Zone1 how many go to heaven according to your religion?

[FoghornLeghorn]

You've been taught HUGE lies

I'll probably go back to ignore because ... me? I've fed up with all the lies in the world

Instead of calling me a liar, show Biblical evidence that demonstrates that paying pennances leads to salvation.

 

[forkintheroad7]

I do not think you are telling the truth. The only way to heaven is through God - the only way to God is through Jesus. Pretty much the same as Islam.

and the only way to Christ (not just some human ideas/interpretations of Christ)

is

through HIS

Church, the Catholic Church (not the corrupt Vatican but the true Catholic Church)

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

So I pray that everyone enters the Catholic Church.

And I pray that everyone chooses to follow Jesus, which all will do - eventually.

Why do the scriptures give all thanks, praise, and glory to God and Jesus but not to the Catholic Church?

 

[toobfreak]

Jesus means to love and obey God the Father and to love one another. That is what leads to salvation.

So like I said, salvation is earned.

Paying a pennance does nothing

You just admitted it did.

I encourage you to stick to the scriptures and to RUN from Catholic theology. By the way, I was a Catholic for 50 years.

I've never been a Catholic, but thanks for the advice.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

and the only way to Christ (not just some human ideas/interpretations of Christ)

is

in HIS

Church, the Catholic Church (not the corrupt Vatican but the true Catholic Church)

This poster is a "blind guide". He professes to speak for and serve Jesus but instead he serves the heretical, worldly, Catholic "church" just like the Pharisees didn't serve God but actually opposed him. I pray that our brother will open his heart and his mind to the truth of the SCRIPTURES and leave the heretical, Catholic, organization.

Matthew 15:12-14
Then the disciples came and said to him, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?” 13 He answered, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides.[c] And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

 

[forkintheroad7]

Actually, even as a Catholic, I at one time long ago, "accepted" when a person would say that we cannot earn our way to Heaven.

It is true that it is God's decision to save or not, and yet if one does not obey Jesus Christ to the best of his ability, that person will not be admitted into Heaven. It says this in the Bible. I don't know why people claim to go by the Bible yet at the same time believe things that go totally against it..

True Catholics do not do that

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

if one does not obey Jesus Christ to the best of his ability, that person will not be admitted into Heaven.

Verse(s)?

 

[GLASNOST]

and the only way to Christ (not just some human ideas/interpretations of Christ)

is

through HIS

Church, the Catholic Church (not the corrupt Vatican but the true Catholic Church)

The Peoples Temple.

 

[Alter2Ego]

Here opinons vary

as a young Catholic i was told ... nearly everybody

what about you?

According to scripture at Revelation 7:4, below is the number that will go to heaven.

Revelation 7:4​

"And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel:"

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

According to scripture at Revelation 7:4, below is the number that will go to heaven.

Revelation 7:4​

"And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel:"

Revelation is a book of symbols. I believe the number 144,000 is also symbolic and not literal.

 

[Quantrill]

Revelation is a book of symbols. I believe the number 144,000 is also symbolic and not literal.

The whole Bible uses symbols. But the Bible should not be interpreted 'symbolically'. (Revelation) does use symbolic language, but those symbols can be interpreted by the Bible itself.

There is no reason to think that the 144,000 should not be interpreted literally. Not for Heaven, but for protection during the Tribulation period and their entrance into the Millennial Kingdom on earth when Christ returns.

Quantrill

 

[forkintheroad7]

The whole Bible uses symbols. But the Bible should not be interpreted 'symbolically'. (Revelation) does use symbolic language, but those symbols can be interpreted by the Bible itself.

There is no reason to think that the 144,000 should not be interpreted literally. Not for Heaven, but for protection during the Tribulation period and their entrance into the Millennial Kingdom on earth when Christ returns.

Quantrill

Sure there is a reason: 144,000 out of billions/trillions of people who ever lived?

Gee, be logical.

Foghorn L finally said something I agree with and you are arguing against it. Anyhow, yeh, that number NOT being symbolic makes ZERO sense.

I hate all the ill effects of 500 years of Protestantism... you get the most illogical beliefs, beyond what you can even imagine.

 

[Quantrill]

Sure there is a reason: 144,000 out of billions/trillions of people who ever lived?

Gee, be logical.

