for years and years and years
I'm inferior? Whose inferior?
Yeah, we need to check the interior
Of the system that cares about only one culture (big progressive govt)
And that is why We gotta take the power back

The teacher stands in front of the class
But the lesson plan he can't recall
The student's eyes don't perceive the lies
Bouncing off every fucking wall
His composure is well kept
I guess he fears playing the fool
The complacent students sit and listen to some of that
Bullshit that he learned in school

Europe ain't my rope to swing on
Can't learn a thing from it
Yet we hang from it
(Americans need) To expose and close the doors on those who try
To strangle and mangle the truth (Progressive politicians)
'Cause the circle of hatred continues unless we react
We gotta take the power back