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Why is the OP so concerned about a 37 year old woman taking time off to have a baby?
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They also get a pension worth several million dollars
Poor Frank, he is so green with envy, he simply cannot contain his emotions. He fails to understand, having a great pension is the product of personal responsibility - that is, planning ahead.
Private pensions are personal responsibility; federal pensions, not so much
WTF? Check your grammar skills. You make no sense.A Federal Civil Service woman who gives birth with 15 years service gets 26 days a year Annual leave, 13 days sick leave, 60 days off for the birth of a child and 10 Holidays. That is 109 days off with pay, or almost 22 weeks out the year. I need a job where I get every weekend off and only have to work 30 weeks a year for a years pay. Since I am a man, I could get the 12 weeks off to take care of a sick relative since I can't have a baby.
WRONG QUESTION.
The question should have been "how many weeks do taxpayers and producers must work to financially support Federal Civil Service Employees?
How many weeks do federal employees work a year?
For an employee with over 15 years experience
26 pay periods of 10 days= 260 days
Take away 26 vacation days, 10 holiday= 224 days
Works out to 224 days or 45 weeks
How many weeks do federal employees work a year?
For an employee with over 15 years experience
26 pay periods of 10 days= 260 days
Take away 26 vacation days, 10 holiday= 224 days
Works out to 224 days or 45 weeks
Don't forget telework, where you get to sit at home and get paid.
How many weeks do federal employees work a year?
For an employee with over 15 years experience
26 pay periods of 10 days= 260 days
Take away 26 vacation days, 10 holiday= 224 days
Works out to 224 days or 45 weeks
Don't forget telework, where you get to sit at home and get paid.
That is just poor supervision
Where I am, there are very strict rules for telework and most positions do not qualify.
I too worked - briefly - in HR at a LE Agency. One major problem, supervisors who did not supervise. As a manager I made sure they did, and by supervising them, they learned supervision is an art, mostly carrot, but a bit of stick never hurt.
AG05 didn't mention FMLA, which is leave but unpaid.
All staff's sick leave was rolled over, and at retirement 240 hours would be applied to time in service if that much had been saved. Anymore would be lost.
Retirement was determined by years of service, times a factor of 3 (30 years x 3 = 90); so a person who worked 30 years would receive 90% of their final annual salary. If they didn't abuse their sick leave the factor would have been 30.50 x 3 to = 91.50% of their final year of compensation (the 3% reflects safety retirement, most civil service employees have a factor of 2 or 2.5 percent).
Hence, those who planned ahead understood the benefits of working in a defined benefit system. To bad CrusaderFrank wasn't smart enough and not is green with envy.
I too worked - briefly - in HR at a LE Agency. One major problem, supervisors who did not supervise. As a manager I made sure they did, and by supervising them, they learned supervision is an art, mostly carrot, but a bit of stick never hurt.
AG05 didn't mention FMLA, which is leave but unpaid.
All staff's sick leave was rolled over, and at retirement 240 hours would be applied to time in service if that much had been saved. Anymore would be lost.
Retirement was determined by years of service, times a factor of 3 (30 years x 3 = 90); so a person who worked 30 years would receive 90% of their final annual salary. If they didn't abuse their sick leave the factor would have been 30.50 x 3 to = 91.50% of their final year of compensation (the 3% reflects safety retirement, most civil service employees have a factor of 2 or 2.5 percent).
Hence, those who planned ahead understood the benefits of working in a defined benefit system. To bad CrusaderFrank wasn't smart enough and not is green with envy.
Under the Civil Service Retirement System, all unused sick leave was credited toward service. However, under the current Federal Employees Retirement System, no sick leave credit is given at retirement.
Your pensions were extremely generous. FERS has a Social Security component. CSRS does not. A CSRS employee may retire at age 55 if they have 30 years of service. That gives them a 56% pension. The pension increases 2% per year with each year of service.
FERS employees get 1% per year for each year of service. FERS get a match to their thrift plan. CSRS employees can contribute to the thrift plan but get no match.
Federal law enforcement pensions are more generous because they can retire with 20 years of service and have a forced mandatory age limit.
I am very happy I made the choice to have a Federal career because I have a wonderful retirement. I didn't choose a Federal career for the retirement benefits but now I am ecstatic.
Of course, I did have to eat a lot of shit.
I too worked - briefly - in HR at a LE Agency. One major problem, supervisors who did not supervise. As a manager I made sure they did, and by supervising them, they learned supervision is an art, mostly carrot, but a bit of stick never hurt.
AG05 didn't mention FMLA, which is leave but unpaid.
All staff's sick leave was rolled over, and at retirement 240 hours would be applied to time in service if that much had been saved. Anymore would be lost.
