How do you prove you are a US Citizens if you do not have a birth certificate?

[westwall]

My housekeeper ask me this. Her mother was a migrant farm worker. Soon after her birth another family unofficially adopted her. She believes she was born in August 1998 in Southern California or Arizona but she is not sure. She is afraid to go to an immigration office because ICE is monitoring the offices. She ask me if there was a state or national database where she can search for her birth certificate.

A Letter of No Record.

 

[Jarlaxle]

By Law, anyone born in the United States is issued a Birth Certificate when they are born and a Death Certificate when they die. Unless her mother gave birth to her in a corn field or a gas station restroom she has a birth certificate.

Many people had no birth certificates-of my four grandparents, two never had birth certificates. It used to be quite common.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I don't. Do you carry your birth certificate with you?

How do they ID youdumbfuck? REMEMBER YOUMAGATARDS don't want a hearing.

If ICE arrests you right ******* now, they can deport you
.

Are you playing stupid?

Your wife should contact the state department. I was in a similar situation forty years ago when attempting to obtain a passport. I was born in a military hospital in Japan and lost my birth certificate. I wrote the state department and received a copy of my birth certificate in the mail.

Yes-like my sister (born in Germany), you have a Consulate Record of Birth Abroad...though I recall she had to get one from the DoD.

 

[Dekster]

If you are being detained by ICE, I don't think that will work simple because there are quotas to meet and ICE doesn't keep detainees around very long. However, those are good ideas to pursue before you are stopped.

If your friend is detained by ICE then odds are she already knew she was illegal and was looking for a way to get a birth certificate.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Are you playing stupid?

Zinc never plays.

 

[Concerned American]

Are you playing stupid?

Yes-like my sister (born in Germany), you have a Consulate Record of Birth Abroad...though I recall she had to get one from the DoD.

Seems like I had three at one time. One from the DoD (hospital), one from the Dept. of State and a consular report.

 

[MarathonMike]

Oh look, a Dim doesn't like something in the Trump Administration and makes a Nazi analogy. That never happens, right?

Nazi references from Trump Haters are as constant as the sunrise. They are a group-think collective. That's why all of their posts sound like they are pumped out of ChatGPT.

 

[martybegan]

If don't have proper documentation or know where it is , the less you say to ICE the better.

Only if you are an illegal.

 

[Vastator]

Have her call this number 1-866-347-2423, and explain her situation. Have her give the nice lady on the other end of the phone her address. They'll usually send a representative out quite promptly to help her sort this kind of thing out. They're here to help. They are one of the most helpful non-profit organizations. It's what they do.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Only if you are an illegal.

That actually advice any defense attorney will tell you. Don't talk!

 

[marvin martian]

Actually, it happens quite a bit as King Trump exercises his powers.

"King Trump".

Remind me who won your party's primary election last year?

 

[Eman623]

There is no central database of birth certificates in the US and most state, county and city birth certificate records are not online. However, they can be validate if you have one in hand.

It is now the responsibility of the detainee to show proof of legal residency. Prior to Trump, it was ICE's job to determine if you are here legally. ICE's job now is to apprehend those suspected of being in the country illegally and hold them for deportation. There will be a deportation hearing for the group scheduled to be deportation. At that hearing, the judge ask is there any proof showing legal residency in the US. If you have none, you are deported. Fast, efficient, and very prone to error. You may still request a hearing, however the chance of getting a hearing is pretty remote.

What is being done is contrary to our immigration laws and the constitution. The court is allowing Trump to do this because of he has declared National emergency at the border. Challenges to constitutionality is defended using various enemy alien acts that go back as for as 200 years.

If you look illegal, you better have proof on you.

And the race card comes out. My bad for taking your OP seriously.

 

[martybegan]

That actually advice any defense attorney will tell you. Don't talk!

If you are a citizen it is a matter of fact. This is one time you talk all you can.

 

[Zincwarrior]

If you are a citizen it is a matter of fact. This is one time you talk all you can.

