How many right wingers vs left wingers on this forum?

[NightFox]

You will quickly find 80 percent of the lefties all claim to be moderates.

You see them all over this forum. They claim they are moderates, who just happen to side with the Democrats over 90% of the time.

Ray, You don’t believe that there are many “moderate” Democrats?

Honestly as a libertarian, it’s hard to tell what “moderate” means anymore, it’s become a pretty murky term to nail down, however I suspect that most partisans from either party consider themselves “moderate” in one way or another. The Overton Window has moved so much from where it was just a decade ago, that what we once believed as “conservative” core principles or “liberal” core principles rarely seem to apply anymore.

The Democrats "official" platform has moved WAY further to the left over the past decade than the GOP has moved in any direction. Any Democrat who has views similar to a Joe Lieberman-type moderate is radically out of sync with the current Democrat platform, which is on a trajectory to move even further left based on its young leadership.

I don’t disagree, but isn’t a “moderate” determined by the middle ground of public opinion at any given point in time (aka “The Overton Window”) ? Where do Democrats and Republicans fall with respect to that?

Is Donald Trump “far right” with respect to the center of public opinion today?
Is Joe Biden “far left” with respect to the center of public opinion today?

Opinion polls seem to indicate that we’re by in large a “center right” country, but it’s relative, the “center” seems to have moved to the left in the last few decades.

Without question the center has moved left in some respects. The way I'm looking at left and right is based on the definitions in political theory, applied to the policies being advanced by each party's elected leaders. That said, if you look at any poll on the approval rating of Congress, it's pretty clear there's a big disparity between the center of public opinion and the things our elected leaders are prioritizing

That’s a great point, it does seem that our Congress Critters in the aggregate are WAY out of touch with the average Americans sense of priorities, which seems odd in our highly focused grouped political system.

Bound to happen when your pool of potential focus group participants consists of the Washington D.C. area.

Then how do these dickweeds keep getting elected using completely focused grouped, empty arguments? Apparently those D.C. focus groups are pretty good at telling politicians what the people outside of D.C. want to hear.

I don't know if they're actually doing that, or it's just that the candidates for federal political offices are generally piss poor and seem to be getting worse, attracting people with a predilection for dishonesty and motivation to become wealthy...a bad combination for that type of work...and basically leaving us with a bunch of clones that differ only by who is less shitty.

In all seriousness, money from special interest groups and lobbyists is the primary reason the priorities of our elected representatives are so out of touch with the priorities of their constituents. And that needs to be reigned in and ended if things are ever going to get better. If holding congressional office stops becoming a ticket to the millionaires club, we're more likely to end up with people who have a genuine interest in representing the interests of their constituents and the betterment of the country overall.

Agreed, I think the citizenry made a HUGE mistaken when they allowed politician to become a profession, the country didn’t start that way and we were better for it. A farmer would STAND (not run) for office, go do a few years of public service representing his/her constituents and then go back to his/her profession of farming, never lost touch because he/she never became something other than he/she was, a common citizen farmer.

Nowadays, we have people in elected office that have never really been anything Else but a politician (yes Obama I’m looking at YOU), they have no frame of reference for what the average citizen really needs.

The current system SUCKS, it takes perfectly reasonable citizens and turns them in professional, power and money grubbing liars.

 

[Lesh]

So what IS the "middle" these days?

 

[Colin norris]

hjmick
If that's the best you've go, you've still got nothing.

Have a look at what he said yet you chastise me. You hypocrite.

 

[22lcidw]

You will quickly find 80 percent of the lefties all claim to be moderates.

You see them all over this forum. They claim they are moderates, who just happen to side with the Democrats over 90% of the time.

Ray, You don’t believe that there are many “moderate” Democrats?

Honestly as a libertarian, it’s hard to tell what “moderate” means anymore, it’s become a pretty murky term to nail down, however I suspect that most partisans from either party consider themselves “moderate” in one way or another. The Overton Window has moved so much from where it was just a decade ago, that what we once believed as “conservative” core principles or “liberal” core principles rarely seem to apply anymore.