Retirement was determined by years of service, times a factor of 3 (30 years x 3 = 90); so a person who worked 30 years would receive 90% of their final annual salary. If they didn't abuse their sick leave the factor would have been 30.50 x 3 to = 91.50% of their final year of compensation (the 3% reflects safety retirement, most civil service employees have a factor of 2 or 2.5 percent).
Hence, those who planned ahead understood the benefits of working in a defined benefit system. To bad CrusaderFrank wasn't smart enough and not is green with envy.
Under the Civil Service Retirement System, all unused sick leave was credited toward service. However, under the current Federal Employees Retirement System, no sick leave credit is given at retirement.
Your pensions were extremely generous. FERS has a Social Security component. CSRS does not. A CSRS employee may retire at age 55 if they have 30 years of service. That gives them a 56% pension. The pension increases 2% per year with each year of service.
FERS employees get 1% per year for each year of service. FERS get a match to their thrift plan. CSRS employees can contribute to the thrift plan but get no match.
Federal law enforcement pensions are more generous because they can retire with 20 years of service and have a forced mandatory age limit.
I am very happy I made the choice to have a Federal career because I have a wonderful retirement. I didn't choose a Federal career for the retirement benefits but now I am ecstatic.
Of course, I did have to eat a lot of shit.
What I described is no longer the rule for new hires, and some changes were in the wind for those who expected what I received, thus a number left early and the brain drain commenced.
A Federal Civil Service woman who gives birth with 15 years service gets 26 days a year Annual leave, 13 days sick leave, 60 days off for the birth of a child and 10 Holidays. That is 109 days off with pay, or almost 22 weeks out the year. I need a job where I get every weekend off and only have to work 30 weeks a year for a years pay. Since I am a man, I could get the 12 weeks off to take care of a sick relative since I can't have a baby.
So much fail in this post so let's start at the beginning.
"A Federal Civil Service woman who gives birth with 15 years service gets 26 days a year Annual leave, 13 days sick leave, 60 days off for the birth of a child and 10 Holidays."
As another poster stated, you don't get both sick leave and maternity leave. The 13 days roll into the maternity leave.
And let's rationally think about this. If a women has been with the Federal Government for 15 years, they have likely passed the prime years for child birth. Many jobs with the federal government require or prefer bachelor degrees. So let's assume a woman graduates at the age of 22 and immediately starts working for the federal government (which is extremely rare). She would be 37 after 15 years of service. How many 37 year old women are starting to have kids? Not many.
"I need a job where I get every weekend off and only have to work 30 weeks a year for a years pay. "
Then collectively bargain for it. This is the most annoying thing about people. Instead of people saying "Wow, those are great benefits, we should all have those benefits" they say "I don't have those great benefits, they shouldn't either!" It's class warfare but it's a Civil War within the dying middle class that is perpetuating the "Race to the Bottom" that the rich want.
"Since I am a man, I could get the 12 weeks off to take care of a sick relative since I can't have a baby."
Most places (including the federal government) have paternity leave.
I too worked - briefly - in HR at a LE Agency. One major problem, supervisors who did not supervise. As a manager I made sure they did, and by supervising them, they learned supervision is an art, mostly carrot, but a bit of stick never hurt.
AG05 didn't mention FMLA, which is leave but unpaid.
All staff's sick leave was rolled over, and at retirement 240 hours would be applied to time in service if that much had been saved. Anymore would be lost.
Retirement was determined by years of service, times a factor of 3 (30 years x 3 = 90); so a person who worked 30 years would receive 90% of their final annual salary. If they didn't abuse their sick leave the factor would have been 30.50 x 3 to = 91.50% of their final year of compensation (the 3% reflects safety retirement, most civil service employees have a factor of 2 or 2.5 percent).
Hence, those who planned ahead understood the benefits of working in a defined benefit system. To bad CrusaderFrank wasn't smart enough and not is green with envy.
Under the Civil Service Retirement System, all unused sick leave was credited toward service. However, under the current Federal Employees Retirement System, no sick leave credit is given at retirement.
Your pensions were extremely generous. FERS has a Social Security component. CSRS does not. A CSRS employee may retire at age 55 if they have 30 years of service. That gives them a 56% pension. The pension increases 2% per year with each year of service.
FERS employees get 1% per year for each year of service. FERS get a match to their thrift plan. CSRS employees can contribute to the thrift plan but get no match.
Federal law enforcement pensions are more generous because they can retire with 20 years of service and have a forced mandatory age limit.
I am very happy I made the choice to have a Federal career because I have a wonderful retirement. I didn't choose a Federal career for the retirement benefits but now I am ecstatic.
Of course, I did have to eat a lot of shit.
I am seeing better quality employees than at any time in my career. At one time we had to beg people to work for the government. They laughed at the salary and didn't consider the retirement system or job security to be such a big dealI too worked - briefly - in HR at a LE Agency. One major problem, supervisors who did not supervise. As a manager I made sure they did, and by supervising them, they learned supervision is an art, mostly carrot, but a bit of stick never hurt.
