How much do extremely wealthy people owe to the society that gave them the chance to prosper so much?

[bripat9643]

Surely something, right? I see a lot of people talk like taxes are theft. Is it not just our obligation?

Why punish success? How much of ones hard earned money is another person entitled to?

We settled that a long time ago. Then Reagan gave rich people and corporations tax breaks he shouldn’t have given. Then bush then trump.

Lets go back to what we decided before Reagan.

Or go back to bill clintons era. We paid more taxes and had a surplus.

We settled it a long time ago? When? I must have missed that. Reagan rewrote the "settlement."

 

[Anomalism]

only because you know I'm right,,

Whatever you say bud.

 

[sealybobo]

Does your lifestyle depend on society?

I'm certainly adult enough not to need other people's money to feed myself, educate myself, pay for my healthcare, or subsidize my other personal expenses. How about you? Adult enough to be paying your own way in life?

I work for someone else so I need other people’s money to feed myself.

Did you go to public or private school? Either way, someone else paid to educate you. Republicans like to believe they were born in the log cabin they built with their own two hands.

You don't understand the difference between money you earn and money the government takes from someone else and gives to you?

We knew you didn't.

I understand. I also make good money and don’t mind paying taxes if it goes to things that benefit society. Not pentagon spending.

how much more did you pay beyond your required amount??

If I could I would cheat and not pay any taxes. Unfortunately only rich guys like trump can get away with that.

that doesnt answer my question,,
you said you have no problem paying more,, so how much more did you pay beyond what youre required to pay??

and so you know trump paid 4 million beyond what he owed,,, along with donating his salary back to the government,,

Bad argument. It’s like asking al gore why he has five homes. I can’t solve the debt problem alone. Every rich person has to pay their fair share. And we need to cut pentagon spending in half.

That is a good question for Algore. Why do all you hypocrites who believe it's evil to keep your own money never pay a dime more than Uncle Sam demands? "Their fair share" is zero, and so is mine. You want to pay more, so what's stopping you?

Because unless we make all rich people pay higher taxes, none will.

Then maybe they’ll start questioning all that military spending we do.

And who does the military work for? They protect corporations so they can safely sell their products around the globe. So corporations who sell internationally should pay more in taxes to pay for all the money we piss away through the pentagon.

 

[bripat9643]

Does your lifestyle depend on society?

I'm certainly adult enough not to need other people's money to feed myself, educate myself, pay for my healthcare, or subsidize my other personal expenses. How about you? Adult enough to be paying your own way in life?

I work for someone else so I need other people’s money to feed myself.

Did you go to public or private school? Either way, someone else paid to educate you. Republicans like to believe they were born in the log cabin they built with their own two hands.

You don't understand the difference between money you earn and money the government takes from someone else and gives to you?

We knew you didn't.

I understand. I also make good money and don’t mind paying taxes if it goes to things that benefit society. Not pentagon spending.

how much more did you pay beyond your required amount??

If I could I would cheat and not pay any taxes. Unfortunately only rich guys like trump can get away with that.

that doesnt answer my question,,
you said you have no problem paying more,, so how much more did you pay beyond what youre required to pay??

and so you know trump paid 4 million beyond what he owed,,, along with donating his salary back to the government,,

Bad argument. It’s like asking al gore why he has five homes. I can’t solve the debt problem alone. Every rich person has to pay their fair share. And we need to cut pentagon spending in half.

why wont you just answer the question???

I didn’t pay any more than required. I’m asking that my government require more from people in my tax bracket. All of us.

That's what makes you a ******* greedy douchebag hypocrite.

 

[progressive hunter]

only because you know I'm right,,

Whatever you say bud.

good,, now runaway like a good little drone,,

 

[sealybobo]

Surely something, right? I see a lot of people talk like taxes are theft. Is it not just our obligation?

Why punish success? How much of ones hard earned money is another person entitled to?

We settled that a long time ago. Then Reagan gave rich people and corporations tax breaks he shouldn’t have given. Then bush then trump.

Lets go back to what we decided before Reagan.

Or go back to bill clintons era. We paid more taxes and had a surplus.

We settled it a long time ago? When? I must have missed that. Reagan rewrote the "settlement."

Exactly. And then the debt skyrocketed. And our infrastructure is falling apart and we’re broke

 

[bripat9643]

The very wealthy are so due to society. They profit the most (by definition) from society. They are defended by society (the sons and daughters of the poor, in fact). It is not only just, it is entirely in their interest to pay as much as necessary for society to continue. They have the most to lose. Playing apologist for the wealthy is about as pitiful as one can get.

depends on what you call wealthy,,,
taking what is not yours is evil,,,

Yea, we’ve heard all that. Taxing the rich is not evil. They lobbied to get our politicians to cut their taxes too much and we need to roll back to pre Reagan era taxes.

