How Many Towns In California Have to Burn to The Ground Before Voters There Wake The Hell Up?

[Flash]

Electing Democrats is always a disaster.

It doesn't matter if is Detroit, Chicago, New York or the state of California. It always leads to failure.

I see you completely glossed over the fact that Nixon allowed the Japs to product dump which began the fall of US manufacturing.

Then Raygun put us in the world economy buttfucking the American Worker.

Then daddy bush signed the worker visa program which cost millions of Working Americans jobs.

Now tRump wants to make these foreign ***** American citizens.

Reality sucks if you're a Republican.

You skipped the damage done by that arrogant asshole JFK, that filthy shithead LBJ, that incompetent piece of shit Carter, that sleazy lying asshole Slick Willy and the worst President ever, Obama.

It was the filthy Democrats that fucked up Detroit, New York, Chicago, Baltimore and the whole ******* state of California. Obama tried to **** up all of the US and would have if it hadn't been for the Republican House and Senate.

I presented Republicans and what they did, you speak lies.

Only lies in the world of a Moon Bat.

 

[charwin95]

You do know that your link is just an opinion like no other dude here that hate Ca. Coming up with lots of BS.

Yes they cut trees all the time. From San Diego to Santa Barbara to San Francisco. Other subcontractors are cutting trees year round.

You do know that we have also high winds here in Ca. If we don’t then we should have more fires than Santa Ana winds.

Rrrriiiiggggghhhhhttttt!

California Logging Regulations[edit]
In California, as of 1999, 45% of the producing forest land is owned by private individuals and companies. [2] However to harvest this lumber the owners must have a detailed management plan prepared, which is then reviewed by the state. Often times due to the many regulations for logging in California, the costs to harvest timber on a property are greater than the gain. With the balancing act loggers face to abide by state regulation and turning a profit, wood supply is often imported into California.

The authors of a study on private forestland management at Cal Poly State University-San Luis Obispo say "California forestlands are some of the most legally protected privately owned forests in the world. Multiple layers of federal, state, county and local regulations ensure that timber will be managed in a sustainable manner," but they go on to say that this can lead to micro-managing that may not be good for the forest.[3] Companies, organizations and individuals continue to fight to either tighten or loosen the regulations.

Wroooonng. Since I know that you are a liar...... Did you create this your self? Where did this came from?

Even that read what you just posted if you really understand what you are talking about.

 

[Flash]

Electing Democrats is always a disaster.

It doesn't matter if is Detroit, Chicago, New York or the state of California. It always leads to failure.

It is the inevitable result of ward politics + third world immigration

The Democrat Party is the party of greed.

The greed in California from allowing the third world to export poverty is what has led to California being first in poverty, having the worst schools, the most homeless and the most debt. Typical failure of the Left. We see it everywhere.

Those stupid Democrats can't even manage electrical power very well.


***The idiots mandated that the power companies build worthless and expensive green energy facilities and that dried up the money to fix the power grid infrastructure.

Stupid Democrats.

Let me see if you know what you are talking about.

Are you saying Republicans are not as greedy as Democrats? Look at Trump even paid $25 millions to settle Trump university because of greediness. So you are wrong.

*** Explain why do you think this is worthless when the whole world is turning to green and reusable energy?
Since you are very ignorant the power
Companies and the green energy are totally separate systems and management of financial sources.



California worst school. Not eeeeven close. Rated at #35. So you are wrong.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1079181001

Most debt? We donate about $662 billions of federal tax every year.


Homelessness. Don’t worry Florida homelessness will catch up someday.

As of January 2018, Florida had an estimated 31,030 experiencing homelessness on any given day, as reported by Continuums of Care to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). Of that Total, 2,757 were family households, 2,543 were Veterans, 1,892 were unaccompanied young adults (aged 18-24), and 5,302 were individuals experiencing chronic homelessness.

Public school data reported to the U.S. Department of Education during the 2016-2017 school year shows that an estimated 72,042 public school students experienced homelessness over the course of the year. Of that total, 2,001 students were unsheltered, 8,346 were in shelters, 8,113 were inhotels/motels, and 53,582 were doubled up.


Homelessness Numbers Up Throughout North Central Florida – WUFT News

I am not a Republican so you can take your demented partisan hate and cram it.

Republicans are nothing more than Democrat Light. Both parties are parties of big government. The only difference is the degree and for the most part that difference is minimal.

The Reublicans are always better than Democrats (we all know that) but being better isn't much seeing what a low bar the filthy Democrats set.

The filthy Democrats promise bad government and always deliver bad government.

