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[HikerGuy83]

Actually January 6th and January 7th and 24th were diametrically opposite.
One was a violent attack on law enforcement doing their job by an armed mob of thousands.

Talk all you want.

And spin it as you will.

Whatever you think it was....I say it wasn't smart. And the J6ers paid a price. The details will always have "another" angle and perspective.....especially in our confirmational bias heavy society.

Those who got to close to the edge, whether they went over it or not, got what they deserved (in terms of being somewhere they should not have been).

And from my very distant perspective....that's what Goode and P got too.

I'll let the courts run their course and whatever happens, happens.

People like Stann lose too many brain cells (and he hasn't got a lot to lose) weeping and wailing over this.

Then get butthurt when people don't jump in line with their rants.

 

[HikerGuy83]

And who is arresting those who kept the local police from getting involved?

Exclusive | Minnesota cops beg Walz, pols to let them work with ICE, say they could have prevented shootings

St. Paul Police Federation President Mark Ross blamed state and local officials for the anti-ICE protest violence — saying that if highly trained cops were allowed to work with the feds, it likely …

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[Stann]

This is where hypocrisy is the word of the day.

He referred to me as a petulant child. , that's like trump saying everyone else is one. Same garnage routine.

 

[meaner gene]

Talk all you want.

And spin it as you will.

Whatever you think it was....I say it wasn't smart. And the J6ers paid a price. The details will always have "another" angle and perspective.....especially in our confirmational bias heavy society.

Those who got to close to the edge, whether they went over it or not, got what they deserved (in terms of being somewhere they should not have been).

And from my very distant perspective....that's what Goode and P got too.

Let me get the hypocrisy straight.
Pretti and Good, who were on "public streets" shouldn't have been there.
While January 6th rioters who assaulted scores of law enforcement officers, then broke down doors, and windows to enter restricted space are anywhere the same.

 

[Lesh]

Talk all you want.

And spin it as you will.

Whatever you think it was....I say it wasn't smart. And the J6ers paid a price. The details will always have "another" angle and perspective.....especially in our confirmational bias heavy society.

Those who got to close to the edge, whether they went over it or not, got what they deserved (in terms of being somewhere they should not have been).

And from my very distant perspective....that's what Goode and P got too.

I'll let the courts run their course and whatever happens, happens.

People like Stann lose too many brain cells (and he hasn't got a lot to lose) weeping and wailing over this.

Then get butthurt when people don't jump in line with their rants.

The J6ers paid a price? A very small price considering the price Pretti paid and considering what they did

 

[meaner gene]

And who is arresting those who kept the local police from getting involved?

Exclusive | Minnesota cops beg Walz, pols to let them work with ICE, say they could have prevented shootings

St. Paul Police Federation President Mark Ross blamed state and local officials for the anti-ICE protest violence — saying that if highly trained cops were allowed to work with the feds, it likely …

nypost.com

You don't want the local police involved in ICE operations.
Their duty to "protect and serve" runs anti watching an ICE agent manhandle a civilian.

You don't want armed police confronting armed ICE agents that they're violating the law.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Let me get the hypocrisy straight.

Let's see what you think is hypocrisy.

Now, you are going to pass judgement based on what you think is the case.

And I'll be looking at it wondering just what you are talking about.

Pretti and Good, who were on "public streets" shouldn't have been there.

O.K. I get it.

We'll play this game.....well, no we won't. Public streets with cops mulling all around is not a place to be. You know that, but you've revealed your confirmational bias so I am skeptical about wasting more time here. It's like those who claim the J6ers were just taking a tour.

You bet.

If Goode was where she should have been, then great. I guess it was just her time.

Tell yourself whatever you want.

If ICE killed her illegally for being in the middle of an operation......well that didn't happen.

She failed to follow commands (let the legalities work themselves out later)...at the behest of her wife she tried to drive away. Found the path not clear, kept going and got killed. Right or Wrong.

Anyone who says she dies if she doesn't pull forward is an ass. But, if you think she died to prove something, please tell someone who cares.

While January 6th rioters who assaulted scores of law enforcement officers, then broke down doors, and windows to enter restricted space are anywhere the same.

I am not that familiar with all they did....but that sounds right from what I've seen.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You don't want the local police involved in ICE operations.
Their duty to "protect and serve" runs anti watching an ICE agent manhandle a civilian.

You don't want armed police confronting armed ICE agents that they're violating the law.

It's not me wanting it. It's the MINN PD.

Their claim is that if they had been there, nobody would have died.

And if that meant standing up to ICE, so be it.

My guess is that Goode and P are moved out of the way and kept from ICE so nothing happens. And I am going to go out on a limb and say that ICE would have preferred that.

So YES I DO.

Where I live, local law enforcement works with ICE and we've had ZERO issues as ICE weeds out the illegals.

The people who get arrested are those who get in the way of ICE vehicles or throw rocks at them. ICE appreciates the support.