There are. But if you vote Democrat, you are getting agendas that are Progressive Socialist and people like AOC's views are pushed. Two choices every election.

 

[Colin norris]

22lcidw
Socialist my foot. You guys think everything a lefty says is some marcist plot. You're all paranoid about nothing.

 

[Blues Man]

Another false dichotomy since there are people here who are neither "right wing" nor "left wing"

 

[NightFox]

You will quickly find 80 percent of the lefties all claim to be moderates.

You see them all over this forum. They claim they are moderates, who just happen to side with the Democrats over 90% of the time.

Ray, You don’t believe that there are many “moderate” Democrats?

Honestly as a libertarian, it’s hard to tell what “moderate” means anymore, it’s become a pretty murky term to nail down, however I suspect that most partisans from either party consider themselves “moderate” in one way or another. The Overton Window has moved so much from where it was just a decade ago, that what we once believed as “conservative” core principles or “liberal” core principles rarely seem to apply anymore.

There are. But if you vote Democrat, you are getting agendas that are Progressive Socialist and people like AOC's views are pushed. Two choices every election.

Yep two choices every election is right, Brand Evil-D or Brand Evil-R.

THAT’S THE PROBLEM.

What ever happened to the premise that the more choices there are, the better it is? We LOVE to have more choices of consumer goods, services, schools, churches, content, etc.., etc.., why is it we’re so stubborn about limiting our choices in politics to just two, both of which are nothing but organized crime families?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

22lcidw
Socialist my foot. You guys think everything a lefty says is some marcist plot. You're all paranoid about nothing.

well except AO and her group ADMIT they are socialists.

 

[Lesh]

Another false dichotomy since there are people here who are neither "right wing" nor "left wing"

What...two? Three?

Certainly not you (or me for that matter)

 

[Blues Man]

Another false dichotomy since there are people here who are neither "right wing" nor "left wing"

What...two? Three?

Certainly not you (or me for that matter)

You know nothing of my politics.

You assume that because I am pro second amendment that I must be anti abortion, anti gay marriage, etc etc.

And you would be wrong ..... as usual.

 

[Lesh]

Another false dichotomy since there are people here who are neither "right wing" nor "left wing"

What...two? Three?

Certainly not you (or me for that matter)

You know nothing of my politics.

You assume that because I am pro second amendment that I must be anti abortion, anti gay marriage, etc etc.

And you would be wrong ..... as usual.

I only know what you have posted...and what you have not

 

[Blues Man]

Another false dichotomy since there are people here who are neither "right wing" nor "left wing"

What...two? Three?

Certainly not you (or me for that matter)

You know nothing of my politics.

You assume that because I am pro second amendment that I must be anti abortion, anti gay marriage, etc etc.

And you would be wrong ..... as usual.

I only know what you have posted...and what you have not

and on that very small data sample you make sweeping assumptions.

 

[Synthaholic]

Apparently those D.C. focus groups are pretty good at telling politicians what the people outside of D.C. want to hear.

Yes, like "we are going to make your healthcare affordable and you can't be turned down for a preexisting condition".

And "we've got a plan to vaccinate everyone".

And "I won't waste over $100 million playing golf and bilking taxpayers".


Things like that.

Uh-huh, tell people what they want to hear whether it’s actually the truth or not, things like that, obviously the focused group bullshit line worked on you.

You don’t want to hear the truth, all you want is slogans and bullshit that feed your confirmation bias and what better way to do that than FOCUS GROUPS? they help politicians figure out which lies are the most palatable.

What did I post that wasn't true, Short Bus?

 

[kaz]

I find people have a desire to put labels on people when they can't actually defend the things they say they believe in. They create these labels that they lump people into and argue that when they are unable to actually address the inconsistencies in their beliefs.

It's not just a "label" to call you a leftist, you always support the left. Why does that bother you since it's accurate?

Deep down, do you realize maybe you should think more?

pknopp: But kaz, you ALWAYS support the right! Give me one example where you don't!