The Republicans promise good government but usually deliver just about the same bad government that we would have got had the filthy Democrat won.

 

[charwin95]

You do know that your link is just an opinion like no other dude here that hate Ca. Coming up with lots of BS.

Yes they cut trees all the time. From San Diego to Santa Barbara to San Francisco. Other subcontractors are cutting trees year round.

You do know that we have also high winds here in Ca. If we don’t then we should have more fires than Santa Ana winds.

Rrrriiiiggggghhhhhttttt!

California Logging Regulations[edit]
In California, as of 1999, 45% of the producing forest land is owned by private individuals and companies. [2] However to harvest this lumber the owners must have a detailed management plan prepared, which is then reviewed by the state. Often times due to the many regulations for logging in California, the costs to harvest timber on a property are greater than the gain. With the balancing act loggers face to abide by state regulation and turning a profit, wood supply is often imported into California.

The authors of a study on private forestland management at Cal Poly State University-San Luis Obispo say "California forestlands are some of the most legally protected privately owned forests in the world. Multiple layers of federal, state, county and local regulations ensure that timber will be managed in a sustainable manner," but they go on to say that this can lead to micro-managing that may not be good for the forest.[3] Companies, organizations and individuals continue to fight to either tighten or loosen the regulations.

You are an idiot and dumb. That is not even comes close to what I was talking about.

Clearing trees to avoid power lines and surroundings to avoid fires has nothing to do with the forest and logging.
But we do logging all the time year round in Ca.

 

[charwin95]

Electing Democrats is always a disaster.

It doesn't matter if is Detroit, Chicago, New York or the state of California. It always leads to failure.

It is the inevitable result of ward politics + third world immigration

The Democrat Party is the party of greed.

The greed in California from allowing the third world to export poverty is what has led to California being first in poverty, having the worst schools, the most homeless and the most debt. Typical failure of the Left. We see it everywhere.

Those stupid Democrats can't even manage electrical power very well.


***The idiots mandated that the power companies build worthless and expensive green energy facilities and that dried up the money to fix the power grid infrastructure.

Stupid Democrats.

Let me see if you know what you are talking about.

Are you saying Republicans are not as greedy as Democrats? Look at Trump even paid $25 millions to settle Trump university because of greediness. So you are wrong.

*** Explain why do you think this is worthless when the whole world is turning to green and reusable energy?
Since you are very ignorant the power
Companies and the green energy are totally separate systems and management of financial sources.



California worst school. Not eeeeven close. Rated at #35. So you are wrong.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1079181001

Most debt? We donate about $662 billions of federal tax every year.


Homelessness. Don’t worry Florida homelessness will catch up someday.

As of January 2018, Florida had an estimated 31,030 experiencing homelessness on any given day, as reported by Continuums of Care to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). Of that Total, 2,757 were family households, 2,543 were Veterans, 1,892 were unaccompanied young adults (aged 18-24), and 5,302 were individuals experiencing chronic homelessness.

Public school data reported to the U.S. Department of Education during the 2016-2017 school year shows that an estimated 72,042 public school students experienced homelessness over the course of the year. Of that total, 2,001 students were unsheltered, 8,346 were in shelters, 8,113 were inhotels/motels, and 53,582 were doubled up.


Homelessness Numbers Up Throughout North Central Florida – WUFT News

I am not a Republican so you can take your demented partisan hate and cram it.

Republicans are nothing more than Democrat Light. Both parties are parties of big government. The only difference is the degree and for the most part that difference is minimal.

The Reublicans are always better than Democrats (we all know that) but being better isn't much seeing what a low bar the filthy Democrats set.

The filthy Democrats promise bad government and always deliver bad government.

The Republicans promise good government but usually deliver just about the same bad government that we would have got had the filthy Democrat won.

It doesn’t matter and I don’t care where the hell you belong.

For sure you don’t know what you are talking about. You are very ignorant. I asked you several questions and you came back with your nonsense bullshit hatred.

 

[Flash]

 

[bodecea]

PGE was directly responsible for the Camp/Paradise fire almost exactly a year ago exactly because they didn't do their due diligent maintenance. A transmission tower that was sixty-eight years old started it. That tower was already there when we were BORN.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your drool, ya knuckledragging retard.

Don't you love how on one hand they cry and whine about "socialist" California and on the other hand they cry and whine about a big profit-making corporation?

I love the irony of how they drool on and on and on and on and on about how "climate change is a scam waaaah" and then as soon as the climate changes they're all like "the Libs did this".

It's gotta be frickin' lead in the water.

