How long can they hold Kim Davis?

[peach174]

Nobody is telling her that she can not work there because of her religious beliefs. All they are requiring is that she not interfere with legal county business. If a Muslim were to apply for a job as an air traffic controler, but demands that he be allowed to put his position on hold so that he can lay out his prayer rug and pray to Mecca 5 times per day, he would not be hired, either..and rightfully so.

Many Muslims have been able to do so at their jobs.
They have been accommodated by many employers for noon and afternoon prayer.

I believe the question was a little more specific.

So was mine but you ignored it.

 

[peach174]

Nobody is telling her that she can not work there because of her religious beliefs. All they are requiring is that she not interfere with legal county business. If a Muslim were to apply for a job as an air traffic controler, but demands that he be allowed to put his position on hold so that he can lay out his prayer rug and pray to Mecca 5 times per day, he would not be hired, either..and rightfully so.

Many Muslims have been able to do so at their jobs.
They have been accommodated by many employers for noon and afternoon prayer.

I believe the question was a little more specific.

Typically, controllers work "on position" for 90 to 120 minutes followed by a 30-minute break and Muslims are able to do their prayers in those 30 minute breaks.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Nobody is telling her that she can not work there because of her religious beliefs. All they are requiring is that she not interfere with legal county business. If a Muslim were to apply for a job as an air traffic controler, but demands that he be allowed to put his position on hold so that he can lay out his prayer rug and pray to Mecca 5 times per day, he would not be hired, either..and rightfully so.

Many Muslims have been able to do so at their jobs.
They have been accommodated by many employers for noon and afternoon prayer.

I believe the question was a little more specific.

Typically, controllers work "on position" for 90 to 120 minutes followed by a 30-minute break and Muslims are able to do their prayers in those 30 minute breaks.

Are you seriously arguing that the same anti-discrimination law that Kim will not follow is also requiring us to hire air traffic controllers who are Muslim, and grant them prayer rug time?

 

[WorldWatcher]

She can no long work there or her son, or anyone else who hold those beliefs.

Well that's false. She can still work there, her son can still work there, and anyone who holes those beliefs can still work there.

There are no limits on her beliefs, however her beliefs are not justification for a government entity not to function.

That violates the employment discrimination law.

False. Employement non-discrimination law only requires the employer to adopt reasonable accommodation. An employer is not required to shut down operations or operate less efficiently simply to comply with a religoius request by an employee.

Religious Discrimination

"Religious Discrimination & Reasonable Accommodation & Undue Hardship
An employer does not have to accommodate an employee's religious beliefs or practices if doing so would cause undue hardship to the employer. An accommodation may cause undue hardship if it is costly, compromises workplace safety, decreases workplace efficiency, infringes on the rights of other employees, or requires other employees to do more than their share of potentially hazardous or burdensome work."​

But this is going to happen all across the country.

Not likely as same-sex Civil Marriage is already occurring across the country with very few problems.

There are some misfits trying to cause problems, but in the grand scheme of things, those problems will be worked out.

In Oregon, an ethics investigation of Marion County Circuit Judge Vance Day has been launched following his decision not to perform same-sex marriages, Patrick Korten, a spokesman for the judge, confirmed Thursday.

Interesting case, one to watch, but not likely to be the same type of case.

See Ms. Davis is a County Clerk for Rowan County. As such issuing Civil Marriage licenses is a job requirement of the office (whether she has to sign it or not). It is a "shall" perform, i.e. mandatory, function of the County Clerks office to provide licenses.

On the other hand Judges are a "may" perform situation. Judges performing civil marriages in Oregon are voluntary, not necessarily a requirement of the job.

Makes it a different situation.


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[HappyJoy]

Nobody is telling her that she can not work there because of her religious beliefs. All they are requiring is that she not interfere with legal county business. If a Muslim were to apply for a job as an air traffic controler, but demands that he be allowed to put his position on hold so that he can lay out his prayer rug and pray to Mecca 5 times per day, he would not be hired, either..and rightfully so.

Many Muslims have been able to do so at their jobs.
They have been accommodated by many employers for noon and afternoon prayer.

I believe the question was a little more specific.

Typically, controllers work "on position" for 90 to 120 minutes followed by a 30-minute break and Muslims are able to do their prayers in those 30 minute breaks.

Are you seriously arguing that the same anti-discrimination law that Kim will not follow is also requiring us to hire air traffic controllers who are Muslim, and grant them prayer rug time?