They should have never gotten the Reagan bush trump tax breaks. They stole. Only they did it legally.

Taxation is theft, douchebag.

That’s stupid. I can’t even respond other than say no it’s not.

What's the difference between taxation and theft?

 

[hadit]

Of what relevance is that?

The amount you'd pay in taxes for universal healthcare might be less than the amount you give to insurance companies that are waiting to **** you the moment they get a chance.

Might be? Maybe for some at the very lowest part of the income ladder, but most would pay more.

 

[bripat9643]

Surely something, right? I see a lot of people talk like taxes are theft. Is it not just our obligation?

Why punish success? How much of ones hard earned money is another person entitled to?

We settled that a long time ago. Then Reagan gave rich people and corporations tax breaks he shouldn’t have given. Then bush then trump.

Lets go back to what we decided before Reagan.

Or go back to bill clintons era. We paid more taxes and had a surplus.

We settled it a long time ago? When? I must have missed that. Reagan rewrote the "settlement."

Exactly. And then the debt skyrocketed. And our infrastructure is falling apart and we’re broke

Only morons blame Reagan for that.

 

[Anomalism]

What's the difference between taxation and theft?

Without taxes we can't have a functioning society. You benefit more from society than you realize. You owe something back. That's just the way it is.

 

[sealybobo]

Does your lifestyle depend on society?

I'm certainly adult enough not to need other people's money to feed myself, educate myself, pay for my healthcare, or subsidize my other personal expenses. How about you? Adult enough to be paying your own way in life?

I work for someone else so I need other people’s money to feed myself.

Did you go to public or private school? Either way, someone else paid to educate you. Republicans like to believe they were born in the log cabin they built with their own two hands.

You don't understand the difference between money you earn and money the government takes from someone else and gives to you?

We knew you didn't.

I understand. I also make good money and don’t mind paying taxes if it goes to things that benefit society. Not pentagon spending.

how much more did you pay beyond your required amount??

If I could I would cheat and not pay any taxes. Unfortunately only rich guys like trump can get away with that.

that doesnt answer my question,,
you said you have no problem paying more,, so how much more did you pay beyond what youre required to pay??

and so you know trump paid 4 million beyond what he owed,,, along with donating his salary back to the government,,

Bad argument. It’s like asking al gore why he has five homes. I can’t solve the debt problem alone. Every rich person has to pay their fair share. And we need to cut pentagon spending in half.

why wont you just answer the question???

I didn’t pay any more than required. I’m asking that my government require more from people in my tax bracket. All of us.

That's what makes you a ******* greedy douchebag hypocrite.

Nonsense. I know just me paying more taxes won’t do it. All of us need to pay more.

Dont worry. We won’t raise your taxes poor boy

 

[Papageorgio]

Does your lifestyle depend on society?

I'm certainly adult enough not to need other people's money to feed myself, educate myself, pay for my healthcare, or subsidize my other personal expenses. How about you? Adult enough to be paying your own way in life?

I work for someone else so I need other people’s money to feed myself.

Did you go to public or private school? Either way, someone else paid to educate you. Republicans like to believe they were born in the log cabin they built with their own two hands.

You don't understand the difference between money you earn and money the government takes from someone else and gives to you?

We knew you didn't.

I understand. I also make good money and don’t mind paying taxes if it goes to things that benefit society. Not pentagon spending.

how much more did you pay beyond your required amount??

If I could I would cheat and not pay any taxes. Unfortunately only rich guys like trump can get away with that.

that doesnt answer my question,,
you said you have no problem paying more,, so how much more did you pay beyond what youre required to pay??

and so you know trump paid 4 million beyond what he owed,,, along with donating his salary back to the government,,

Bad argument. It’s like asking al gore why he has five homes. I can’t solve the debt problem alone. Every rich person has to pay their fair share. And we need to cut pentagon spending in half.

That is a good question for Algore. Why do all you hypocrites who believe it's evil to keep your own money never pay a dime more than Uncle Sam demands? "Their fair share" is zero, and so is mine. You want to pay more, so what's stopping you?

Because unless we make all rich people pay higher taxes, none will.

Then maybe they’ll start questioning all that military spending we do.

And who does the military work for? They protect corporations so they can safely sell their products around the globe. So corporations who sell internationally should pay more in taxes to pay for all the money we piss away through the pentagon.

We all need to start paying higher taxes and we need to cut spending in every facet of government and we need to do it by at least 25%, otherwise our debt will continue to rise. We need a real conservative in office or a Democratic President and Republican Congress.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Of what relevance is that?