AG05 didn't mention FMLA, which is leave but unpaid.
All staff's sick leave was rolled over, and at retirement 240 hours would be applied to time in service if that much had been saved. Anymore would be lost.
Retirement was determined by years of service, times a factor of 3 (30 years x 3 = 90); so a person who worked 30 years would receive 90% of their final annual salary. If they didn't abuse their sick leave the factor would have been 30.50 x 3 to = 91.50% of their final year of compensation (the 3% reflects safety retirement, most civil service employees have a factor of 2 or 2.5 percent).
Hence, those who planned ahead understood the benefits of working in a defined benefit system. To bad CrusaderFrank wasn't smart enough and not is green with envy.
Under the Civil Service Retirement System, all unused sick leave was credited toward service. However, under the current Federal Employees Retirement System, no sick leave credit is given at retirement.
Your pensions were extremely generous. FERS has a Social Security component. CSRS does not. A CSRS employee may retire at age 55 if they have 30 years of service. That gives them a 56% pension. The pension increases 2% per year with each year of service.
FERS employees get 1% per year for each year of service. FERS get a match to their thrift plan. CSRS employees can contribute to the thrift plan but get no match.
Federal law enforcement pensions are more generous because they can retire with 20 years of service and have a forced mandatory age limit.
I am very happy I made the choice to have a Federal career because I have a wonderful retirement. I didn't choose a Federal career for the retirement benefits but now I am ecstatic.
Of course, I did have to eat a lot of shit.
What I described is no longer the rule for new hires, and some changes were in the wind for those who expected what I received, thus a number left early and the brain drain commenced.
The Feds are experiencing an enormous brain drain. All of us oldies retired. Some because it was time, and others because the management and political leadership just suck. With the pay freeze, you made more retired. You at least got your cost of living.
It is a disaster but they won't admit it. Couple that with the fact that the Obama Administration has screwed up the recruitment and entry level hiring authorities and basically you get bad choices if you are even able to replace someone.
A Federal Civil Service woman who gives birth with 15 years service gets 26 days a year Annual leave, 13 days sick leave, 60 days off for the birth of a child and 10 Holidays. That is 109 days off with pay, or almost 22 weeks out the year. I need a job where I get every weekend off and only have to work 30 weeks a year for a years pay. Since I am a man, I could get the 12 weeks off to take care of a sick relative since I can't have a baby.
So much fail in this post so let's start at the beginning.
"A Federal Civil Service woman who gives birth with 15 years service gets 26 days a year Annual leave, 13 days sick leave, 60 days off for the birth of a child and 10 Holidays."
As another poster stated, you don't get both sick leave and maternity leave. The 13 days roll into the maternity leave.
And let's rationally think about this. If a women has been with the Federal Government for 15 years, they have likely passed the prime years for child birth. Many jobs with the federal government require or prefer bachelor degrees. So let's assume a woman graduates at the age of 22 and immediately starts working for the federal government (which is extremely rare). She would be 37 after 15 years of service. How many 37 year old women are starting to have kids? Not many.
"I need a job where I get every weekend off and only have to work 30 weeks a year for a years pay. "
Then collectively bargain for it. This is the most annoying thing about people. Instead of people saying "Wow, those are great benefits, we should all have those benefits" they say "I don't have those great benefits, they shouldn't either!" It's class warfare but it's a Civil War within the dying middle class that is perpetuating the "Race to the Bottom" that the rich want.
"Since I am a man, I could get the 12 weeks off to take care of a sick relative since I can't have a baby."
Most places (including the federal government) have paternity leave.
No place I know of give 12 weeks of paternity leave. 6 weeks, tops, and usually at reduced pay. If a 37 year old woman doesn't give birth, she still can get 12 paid weeks to take care of a sick relative, so that blows that argument.
I am salaried and don't belong to a Union, and wouldn't if I could. I have to work a certain number of days and pay taxes so Civil Service employees can get 20 weeks a year off with full pay. What really amuses me is the term used when there is a government shutdown or a snow alert. Non-Essential government employees get to stay at home with pay. If they are non-essential, why are they even employed.
I consider civil service employees overpaid part time employees with full time pay and benefits.
In case you are interested, I was one for three years and walked away from it in disgust.
A Federal Civil Service woman who gives birth with 15 years service gets 26 days a year Annual leave, 13 days sick leave, 60 days off for the birth of a child and 10 Holidays. That is 109 days off with pay, or almost 22 weeks out the year. I need a job where I get every weekend off and only have to work 30 weeks a year for a years pay. Since I am a man, I could get the 12 weeks off to take care of a sick relative since I can't have a baby.
So much fail in this post so let's start at the beginning.