Foghorn L finally said something I agree with and you are arguing against it. Anyhow, yeh, that number NOT being symbolic makes ZERO sense.

I hate all the ill effects of 500 years of Protestantism... you get the most illogical beliefs, beyond what you can even imagine.

I am logical 144,000 means exactly what it says. 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel.

It makes perfect sense.

Quantrill

 

[forkintheroad7]

I am logical 144,000 means exactly what it says. 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel.

It makes perfect sense.

Quantrill

No, it does not. For one, it is HIGHLY unlikely that the number of those who get to Heaven is an exactly, rounded-off number like 144,000

not 144,592 or 144,678 or what you, but no, 3 zeros...

There is a lot of history in the Bible.. However, everything in the Bible is not to be taken absolutely literally.

Example: There is a psg in the Bible that says some woman (can't recall whom) "had no more children until she died."

If you were to take that literally, you would have to conclude that she had children after she died...

 

[Alter2Ego]

Revelation 7:4​

"And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel:"

Revelation is a book of symbols. I believe the number 144,000 is also symbolic and not literal.

Not the entire book. Some of it is literal.

Revelation 21:3​

With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them.

Revelation 21:4​

And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”



That promise at Revelation 21:4 is supported by scripture elsewhere in the Bible--indicating it is literal. For example, notice the promises for those that will live on a paradise earth after the wicked have been annihilated by Jehovah.

Psalm 37:11​

But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.

Isaiah 33:24​

And no resident will say: “I am sick.” The people dwelling in the land will be pardoned for their error.

 

[Alter2Ego]

The whole Bible uses symbols. But the Bible should not be interpreted 'symbolically'. (Revelation) does use symbolic language, but those symbols can be interpreted by the Bible itself.

Sure there is a reason: 144,000 out of billions/trillions of people who ever lived?

Gee, be logical.

forkintheroad7:

Where are you getting the idea that every person who ever lived will even be brought back aka resurrected? Scripture says the wicked will be annihilated by Jehovah.

Psalm 37:9​

For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth.


BTW: Nowhere in the Bible does it support Christendom's belief that all good people go to heaven. The Bible indicates the majority of righteous mankind will live right here on earth--in paradisaic conditions--as indicated at Psalm 37:9, quoted above.

 

[Quantrill]

No, it does not. For one, it is HIGHLY unlikely that the number of those who get to Heaven is an exactly, rounded-off number like 144,000

not 144,592 or 144,678 or what you, but no, 3 zeros...

There is a lot of history in the Bible.. However, everything in the Bible is not to be taken absolutely literally.

Example: There is a psg in the Bible that says some woman (can't recall whom) "had no more children until she died."

If you were to take that literally, you would have to conclude that she had children after she died...

I didn't say 144,000 would be only those that went to heaven. In fact I was clear that it did not say that. See post #(71).

Quantrill

 

[forkintheroad7]

forkintheroad7:

Where are you getting the idea that every person who ever lived will even be brought back aka resurrected? Scripture says the wicked will be annihilated by Jehovah.

Psalm 37:9​

For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth.


BTW: Nowhere in the Bible does it support Christendom's belief that all good people go to heaven. The Bible indicates the majority of righteous mankind will live right here on earth--in paradisaic conditions--as indicated at Psalm 37:9, quoted above.

Oh, you're a JW

You have a completely different Bible than most Christians have, and even more different from the Catholic (DR) Bible.

Well, I'm probably not going to want to discuss things with you. You obviously don't know anything about the Catholic Faith which was established by Christ and so you, like just about everyone else in Religion Section, aren't going to understand or be open to anything I say.

I hate to see you as I see virtually every other Protestant, but I just never have any "luck" getting them to understand where I'm coming from, and trying to just appears to be a colossal waste of time. Maybe I'm wrong but I seriously doubt it

 

[forkintheroad7]

Jehovah Witnesses say there is no eternal Hell

- HERESY -

That tells you right there you should steer clear of them!

Jesus mentions Hell all the time. How about Mt 25:31-46

Those who do not care about the needs of others will "go off to eternal punishment" -- not "the common grave" of annihilation but PUNISHMENT...

I can't even imagine eternal punishment, but that's what Jesus said

-Issue Resolved-

 

[ding]

Here opinons vary

as a young Catholic i was told ... nearly everybody

what about you?

I really do hate it when people miss the point of all of this.