Nope. You are required to give your ID if there is reasonable suspicion. Thats all you should do. They have to prove you are not a legal citizen. My Real ID prima facae proves I am a US citizen.

AI summary:
Arrest:

• Probable Cause:
  ICE must have a reasonable belief, supported by facts, that someone is removable before they can arrest them.
• Neutral Review:
  In some cases, the probable cause determination is reviewed by a neutral party, especially for detainers issued by officers in the Central District of California.
  

Deportation Proceedings:

• Government's Burden:
  In immigration court, the government (ICE) has the burden of proving that an individual is removable by clear and convincing evidence, says the American Immigration Council.
  
• Alienage:
  The government must first establish that the individual is not a U.S. citizen (alienage).
  
• Removability:
  If the person is considered an "arriving alien" (seeking admission), they must prove they are admissible. If they are already considered admitted, the government must prove they are removable, according to the American Immigration Council.
  
• Clear and Convincing Evidence:
  This means the evidence presented must be more likely to be true than untrue.
  
• Types of Evidence:
  Evidence in deportation cases can include documents like birth certificates, green cards, and court records, as well as witness testimony.

 

[Flopper]

Well you shouldn't be able to, not without other forms of verification.

Allowing illegals to get documents is why we are in this fucked up situation right now to begin with.

Can she register with USCIS for DACA status?

Don't know about USCIS but she is not eligible for DACA because she claims she was born in US.

 

[Rawley]

Prior to Trump, it was ICE's job to determine if you are here legally.

Nope. Burden has always been on the detainee

 

[Papageorgio]

My housekeeper ask me this. Her mother was a migrant farm worker. Soon after her birth another family unofficially adopted her. She believes she was born in August 1998 in Southern California or Arizona but she is not sure. She is afraid to go to an immigration office because ICE is monitoring the offices. She ask me if there was a state or national database where she can search for her birth certificate.

If she was born in the United States, she wouldn’t need to go to an immigration office. It would be at the state capitol of the state they were born.

I just got a replica of my birth certificate by contacting the state I was born in, I didn’t need to contact immigration at all.

 

[Papageorgio]

Or course I'm not OK with it. It has become necessary due our deeply flawed immigration system that Trump has replaced with dictates from a tyrannical leader.

People like my housekeeper and her two kids who have not violated our laws will probably suffer. If she just had 5 million dollar she could get a Trump 5 million dollar residents card.

If she is here illegally, she has violated our laws, why did she wait 27 years to take care of this matter and why didn’t her parents give her the information of state, day and county?

 

[martybegan]

Nope. You are required to give your ID if there is reasonable suspicion. Thats all you should do. They have to prove you are not a legal citizen. My Real ID prima facae proves I am a US citizen.

AI summary:
Arrest:

• Probable Cause:
  ICE must have a reasonable belief, supported by facts, that someone is removable before they can arrest them.
• Neutral Review:
  In some cases, the probable cause determination is reviewed by a neutral party, especially for detainers issued by officers in the Central District of California.

Deportation Proceedings:

• Government's Burden:
  In immigration court, the government (ICE) has the burden of proving that an individual is removable by clear and convincing evidence, says the American Immigration Council.
• Alienage:
  The government must first establish that the individual is not a U.S. citizen (alienage).
• Removability:
  If the person is considered an "arriving alien" (seeking admission), they must prove they are admissible. If they are already considered admitted, the government must prove they are removable, according to the American Immigration Council.
• Clear and Convincing Evidence:
  This means the evidence presented must be more likely to be true than untrue.
• Types of Evidence:
  Evidence in deportation cases can include documents like birth certificates, green cards, and court records, as well as witness testimony.

"Says the American Immigration council"

The same ones who advocate for open borders and tell people to claim asylum because it's the one that allows you to stay longer.

"Hey let's ask the KKK about how to celebrate Juneteenth while we are at it"

 

[Concerned American]

"Hey let's ask the KKK about how to celebrate Juneteenth while we are at it"

You mean June Nineteenth? I refuse to promote ignorance and ebonics.