Apparently.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

As long as she's not reelected, she's out when her term is up, but she'll never make it that long, not a chance. Jesus will change her heart, of course.

So the Judge will cry 'uncle' first, and release her on a technicality?

Maybe.

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No...

You can't have it both ways Paint.
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When her term is up she will be released, if not reelected, since she will no longer be in contempt since she will no longer have that job. She will fold long before that, but not the judge unless her office is doing their job and she is not interfering. Had she agreed to not interfere she would have already been released.

I beg to differ, Solicitor Paint. Contempt of court is at the discretion of the court, and is in no way related to the circumstances of the executive. She can be in 'Time Out' as long as the judge is on the bench.

Your turn, young Jedi.

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There is no reason to hold her once she no longer holds the office, so she won't be. When her term is up, she's out, if she doesn't fold before then, which she will...

 

[waltky]

Granny says, "Dat's right...

... she a prisoner for Jesus...

... just like the apostle Paul." ...

Who is Kentucky clerk Kim Davis?
Fri September 4, 2015 | Husband: County clerk prefers jail to sanctioning gay marriage

She stands at the crossroads of a controversy between same-sex marriage and faith. Kim Davis is the clerk of Rowan County, Kentucky. And she finds herself in jail for refusing to issue marriage licenses to gay couples after the U.S. Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage in June. U.S. District Judge David Bunning on Thursday found her in contempt of court for her stand and said Davis will remain behind bars until she complies. After she was jailed, Rowan County issued a marriage license to a same-sex couple for the first time Friday.

But Davis' husband, Joe, told reporters Friday his wife was willing to remain in jail until the state government allows her to keep her name off the licenses. "As long as it takes," Joe Davis said. "Hopefully (Gov. Steve) Beshear will have the guts to do his job."

Her mom had the job before her

Davis has only held office as the Rowan Country clerk since January. But don't be fooled by her short tenure. She's not a newbie. Her mother was county clerk for 37 years, The New York Times reported. Davis was her deputy for 26 of those years. The 49-year-old is a native of Rowan County. She's never lived anywhere else.

She won 53% of the vote

When the Democrat ran for county clerk, she won the party primary by 23 votes. In the general election, she collected 53% of the vote.

It's a family affair

The parallels continue into the next generation. Now that Davis is the county clerk, her son, Nathan, is one of her deputies. Like mother, like daughter. Like mother, like son.

She's been married four times

 

[NYcarbineer]

She should resign, dye her hair blonde, and get an on air job at Foxnews.

 

[SwimExpert]

So now we have a violation of the employment discrimination laws where religious beliefs of one man and one woman can't be hired as a marriage license clerk in the government.

What an absolutely ridiculous and bald-faced lie. You know damn well that no rule of any kind prohibits anyone of any religion from being a marriage license clerk.

If a person is unwilling to do the job of a marriage license clerk because of their personal beliefs, that is on them personally.

 

[Silhouette]

Freedom of religion baby!

 

[Silhouette]

There is no reason to hold her once she no longer holds the office, so she won't be. When her term is up, she's out, if she doesn't fold before then, which she will...

I don't think she will. The longer she stays in that jail, the more the jury will award her when this is all said and done.

Did you expect there would be no civil disobedience? Are you in support of the people who married gays in California anyway while Prop 8 was law (still is when they impeach Ginsburg & Kagan and retry the case)? If you were in support of that, you are in support also of Kim Davis' refusal on principle. You have your principles, she has hers. Only, she's sitting in jail because of hers. But that's better than eternity in the slammer.

If she loses her job because of her passive but firm religious objections, she is going to FLEECE the state of Kentucky. That's a given. Anyone wishing to retire early might choose to do exactly what she's doing, matter of fact.. In order for the jury to find against Ms. Davis they would have to find that the 1st Amendment no longer is a working amendment and that a person can be discriminated against based on their religion.

See, I told y'all that mistaking behaviors for race was going to cause a legal logjam and unraveling of American Law . But NOOOOOObody wanted to listen. Now we are right in the thick of it, what, not even four months after June's Judicial coup?

 

[chikenwing]

Not sure how this will play out, one thing is for sure,the anti faith crowd might be surprised by what becomes of this can of worms .a court ruling that flys in the face of millions of peoples faith isn't going to just fit right in,there will be and should accommodations.

 

[Jarlaxle]

they have got to let her out sometime. When is that? When is her sentence up?

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Social warriors are not very compromising. She might die in prison.