The amount you'd pay in taxes for universal healthcare might be less than the amount you give to insurance companies that are waiting to **** you the moment they get a chance.

No, it really wouldn't be. Take a look at any of the countries held up as "shining lights that we must immediately emulate" on the subject of universal healthcare. Can you find one with lower tax rates?

Even aside from that, there's one very important word that you don't seem to understand: VOLUNTARY. Right now, what I do and don't pay for my healthcare, and who I pay it to, is MY choice. I decide who to pay, how much to pay, and what to pay it for, and the only reason I lack as much choice and control on the subject as I currently do is because of government busybody interference. What you are suggesting is that I should surrender all of my control and my choice on this subject to the government in the hopes that - for the first time in the history of humanity - government will somehow manage to be more cost-efficient than the private sector.

I have seen what the government provides in the way of healthcare when they're put in charge. I'm not interested in trading out my current healthcare for that, and I'm definitely not interested in funding the the massive, wasteful, bureaucratic nightmare that is government control of anything.

 

[toobfreak]

Surely something, right? I see a lot of people talk like taxes are theft. Is it not just our obligation?

Nothing. Most extremely wealthy people have ALREADY given to society by creating growth, jobs, technology, commerce, technology and industry. That is how they got wealthy.

 

[Anomalism]

poor boy

I will never understand poor people that support the Republicans.

 

[progressive hunter]

What's the difference between taxation and theft?

Without taxes we can't have a functioning society. You benefit more from society than you realize. You owe something back. That's just the way it is.

but you want some to pay more than others while half pay nothing,,

with age comes wisdom and since you have yet to age you have no wisdom,,

 

[bripat9643]

Does your lifestyle depend on society?

I'm certainly adult enough not to need other people's money to feed myself, educate myself, pay for my healthcare, or subsidize my other personal expenses. How about you? Adult enough to be paying your own way in life?

I work for someone else so I need other people’s money to feed myself.

Did you go to public or private school? Either way, someone else paid to educate you. Republicans like to believe they were born in the log cabin they built with their own two hands.

You don't understand the difference between money you earn and money the government takes from someone else and gives to you?

We knew you didn't.

I understand. I also make good money and don’t mind paying taxes if it goes to things that benefit society. Not pentagon spending.

how much more did you pay beyond your required amount??

If I could I would cheat and not pay any taxes. Unfortunately only rich guys like trump can get away with that.

that doesnt answer my question,,
you said you have no problem paying more,, so how much more did you pay beyond what youre required to pay??

and so you know trump paid 4 million beyond what he owed,,, along with donating his salary back to the government,,

Bad argument. It’s like asking al gore why he has five homes. I can’t solve the debt problem alone. Every rich person has to pay their fair share. And we need to cut pentagon spending in half.

That is a good question for Algore. Why do all you hypocrites who believe it's evil to keep your own money never pay a dime more than Uncle Sam demands? "Their fair share" is zero, and so is mine. You want to pay more, so what's stopping you?

Because unless we make all rich people pay higher taxes, none will.

Then maybe they’ll start questioning all that military spending we do.

And who does the military work for? They protect corporations so they can safely sell their products around the globe. So corporations who sell internationally should pay more in taxes to pay for all the money we piss away through the pentagon.

Please spare us your SJW horseshit. You're totally brainwashed.

 

[bripat9643]

poor boy

I will never understand poor people that support the Republicans.

Because they want a job, not welfare.

 

[progressive hunter]

poor boy

I will never understand poor people that support the Republicans.

thats because the poor people you know like to stay poor and have government provide for them,,,

 

[Anomalism]

No, it really wouldn't be. Take a look at any of the countries held up as "shining lights that we must immediately emulate" on the subject of universal healthcare. Can you find one with lower tax rates?

Even aside from that, there's one very important word that you don't seem to understand: VOLUNTARY. Right now, what I do and don't pay for my healthcare, and who I pay it to, is MY choice. I decide who to pay, how much to pay, and what to pay it for, and the only reason I lack as much choice and control on the subject as I currently do is because of government busybody interference. What you are suggesting is that I should surrender all of my control and my choice on this subject to the government in the hopes that - for the first time in the history of humanity - government will somehow manage to be more cost-efficient than the private sector.

I have seen what the government provides in the way of healthcare when they're put in charge. I'm not interested in trading out my current healthcare for that, and I'm definitely not interested in funding the the massive, wasteful, bureaucratic nightmare that is government control of anything.

I'm pretty sure public approval of healthcare is way higher in every country on Earth that has implemented universal healthcare.