#Itsacult. Their orange god stays something incredibly stupid...something so stupid that any semi-intelligent adult would recognize it as stupid.....and all the cultists swallow it ans take it as canon.

As long as Calif. keeps voting for the far left socialist's, your State will continue to decline as money is spread to thin and none have good basic services.
Vote for people who will take care of it's citizens first before taking care of other citizens who refuse to come in the right way.

Why do red staters feel so aggrieved all the time about California? Bless your delicate fragile hearts! Nobody is forcing you to live here. Honestly, most of us don't want your kind here anyway.

Why do you carry on with your hand wringing so much? We are fine. We have natural disasters here, no different than anyplace else.

In my part of the state, we have a great relationship with our FRIENDS and NEIGHBORS Tijuana. If you do not live in California, you are not my neighbor and if you are a Trump nutter you certainly are not my friend. I will not be taking your advice

Stay in your basement where you can be safe! Clean your guns and wait for the hordes!

well said

 

[bodecea]

In high risk areas, "California law requires that homeowners in SRA clear out flammable materials such as brush or vegetation around their buildings to 100 feet (or the property line) to create a defensible space buffer. "

Secondly, it's 12% humidity in L.A. right now. Even in NorCal, we haven't had any rain to speak of since June, the floors of the forest are dry af, the days are hot, and it's hecka windy. I saw someone post about how they don't have fires in Michigan where it rains all summer and it's basically a cold-ass swamp, because they do forest management. Lol

In addition, the sun does not shine in Michigan.

That's enough of your asinine posts.
Permanent Ignore.

#triggered by truth

 

[charwin95]

Electing Democrats is always a disaster.

It doesn't matter if is Detroit, Chicago, New York or the state of California. It always leads to failure.

It is the inevitable result of ward politics + third world immigration

The Democrat Party is the party of greed.

The greed in California from allowing the third world to export poverty is what has led to California being first in poverty, having the worst schools, the most homeless and the most debt. Typical failure of the Left. We see it everywhere.

Those stupid Democrats can't even manage electrical power very well. The idiots mandated that the power companies build worthless and expensive green energy facilities and that dried up the money to fix the power grid infrastructure.

Stupid Democrats.

It just pathetic that people like you who don’t even live here can make that comments. At the same time you don’t even know or understand what you are talking about.

Next time do your research before you bullshit.

 

[bodecea]

California has had wildfires every year forever. The only difference is the introduction of people with no brains who have somehow managed to turn it into Democrats' fault. They have had wildfires when Republicans were in charge, as well. The Santa Anna winds cause wildfires.

The wind causes wildfires.

Republicans have never been in charge in California.

Tight EPA controls that won't allow the Forest Service,
PG&E and other utilities to cut down forest around power lines,


It IS the Democrats fault.

Prove me wrong.

So...Reagan, Deukmajian, and Schwartzenagger were never Governors of California?

were they in charge?....arnold certainly wasnt.....

Oh...that's right....republicans are powerless even when they hold office(s).

 

[bodecea]

I mean raking of course.
You gotta take care of the floors. You know the floors of the forest, very important.

Rake the forest floor the way a builder like Trump does it, like this?



or the Democrat way, like this?

I love how orange cultists can't even see the obvious taunting that the FInns are doing over fat donnie's stupid comments.

Obviously idiots like you only think his comments about raking the forest floor are stupid because they go way over your head.

You would rather think that Trump is stupid than admit to yourself that he is much wiser than you.

What a perfect example of you being so well groomed that you accept fat donnie's stupid comments as canon.

Canon? No. Just common sense.


You don't see the woodlands at Trump's golf resorts burning do you?

 

[Weatherman2020]

It just hit me like a ton of rocks as I watched all the fires in California, how long before people there realize that their government is failing at its job?

Their power providers are expert at identifying how many LGBTQXREYZ they have on their payroll, but cannot manage to update and maintain their power grid? WTF?

They have people shitting in the middle of the streets, open gang warfare that their state government and city government protects with sanctuary laws, and they are seeing a return of diseases we have not seen since the Middle ages like Bubonic Plague!

OMG, how bad does it have to get before people start to vote the bastards out?

Instead, they keep voting for Dimocrats that make the problems worse and worse till they give up and move to another state and then start voting Dimocrat there too.

How many states have to be ruined before we all finally decide to ban the Dimocratic Party ion the interest of national security?

I do think the USA can survive a nuclear war, but I dont think it can survive another 20 years of Dimocratic stupidity.

Every fire, every blackout creates more and more Republicans.
Keep em coming.

