How the U.S. Stole Mexico

[Meathead]

We won a war, they signed a peace treaty. They then signed another treaty giving us a bit more of the land.

Nothing Stolen.

As a matter of fact, we purchased Gasden.

 

[hadit]

Mexico stole it from Spain. Spain stole it from the Aztecs. The Aztecs stole it from the neighboring tribes, etc. PLease find me a country a that wasn't stolen from someone else at least once.

And the way you play the blame game is to find someone you support that was victimized by someone you hate and pretend that's the only transaction that counts.

 

[Zincwarrior]

took it, not stole it.

Robbery is a form of theft.

 

[IM2]

Mexico stole it from Spain. Spain stole it from the Aztecs. The Aztecs stole it from the neighboring tribes, etc. PLease find me a country a that wasn't stolen from someone else at least once.

The Aztecs and other indgenus tribes are "Mexicans". England wasn't stolen by France. Germany wasn't stolen by Italy. Let's stop making excuses.

 

[martybegan]

Robbery is a form of theft.

Robbery is breaking a law, and at the time all this happened, there were no laws about war.

You have to go to the Kellogg-Briand pact from the 1920's for the first attempt to "outlaw" war.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Robbery is breaking a law, and at the time all this happened, there were no laws about war.

You have to go to the Kellogg-Briand pact from the 1920's for the first attempt to "outlaw" war.

Taking something that belongs to someone else also has equitable recourse. Not getting what you are trying to argue here, like I am not getting what the OP is arguing. I am sure its likely but I know of no nation that exists that was conquered from someone else, even Japan.

Vietnam mayhaps?

 

[martybegan]

Taking something that belongs to someone else also has equitable recourse. Not getting what you are trying to argue here, like I am not getting what the OP is arguing. I am sure its likely but I know of no nation that exists that was conquered from someone else, even Japan.

Vietnam mayhaps?

Calling wars between countries resulting in land changes "robbery" implies some law was broken.

Do you know how many times the lines have changed in Europe?

 

[IM2]

Talking about Mexico is racist. You didn't get permission first.

Fun fact, Mexico wasn't founded until 1810. Guess who owned the land before then and what racists stole it from them? Keep going, you can do it. We have confidence you can look past the most recent headlines. Ultimately, you have to find the very first settlers in the area to determine where the racism truly started.

Mexico wasn't called Mexico, it was split up into several different regions by tribe. I am talking about what America did, which was based on racism. The racism started in Europe, where the first Racial classifications were made up in the 1700's.

" The concept of race is one of the most problematic legacies of the Enlightenment. Most existing historiography on this concept frames its subject by two discontinuities. At the beginning of the story, we have the invention of race by European naturalists and anthropologists, marked by the publication of the book Systema naturae in 1735, in which the Swedish naturalist Carl Linnaeus proposed a classification of humankind into four distinct races. At its end stands the demise of race as a viable biological concept after World War II in favor of population-genetic conceptions of human diversity, again prominently marked by the UNESCO Statement on Race issued in 1950."

Race and History: Comments from an Epistemological Point of View - PMC

The historiography of race is usually framed by two discontinuities: The invention of race by European naturalists and anthropologists, marked by Carl Linnaeus’s Systema naturae (1735); and the demise of racial typologies after WWII in favor of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[IM2]

Taking something that belongs to someone else also has equitable recourse. Not getting what you are trying to argue here, like I am not getting what the OP is arguing. I am sure its likely but I know of no nation that exists that was conquered from someone else, even Japan.

Vietnam mayhaps?

I'm arguing that our government stole the land that belongs to the people the government is trying to stop from coming here today. The argument that everybody else did it is not a valid one.

 

[Meathead]

The Aztecs and other indgenus tribes are "Mexicans". England wasn't stolen by France. Germany wasn't stolen by Italy. Let's stop making excuses.

They were all "stolen" from the Celts. You know little about history.

 

[my2¢]

Years ago, I read that Abe Lincoln was against the Mexican War. This refreshes my memory, in that I mostly remember he didn't buy into the premise for the war, which brings to mind some of our more recent wars dating back to Vietnam.

Elected as a Whig to Congress in 1846, Abraham Lincoln gained notoriety when he lashed out against the Mexican War, calling it immoral, proslavery, and a threat to the nation's republican values. President James K. Polk had called for war, accusing Mexico of shedding of "American blood on American soil.” Lincoln responded by introducing a series of resolutions demanding to know the "particular spot of soil on which the blood of our citizens was so shed." One of Lincoln's constituents branded him "the Benedict Arnold of our district," and he was denied renomination by his own party.

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[Zincwarrior]

Calling wars between countries resulting in land changes "robbery" implies some law was broken.

Do you know how many times the lines have changed in Europe?

80 bazillion. I am completely agreeing with you.

Even Mexico tried to steal land from the tribes here by saying it was theirs and not the Comanche or Kickapoo, who rightly stole it from the Apache first!*

*Wanting to steal West Texas from anyone else is ...my God why?!?

 

[Zincwarrior]

I'm arguing that our government stole the land that belongs to the people the government is trying to stop from coming here today. The argument that everybody else did it is not a valid one.

Your argument fails because the people coming here did not live here. The people that lived here never left. Logically if you have to come "here" you're from "there." The people coming from Ecuador lived here. The people coming from Yucatan never lived here. The people coming from South Afrika never lived here.

 

[martybegan]

80 bazillion. I am completely agreeing with you.

Even Mexico tried to steal land from the tribes here by saying it was theirs and not the Comanche or Kickapoo, who rightly stole it from the Apache first!*

*Wanting to steal West Texas from anyone else is ...my God why?!?
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I just disagree on using the term "Steal"

They took the land, after beating them in combat.

 

[Meathead]

Years ago, I read that Abe Lincoln was against the Mexican War. This refreshes my memory, in that I mostly remember he didn't buy into the premise for the war, which brings to mind some of our more recent wars dating back to Vietnam.

Elected as a Whig to Congress in 1846, Abraham Lincoln gained notoriety when he lashed out against the Mexican War, calling it immoral, proslavery, and a threat to the nation's republican values. President James K. Polk had called for war, accusing Mexico of shedding of "American blood on American soil.” Lincoln responded by introducing a series of resolutions demanding to know the "particular spot of soil on which the blood of our citizens was so shed." One of Lincoln's constituents branded him "the Benedict Arnold of our district," and he was denied renomination by his own party.

Digital History

Greatest 1-term president in American history:

James K. Polk - Wikipedia

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[westwall]

The problem with the obsession with the southern border is the fact that America stole the land from Mexico. So what we have today is another example of how our past, fueled by racism, has created the problems we have today.

No, we beat them in a war, then we paid for it.

The only nation to ever do so.

 

[IM2]

Your argument fails because the people coming here did not live here. The people that lived here never left. Logically if you have to come "here" you're from "there." The people coming from Ecuador lived here. The people coming from Yucatan never lived here. The people coming from South Afrika never lived here.

The fact here is that most of them are relocating to a place that once belonged to them and was taken illegally. The South Africans should not be here.

 

[Unkotare]

IM2 wants to make it all about racism. What a shock!

 

[westwall]

I'm arguing that our government stole the land that belongs to the people the government is trying to stop from coming here today. The argument that everybody else did it is not a valid one.

And you are flat assed wrong.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

IM2 wants to make it all about racism. What a shock!

Where does HE live?