How Elon Musk changed the Moon colonization

[sealybobo]

We care about things we control. Democrats care about things they control, such as global climate. This nutty theory is theirs to die on a hill for.

I love it how you morons don't think we can affect the climate on earth but you follow Elon who tells you we can taraform mars.

SpaceX generated $18.7 billion in revenue in 2025, a 33% increase from the previous year. However, the company reported a net loss of $4.9 billion, driven by massive capital expenditures in artificial intelligence data centers and infrastructure.

 

[Robert W]

Governments have already gone there and back. They've even gone to Mars and back. With bots/machines.

No spaceship has traveled to Mars and returned.

 

[Dante]

Musk is the reusable rocket guy. He used government funds and science.

Space exploration has been the achievements of government. Musk will only do what is profitable. People like Musk use governments funding and science to make money. Governments do the heavy lifting.

 

[Dante]

There is no government on the Moon. Musk will make it possible to get one there.

His ships are remarkable.

Actually, there are Flags and stuff of governments on the Moon.

 

[sealybobo]

There is no government on the Moon. Musk will make it possible to get one there.

His ships are remarkable.

This is just privatizing space travel so the corporations can rip us off. Elon wouldn't know dick if it weren't for NASA. And in the end Space X will cost us more than NASA did. Space X tries to keep the prices down now while NASA is still an option. Get rid of NASA and watch Elon's prices will skyrocket.

SpaceX generated $18.7 billion in revenue in 2025, a 33% increase from the previous year. However, the company reported a net loss of $4.9 billion, driven by massive capital expenditures in artificial intelligence data centers and infrastructure.

 

[Dante]

No spaceship has traveled to Mars and returned.

Who said a Spaceship has? try and keep up

 

[Robert W]

I love it how you morons don't think we can affect the climate on earth but you follow Elon who tells you we can taraform mars.

SpaceX generated $18.7 billion in revenue in 2025, a 33% increase from the previous year. However, the company reported a net loss of $4.9 billion, driven by massive capital expenditures in artificial intelligence data centers and infrastructure.

Let me paint a picture for you. Man is not in charge of global climate.
Climate scientists debunked this years ago.

 

[Dante]

"Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson acknowledges Elon Musk’s engineering achievements with SpaceX but heavily criticizes Musk's plans to colonize Mars, arguing the endeavor lacks a solid business case and will only succeed if funded by governments for geopolitical dominance. Tyson favors lunar bases and orbiting space habitats over Martian settlement."

Prof Brian Cox on whether Elon Musk owns the moon - ABC listen

As Artemis II prepares for launch, our first trip near the moon since the 1970s, a successful voyage could bring a lunar colony closer to reality. But as tech billionaires compete for NASA contracts, from Elon Musk's SpaceX to Jeff Bezos' Blue Origins, can we trust corporations to act on...

www.abc.net.au

 

[Robert W]

This is just privatizing space travel so the corporations can rip us off. Elon wouldn't know dick if it weren't for NASA. And in the end Space X will cost us more than NASA did. Space X tries to keep the prices down now while NASA is still an option. Get rid of NASA and watch Elon's prices will skyrocket.

SpaceX generated $18.7 billion in revenue in 2025, a 33% increase from the previous year. However, the company reported a net loss of $4.9 billion, driven by massive capital expenditures in artificial intelligence data centers and infrastructure.

Apparently, you are against returning to the moon and constructing a city there as Musk plans to do. Musk accomplishes everything he plans to do.

 

[Dante]

Let me paint a picture for you. Man is not in charge of global climate.
Climate scientists debunked this years ago.

NASA!

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gpm.nasa.gov

 

[Robert W]

"Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson acknowledges Elon Musk’s engineering achievements with SpaceX but heavily criticizes Musk's plans to colonize Mars, arguing the endeavor lacks a solid business case and will only succeed if funded by governments for geopolitical dominance. Tyson favors lunar bases and orbiting space habitats over Martian settlement."

Musk dropped that plan and decided to construct a city on the Moon.

 

[Dante]

Dawkins speaks of "The greening of Mars" as a possibility, not a probability. Serious people know how difficult and consuming of tiem and resources that would take. No for-profit entity will invest in that one.


Richard Dawkins talks to Brian Cox about Elon Musk and colonising Mars | Asteroid Day LIVE

Humans won’t colonise Mars because it’s too hard and no fun, says Professor Brian Cox​

SpaceX founder Elon Musk wants to create a self-sustaining city on the Red Planet by 2050

 

[Dante]

Musk dropped that plan and decided to construct a city on the Moon.

try and keep up .. does Musk say he will get to Mars

 

[Dante]

Musk dropped that plan and decided to construct a city on the Moon.