"A Federal Civil Service woman who gives birth with 15 years service gets 26 days a year Annual leave, 13 days sick leave, 60 days off for the birth of a child and 10 Holidays."
As another poster stated, you don't get both sick leave and maternity leave. The 13 days roll into the maternity leave.
And let's rationally think about this. If a women has been with the Federal Government for 15 years, they have likely passed the prime years for child birth. Many jobs with the federal government require or prefer bachelor degrees. So let's assume a woman graduates at the age of 22 and immediately starts working for the federal government (which is extremely rare). She would be 37 after 15 years of service. How many 37 year old women are starting to have kids? Not many.
"I need a job where I get every weekend off and only have to work 30 weeks a year for a years pay. "
Then collectively bargain for it. This is the most annoying thing about people. Instead of people saying "Wow, those are great benefits, we should all have those benefits" they say "I don't have those great benefits, they shouldn't either!" It's class warfare but it's a Civil War within the dying middle class that is perpetuating the "Race to the Bottom" that the rich want.
"Since I am a man, I could get the 12 weeks off to take care of a sick relative since I can't have a baby."
Most places (including the federal government) have paternity leave.
No place I know of give 12 weeks of paternity leave. 6 weeks, tops, and usually at reduced pay. If a 37 year old woman doesn't give birth, she still can get 12 paid weeks to take care of a sick relative, so that blows that argument.
I am salaried and don't belong to a Union, and wouldn't if I could. I have to work a certain number of days and pay taxes so Civil Service employees can get 20 weeks a year off with full pay. What really amuses me is the term used when there is a government shutdown or a snow alert. Non-Essential government employees get to stay at home with pay. If they are non-essential, why are they even employed.
I consider civil service employees overpaid part time employees with full time pay and benefits.
In case you are interested, I was one for three years and walked away from it in disgust.
More lies....no Civil Servant gets 20 weeks off a year with full pay
You are just making shit up now
I just gotta see a link on that oneA Federal Civil Service woman who gives birth with 15 years service gets 26 days a year Annual leave, 13 days sick leave, 60 days off for the birth of a child and 10 Holidays. That is 109 days off with pay, or almost 22 weeks out the year. I need a job where I get every weekend off and only have to work 30 weeks a year for a years pay. Since I am a man, I could get the 12 weeks off to take care of a sick relative since I can't have a baby.
So much fail in this post so let's start at the beginning.
"A Federal Civil Service woman who gives birth with 15 years service gets 26 days a year Annual leave, 13 days sick leave, 60 days off for the birth of a child and 10 Holidays."
As another poster stated, you don't get both sick leave and maternity leave. The 13 days roll into the maternity leave.
And let's rationally think about this. If a women has been with the Federal Government for 15 years, they have likely passed the prime years for child birth. Many jobs with the federal government require or prefer bachelor degrees. So let's assume a woman graduates at the age of 22 and immediately starts working for the federal government (which is extremely rare). She would be 37 after 15 years of service. How many 37 year old women are starting to have kids? Not many.
"I need a job where I get every weekend off and only have to work 30 weeks a year for a years pay. "
Then collectively bargain for it. This is the most annoying thing about people. Instead of people saying "Wow, those are great benefits, we should all have those benefits" they say "I don't have those great benefits, they shouldn't either!" It's class warfare but it's a Civil War within the dying middle class that is perpetuating the "Race to the Bottom" that the rich want.
"Since I am a man, I could get the 12 weeks off to take care of a sick relative since I can't have a baby."
Most places (including the federal government) have paternity leave.
No place I know of give 12 weeks of paternity leave. 6 weeks, tops, and usually at reduced pay. If a 37 year old woman doesn't give birth, she still can get 12 paid weeks to take care of a sick relative, so that blows that argument.
I am salaried and don't belong to a Union, and wouldn't if I could. I have to work a certain number of days and pay taxes so Civil Service employees can get 20 weeks a year off with full pay. What really amuses me is the term used when there is a government shutdown or a snow alert. Non-Essential government employees get to stay at home with pay. If they are non-essential, why are they even employed.
I consider civil service employees overpaid part time employees with full time pay and benefits.
In case you are interested, I was one for three years and walked away from it in disgust.
More lies....no Civil Servant gets 20 weeks off a year with full pay
You are just making shit up now
At 30 years I received 7 weeks vacation + 60 hours of management time + one conference a year. AFTER 30 years.
A Federal Civil Service woman who gives birth with 15 years service gets 26 days a year Annual leave, 13 days sick leave, 60 days off for the birth of a child and 10 Holidays. That is 109 days off with pay, or almost 22 weeks out the year. I need a job where I get every weekend off and only have to work 30 weeks a year for a years pay. Since I am a man, I could get the 12 weeks off to take care of a sick relative since I can't have a baby.