 

[Markle]

You don’t even live here to make such erroneous opinions.

1. Prove it. Or you are lying again.

2. We do control burns. Prove that we don’t. We still do logging and thin forests.

Did you even watch how devastating the Santa Ana winds and where it started and hit the most? Does it looks like where the logging areas or the thinning?

Why California's Best Strategy Against Wildfire Is Hardly Ever Used
Molly Peterson
Jul 16, 2018
[...]
But experts say it’s possible to avoid catastrophic harm to human and forest health by setting planned burns before human error, lightning or arson choose when fires start.
[...]
Even when the permit is done and the weather is right and crews are available, the air might already be too polluted to add more smoke to the mix. Air regulators grant permission for burn days, and it’s hard to get: regional atmospheric conditions mean that smoke from Sierra Nevada forests funnels toward the central valley, where air pollution is consistently bad.
[...]
Why California's Best Strategy Against Wildfire Is Hardly Ever Used

###

Nov 16, 2018, 12:06am
California's Deadliest Fires Could Have Been Mitigated By Prevention
Chuck DeVore Contributor

At least 63 people have been killed with 631 reported missing in the California fires as thousands of firefighters, including 200 sent from Texas as well as other states, battle to contain the blazes. More than 7,000 structures have been destroyed, including up to 90 percent of the homes in Paradise, population 26,682, in Northern California’s Butte County. More than a quarter of a million people have been evacuated in both the north of the state by the Camp Fire and by other fires in Southern California, Hill and Woolsey.
[...]
When deadly fires were burning last August, Mike Marcucci, the assistant chief of CAL FIRE, California’s main firefighting agency, noted in an interview with the CBS affiliate in San Francisco that, “It’s a daunting task that we’re working with some of our cooperators (i.e. federal and local authorities) to make sure we can get some of those trees out of the way to not add to some of the fuel.” CAL FIRE experts expanded on the problem by blaming decades of policy that discouraged controlled burns to reduce the fuel load in the now-burning forests in the north and hillsides in the south, creating tinderbox conditions.
[...]
Some of the needed prescribed burns in Southern California’s coastal chaparral and grasslands have been deterred by environmental lawsuits and air quality concerns.

The federal government controls 46 percent of California’s land, much of it managed by the U.S. Forest Service. In the three decades before 1990, foresters harvested 10-12 billion board feet of timber from national forests every year. By 2013, restrictive environmental policies cut that to 2.5 billion. While the harvest declined, so too did tree thinning and the clearing of brush and diseased trees. The Trump administration is reversing that trend with the biggest harvest of trees on federal land in 20 years, selling 3.4 billion board feet on some 3 million acres—still just a third of the typical pre-1990 harvest.
[...]
California's Deadliest Fires Could Have Been Mitigated By Prevention

More? As you know, there are dozens of other articles and reliable sources pinpointing the neglect and mismanagement of California forests.

 

[bodecea]

California has had wildfires every year forever. The only difference is the introduction of people with no brains who have somehow managed to turn it into Democrats' fault. They have had wildfires when Republicans were in charge, as well. The Santa Anna winds cause wildfires.

That is like saying 'People get killed every year for the last million years, so whats the big deal about the Holocaust?'

Pretty much a rightwing take on things.

 

[charwin95]

Who?

 

[bodecea]

California has had wildfires every year forever. The only difference is the introduction of people with no brains who have somehow managed to turn it into Democrats' fault. They have had wildfires when Republicans were in charge, as well. The Santa Anna winds cause wildfires.

That is like saying 'People get killed every year for the last million years, so whats the big deal about the Holocaust?'

The " Big deal' with the Holy-hoax is it's the only event in history (theirstory)heard about on a daily basis.
Sorry about the anti-arab slur.

See....rightwing talk

 

[bodecea]

California has had wildfires every year forever. The only difference is the introduction of people with no brains who have somehow managed to turn it into Democrats' fault. They have had wildfires when Republicans were in charge, as well. The Santa Anna winds cause wildfires.

The wind causes wildfires.

Republicans have never been in charge in California.

Tight EPA controls that won't allow the Forest Service,
PG&E and other utilities to cut down forest around power lines,


It IS the Democrats fault.

Prove me wrong.

From Wiki:
California was a Republican stronghold in presidential elections from 1952 until 1992. During this period, the Republicans won California in every election except the election of 1964.

I also seem to remember some guy named Reagan being governor?

We have the same EPA as California, don't we? Aren't they federal? Our power lines all have "haircuts" that keep their paths bald as a baby.