Like Trump, Musk keeps changing his mind and message. Critics long ago said Musk was delusional about Mars. It has been a given in most circles that the Moon or orbiting stations will be the stepping stones to a Mars visit (not colonization). Nothing new in what Musk is saying.

 

[sealybobo]

Let me paint a picture for you. Man is not in charge of global climate.
Climate scientists debunked this years ago.

No they didn't. How can you say that?

Yes, human activities are the primary driver of the climate changes observed today. By burning fossil fuels, clearing land, and farming, we have amplified Earth's natural greenhouse effect and warmed the planet faster than at any point in recorded history.
Over 99% of actively publishing climate scientists agree that climate change is happening and is primarily driven by human activity.

OMG were you wrong. You must not have access to AI or Google for you to be this stupid.

 

[sealybobo]

Dawkins speaks of "The greening of Mars" as a possibility, not a probability. Serious people know how difficult and consuming of tiem and resources that would take. No for-profit entity will invest in that one.


Richard Dawkins talks to Brian Cox about Elon Musk and colonising Mars | Asteroid Day LIVE

Humans won’t colonise Mars because it’s too hard and no fun, says Professor Brian Cox​

SpaceX founder Elon Musk wants to create a self-sustaining city on the Red Planet by 2050

Yes it is very hard to effect a planets climate. You would need every country polluting the atmosphere all at the same time. Europe, China, USA, South America, Mexico, India, Japan, Russia, Canada, Australia.

You would need to have every country going through an industrial revolution.

It was fine when America was the only country manufacturing.

 

[Dante]

Humanity Would Be Better off Saving Earth, Rather Than Colonizing Mars​

AI:
Physicist Brian Cox supports Elon Musk's goal to reach and colonize Mars [caveats here], but he fundamentally disagrees with the "bottom line" of the investment, arguing the primary value of space lies in building an off-world industrial economy rather than building a backup civilization on a dead planet. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Brian Cox’s Perspective

• The "Bottom Line" is Economic, Not Species Survival: Cox believes the true ROI of space exploration is not establishing a utopian colony. Instead, he views it as the expansion of civilization's infrastructure—using space to generate endless solar power and mine asteroids for heavy industry, which allows Earth to heal and function primarily as a residential planet.
• Mars as a Stepping Stone: Cox believes becoming a "space-faring civilization" is a necessary evolutionary step for humanity, and that reaching Mars is a critical proving ground for these technological advancements. [1, 2]

The Investment Argument

• The Musk View: Elon Musk’s investment focus with SpaceX's Starship is to make life "interplanetary" by reducing launch costs, pushing for rapid reusability, and eventually transporting hundreds of thousands of people to build a self-sustaining Martian city. Musk sees this as an insurance policy for the "light of human consciousness".
• The Cox View: Cox has expressed that on "Earth’s worst day," it is still vastly more hospitable than Mars. He frequently argues that the massive time, effort, and financial investment required to terraform or comfortably colonize a freezing, irradiated, and dead world would be better spent building artificial, orbiting habitats or focusing on asteroid mining

 

[Robert W]

Dawkins speaks of "The greening of Mars" as a possibility, not a probability. Serious people know how difficult and consuming of tiem and resources that would take. No for-profit entity will invest in that one.

I have argued that traversing to Mars and return won't happen.

There is no fuel on Mars. There are no facilities to refuel even were a human on Mars. No human can construct a refueling facility on mars. Surviving on mars for the over 2 years window to return is out of the question. At the present, only Musk can solve that problem as I see this in 2026.

 

[Dante]

This Robert W guy is a kook

 

[Dante]

I have argued that traversing to Mars and return won't happen.

There is no fuel on Mars. There are no facilities to refuel even were a human on Mars. No human can construct a refueling facility on mars. Surviving on mars for the over 2 years window to return is out of the question. At the present, only Musk can solve that problem as I see this in 2026.

You're thinking here seems stuck in the mud. People have spoken of (in the future this all is about) resources in orbiting stations as well as on planets and Moons (gas planets are not in the picture).

Leaving the solar system is a challenge that humans may never realize. The galaxy? Bots. Von Neumann machines.

" A "Von Neumann machine" generally refers to either the foundational architecture that powers almost all modern computers, or theoretical self-replicating probes capable of reproducing themselves using raw materials."