 

[meaner gene]

We'll play this game.....well, no we won't. Public streets with cops mulling all around is not a place to be. You know that, but you've revealed your confirmational bias so I am skeptical about wasting more time here. It's like those who claim the J6ers were just taking a tour.

Let me get this straight. You're now saying that the public doesn't have a right to watch the people that work for them?
They pay their salary, yet you claim they have no right to see where their tax money is going.

Why can't ICE do what all other 'professional' law enforcement does.

 

[meaner gene]

It's not me wanting it. It's the MINN PD.

Their claim is that if they had been there, nobody would have died.

And if that meant standing up to ICE, so be it.

My guess is that Goode and P are moved out of the way and kept from ICE so nothing happens. And I am going to go out on a limb and say that ICE would have preferred that.

So YES I DO.

Where I live, local law enforcement works with ICE and we've had ZERO issues as ICE weeds out the illegals.

The people who get arrested are those who get in the way of ICE vehicles or throw rocks at them. ICE appreciates the support.

ICE is a lawless law enforcement agency.
For the police to protect and serve the public they could read ICE the law, but as I already said, ICE doesn't follow the law.

Which means, short of gunfire, the local PD couldn't stop ICE from doing whatever they wanted.

 

[Lockback]

ICE is a lawless law enforcement agency.

Bullshit.

For the police to protect and serve the public they could read ICE the law, but as I already said, ICE doesn't follow the law.

Bullshit.

Which means, short of gunfire, the local PD couldn't stop ICE from doing whatever they wanted.

The local PD should always be helping ICE.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Let me get this straight. You're now saying that the public doesn't have a right to watch the people that work for them?
They pay their salary, yet you claim they have no right to see where their tax money is going.

Why don't you get this straight. You can shove your laptop up your ass. I never said they can't watch people that work for them.

But they don't get to run over them (attempted or not). And even if ICE was wrong in shooting her, if she doesn't pull forward, she's alive. That's the end of the conversation.

Your post is a complete fabrication.

I thought I was upgrading from that idiot Stann, but apparently not.

I've heard similar arguments in support of J6 and my answer is still the same....if you get close to the fire, you can easily get burned.

FAFO.

Both are dead....end of story.

My prediction.....nobody in ICE will go to jail.

I waste no time worrying about it.

 

[Stann]

You don't want the local police involved in ICE operations.
Their duty to "protect and serve" runs anti watching an ICE agent manhandle a civilian.

You don't want armed police confronting armed ICE agents that they're violating the law.

Correct , I live in Nebraska ( very republican still ) and they adopted the same policy towards ICE. They will not hamper but they can't assist. It erodes public confidence and that would simply reduce their capacity to serve everyone

 

[HikerGuy83]

ICE is a lawless law enforcement agency.

Sure, yeah, right, whatever.

For the police to protect and serve the public they could read ICE the law, but as I already said, ICE doesn't follow the law.

It works fine where I am at. ICE and our local PD do fine. So, this must be local to MINN.

Which means, short of gunfire, the local PD couldn't stop ICE from doing whatever they wanted.

And we will never know now, will we. Because they were not there. The local cops are the ones making the claim. Tell them what you think. I am sure they'll just jump all over it.

Enjoy your fantasy.

 

[meaner gene]

Sure, yeah, right, whatever.

Dozens of federal judges, and federal appeals courts say that ICE repeatedly violates the law, and the US Constitution

That's the definition of "lawless".

 

[HikerGuy83]

Dozens of federal judges, and federal appeals courts say that ICE repeatedly violates the law, and the US Constitution

That's the definition of "lawless".

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

 

[HikerGuy83]

The local PD should always be helping ICE.

And the local citizenry should not be interfering...and when given commands they should listen.....and it's not a good idea to run your car anywhere near an ICE office if he's in front of you.

You know it is....the wild west.....I guess. Only one place I've read about that has had people killed.

And the whole thing is rotten.

ICE's job is to remove illegals. People don't seem to like that. Hmmm........

 

[Lockback]

And the local citizenry should not be interfering...and when given commands they should listen.....and it's not a good idea to run your car anywhere near an ICE office if he's in front of you.

You know it is....the wild west.....I guess. Only one place I've read about that has had people killed.

And the whole thing is rotten.

ICE's job is to remove illegals. People don't seem to like that. Hmmm........

Oh well. **** them.

 

[HikerGuy83]

One thing we've learned through all this.

Minnisota is racist.

You hear what they were shouting at black ICE agents.

Also loved what they call former pro football players who don't lap up their piss.

 

[Stann]

The local PD should always be helping ICE.

I live in Nebraska ( republican ), our local law enforcement groups all agreed they cannot assist ICE in their work , but they agreed not to hamper them either. The thought behind that reasoning was if they helped them they are not serving the interests of all the people they are serving. That would make them less reliable and less trust worthy in their mission to serve the public. The last thing local police need is having public trust erode for them. They wouldn't be effective in their jobs if that happens. Now you may begin to understand all the problems ICE is facing, Their credibility is already questionable.