They would have to let her out when her term of office ends. (At that point, the contempt charge is moot.)

 

[Jarlaxle]

There is no reason to hold her once she no longer holds the office, so she won't be. When her term is up, she's out, if she doesn't fold before then, which she will...

I don't think she will. The longer she stays in that jail, the more the jury will award her when this is all said and done.

You're hallucinating. She will not collect a cent. (In fact, she should be fined into penury for this.)

 

[Camp]

they have got to let her out sometime. When is that? When is her sentence up?

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Social warriors are not very compromising. She might die in prison.

They would have to let her out when her term of office ends. (At that point, the contempt charge is moot.)

Not necessarily. Her lawyer, and therefore she, is arguing that the licences not signed by her are invalid. The court court could still demand that she sign the licences retroactively to prevent long drawn out court cases for everyone married under the licenses she is claiming as invalid.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Not necessarily. Her lawyer, and therefore she, is arguing that the licences not signed by her are invalid. The court court could still demand that she sign the licences retroactively to prevent long drawn out court cases for everyone married under the licenses she is claiming as invalid.

The County Clerk doesn't actually sign the license.


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[waltky]

Free at last, free at last - thank God Almighty she's free at last!...

Kentucky clerk Kim Davis released from jail; she must allow licenses
8 Sept.`15 — The Rowan County, Ky., clerk who was jailed last week for failing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples was released from jail Tuesday after spending six days in jail.

U.S. District Judge David Bunning, who jailed Kim Davis for contempt of court Thursday, ordered her freed from jail, saying he was satisfied her deputies have complied with his order to issue marriage licenses to same-sex and straight couples. After her release Tuesday, Davis could be seen standing with Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee outside of the Carter County (Ky.) Detention Center where she was held. In a two-page order, Bunning ordered the U.S. Marshal Service to release her on the condition that she shall not “interfere in any way, directly or indirectly, with the efforts of her deputy clerks to issue marriage licenses to all legally eligible couples. If she does, Bunning said, “appropriate sanctions” will be considered.

He ordered court-appointed lawyers for the deputies to report every 14 days on their compliance. Davis' lawyers did not immediately respond to questions about whether she will comply with the order. Bunning said a report by lawyers for the four couples who sued Davis said that five of the six deputies — all but Davis' son — are issuing licenses, as promised under oath that they would do. "The court is therefore satisfied that the Rowan County Clerk’s Office is fulfilling its obligation to issue marriage licenses to all legally eligible couples, consistent with the U.S. Supreme Court’s holding in Obergefell and this court’s August 12, 2015 order," Bunning said. "For these reasons, the Court’s prior contempt sanction against Defendant Davis is hereby lifted."

Dan Canon, one of the lawyers for the plaintiffs, said: "The goal was to get Ms. Davis to issue licenses, and to stop imposing her religious beliefs on the citizens she was elected to serve. That goal has been achieved, for now. We are hopeful that Ms. Davis will comply with the Court's orders and let her deputies continue to do their jobs." After the U.S. Supreme Court ruling this summer that made marriage equality the law of the land, Davis stopped issuing marriage licenses all together saying that it would violate her religion to issue licenses to same-sex couples.

Davis' attorneys filed an appeal Monday with the federal appeals court in Cincinnati. Her attorneys also asked Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear to accommodate her "religious conviction" and have her freed from jail. The news of Davis' release comes the same day as a rally in support of Davis was planned outside the Carter County Detention Center. Huckabee planned to attend the rally in Grayson, Ky. Authorities were expecting large crowds. Hundreds had gathered Saturday outside the detention center in what was called a "Free Kim Davis" rally. The American Civil Liberties Union, which represents couples Davis turned away, had asked the judge that she be fined rather than imprisoned, in part to avoid "a false persecution story," Canon said at the time. Bunning ordered her jailed anyway, reasoning that she would be unmoved by monetary penalties.

Kentucky clerk Kim Davis released from jail; she must allow licenses

 

[Political Junky]

She's out and being treated like Jesus Christ himself.
Meanwhile, Huckabee is getting lots of free airtime railing about God & his interpretation of the Constitution.

 

[bendog]

Once she learned she couldn't use go fund me, she folded like a cheap revival tent. Now that she's out, she can go on a Clinton-like speaking tour and make money to pay off her legal bills and take a dandy vacation.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I loved the photo of her husband in his overalls. He looks like Jethro from Beverly Hillbillies, after hitting middle age...