This shows the location of wildfires since 1950. This is a common tragedy in California.
Maps | Data Basin

And it was Reagan, with the help of the NRA that passed the Mulford Act which eliminated open carry in California.

 

[bodecea]

It just hit me like a ton of rocks as I watched all the fires in California, how long before people there realize that their government is failing at its job?

Their power providers are expert at identifying how many LGBTQXREYZ they have on their payroll, but cannot manage to update and maintain their power grid? WTF?

They have people shitting in the middle of the streets, open gang warfare that their state government and city government protects with sanctuary laws, and they are seeing a return of diseases we have not seen since the Middle ages like Bubonic Plague!

OMG, how bad does it have to get before people start to vote the bastards out?

Instead, they keep voting for Dimocrats that make the problems worse and worse till they give up and move to another state and then start voting Dimocrat there too.

How many states have to be ruined before we all finally decide to ban the Dimocratic Party ion the interest of national security?

I do think the USA can survive a nuclear war, but I dont think it can survive another 20 years of Dimocratic stupidity.

Sounds like you never lived in the Silicon Valley, Pleasanton, gorgeous place.
Dimocrats??
Stupid zero college insult.
Read no more

SoCal, my district, the 50th, likes to elect republican crooks....Duke Cunningham....Duncan Hunter.

 

[bodecea]

I was wondering how climate change may have affected that area since I lived there. More sunshine?

lake effect snow...how well i remember that...

If you really miss it, just winter in Buffalo New York.

Or Watertown.

 

[charwin95]

You don’t even live here to make such erroneous opinions.

1. Prove it. Or you are lying again.

2. We do control burns. Prove that we don’t. We still do logging and thin forests.

Did you even watch how devastating the Santa Ana winds and where it started and hit the most? Does it looks like where the logging areas or the thinning?

Why California's Best Strategy Against Wildfire Is Hardly Ever Used
Molly Peterson
Jul 16, 2018
[...]
But experts say it’s possible to avoid catastrophic harm to human and forest health by setting planned burns before human error, lightning or arson choose when fires start.
[...]
Even when the permit is done and the weather is right and crews are available, the air might already be too polluted to add more smoke to the mix. Air regulators grant permission for burn days, and it’s hard to get: regional atmospheric conditions mean that smoke from Sierra Nevada forests funnels toward the central valley, where air pollution is consistently bad.
[...]
Why California's Best Strategy Against Wildfire Is Hardly Ever Used

###

Nov 16, 2018, 12:06am
California's Deadliest Fires Could Have Been Mitigated By Prevention
Chuck DeVore Contributor

At least 63 people have been killed with 631 reported missing in the California fires as thousands of firefighters, including 200 sent from Texas as well as other states, battle to contain the blazes. More than 7,000 structures have been destroyed, including up to 90 percent of the homes in Paradise, population 26,682, in Northern California’s Butte County. More than a quarter of a million people have been evacuated in both the north of the state by the Camp Fire and by other fires in Southern California, Hill and Woolsey.
[...]
When deadly fires were burning last August, Mike Marcucci, the assistant chief of CAL FIRE, California’s main firefighting agency, noted in an interview with the CBS affiliate in San Francisco that, “It’s a daunting task that we’re working with some of our cooperators (i.e. federal and local authorities) to make sure we can get some of those trees out of the way to not add to some of the fuel.” CAL FIRE experts expanded on the problem by blaming decades of policy that discouraged controlled burns to reduce the fuel load in the now-burning forests in the north and hillsides in the south, creating tinderbox conditions.
[...]
Some of the needed prescribed burns in Southern California’s coastal chaparral and grasslands have been deterred by environmental lawsuits and air quality concerns.

The federal government controls 46 percent of California’s land, much of it managed by the U.S. Forest Service. In the three decades before 1990, foresters harvested 10-12 billion board feet of timber from national forests every year. By 2013, restrictive environmental policies cut that to 2.5 billion. While the harvest declined, so too did tree thinning and the clearing of brush and diseased trees. The Trump administration is reversing that trend with the biggest harvest of trees on federal land in 20 years, selling 3.4 billion board feet on some 3 million acres—still just a third of the typical pre-1990 harvest.
[...]
California's Deadliest Fires Could Have Been Mitigated By Prevention

More? As you know, there are dozens of other articles and sources pinpointing the neglect and mismanagement of California forests.

Read my post #217. Don’t stare at it. And read what you just posted. See if you can make sense.

Look at the maps of California where all the forest and loggings are. Then look at the areas being burns affected by the Santa Ana winds..... Start with that. Then come back to me.

There’s something wrong with you.