Sure. I'm pro-choice, think drugs should all be legal, oppose the death penalty, want to cut the military by 1/3 to 1/2 and pull out of all foreign countries. Oh sorry, you said one.

pknopp: See, you can't give me one example!

 

[NightFox]

Apparently those D.C. focus groups are pretty good at telling politicians what the people outside of D.C. want to hear.

Yes, like "we are going to make your healthcare affordable and you can't be turned down for a preexisting condition".

And "we've got a plan to vaccinate everyone".

And "I won't waste over $100 million playing golf and bilking taxpayers".


Things like that.

Uh-huh, tell people what they want to hear whether it’s actually the truth or not, things like that, obviously the focused group bullshit line worked on you.

You don’t want to hear the truth, all you want is slogans and bullshit that feed your confirmation bias and what better way to do that than FOCUS GROUPS? they help politicians figure out which lies are the most palatable.

What did I post that wasn't true, Short Bus?

Nope, all SLOGAN no SUBSTANCE, of course I wouldn’t expect someone that posts a running suck Joe Biden’s ass thread to be able to discern the difference between reality and fantasy.

All it would take for you to completely reverse your opinion of Joe Biden or any other creature from the Crime Family-D that you worship is to change the letter behind that slogan spouting puppets name.

I don’t know which is more pathetic, the fact that you are a mindless, partisan lemming or the fact that you don’t realize you’re a mindless, partisan lemming.

 

[sartre play]

All talk centers on what the party wants, not on looking at bills and proposal's with an open mind towards what America needs. Winning tops doing what's for the greater good.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What ever happened to the premise that the more choices there are, the better it is? We LOVE to have more choices of consumer goods, services, schools, churches, content, etc.., etc.., why is it we’re so stubborn about limiting our choices in politics to just two, both of which are nothing but organized crime families?

Because of the idea that many of us vote to keep the other person out more so than get our person in. When you cast a vote for a third party candidate that doesn't stand a chance in hell at winning, you also cast a vote that would allow the worst candidate to get the job.

It's not a matter of "If Trump wins, that would be great, but if Biden wins, that's okay too." Look at where our country is at today because he and the rest of the Nazis won. Fuel is up over 30% and likely only going higher, they are working on destroying the suburbs where many middle-class people could lose half their property value or more, they are the anti-police party and trying to take personal liability protection away from police so nobody will want to be a cop in the future, our inflation is out of control, and they're talking about spending another 6 trillion for more Democrat pork.

While I am a staunch Trump supporter, if Mickey Mouse would have run against Biden, I would have voted for Mickey Mouse to keep Biden out.

 

[Rigby5]

99 % commie fascist antifa. 1 % real american.

That is sort of a silly thing to say because the word "fascist" refers to the right wing oligarchy created by Ancient Rome, where the priests, military, and wealthy aristocracy ruled in a coalition of power.

It simply makes no sense to preface Antifa with the word "fascist".
Antifa not only claims to be anti fascist, but clearly is left wing, while fascists have to be right wing.

 

[Jets]

The site leans more to the right than left.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Then how do these dickweeds keep getting elected using completely focused grouped, empty arguments? Apparently those D.C. focus groups are pretty good at telling politicians what the people outside of D.C. want to hear.

The electorate is basically controlled by the MSM. Unfortunately, we don't have a test people have to to take to vote, so our representatives are sometimes decided by people like the Obama Phone lady. The Democrats want to put that on steroids by making everybody vote by mail so we have a more ignorant electorate. I'm voting Democrat. Why? Because Democrat sounds like democracy, and democracy is a good thing, right??????

Imagine how much better our country would be if the MSM didn't hide stuff from their viewers for their candidate, and told both sides of the story. Imagine how much better results we would have if only people who understood policies and our politics could vote.

Joseph R. Biden voters experience regret after new revelations, poll finds

Roughly 17% of Biden voters said they wouldn’t have voted for him if they had known about his record as well as that of President Trump, found the survey commissioned by the conservative Media Research Center.

www.washingtontimes.com