How do we Know Human are Causing Climate Change?

[Crick]

The taxpayer funded "peer-reviewed" studies you speak are only funded if they return a bullshit conclusion about Co2. Their funding should be zeroed out.

And you know this how? Do you work for a science journal? Are you an active researcher?

To a PARROT, only PARROTING is allowed. There is no THINKING.

When I go through these studies I see all manner of thinking going on. Where I don't see any thinking going on is every single post you've ever put up here.

Asking a question about WHY there is ice on Greenland south of the Arctic Circle, and no ice north of the Arctic Circle in Alaska, that is not allowed unless there is a taxpayer funded "study" that links it to Co2 via FUDGE and FRAUD....

You've asked the question and it has been answered on multiple occasions. But you choose to ignore the answers.

WE are waiting for YOUR EXPLANATION, genius...

I don't need to explain a fucking thing when your premise has been clearly refuted by multiple posters here.

My conclusions come from THE DATA and the actual practice of SCIENCE, not PARROTING...

WHAT DATA and WHOSE PRACTICE OF SCIENCE? Because from all appearances it seems to be YOU drawing conclusions from a SINGLE article that actually states the data you want to use is completely bogus. YOUR ARTICLE. You've never even found an article that says its good. Not one.

And that DATA includes highly correlated satellite and balloon data showing precisely NO WARMING in the atmosphere despite rising Co2, because

Co2 does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING = THE DATA

You're so confident of your claims yet you will not argue the facts. You won't discuss the greenhouse effect. You won't discuss the absorption spectrum of CO2. You won't discuss the timeline of AGW vs the timeline of tectonic movement. You can't identify a single person who still accepts the data that you claim to be the only valid temperature data in existence.

 

[EMH]

I don't need to explain a fucking thing

Because YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN IT

Co2 does NOTHING


Greenland froze while North America thawed and Co2 had NOTHING to do with either event.

Same thing as the satellite and balloon data

Co2 does NOTHING

 

[jc456]

And you know this how? Do you work for a science journal? Are you an active researcher?

That's simple, from scientists who aren't taxpayer funded. BTW, Why is it only their comments are good and those others aren't? Can you explain?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It requires continuous land, moron. It is now an ISLAND surrounded by WATER = DUH....

Where was their continuous land from the North pole 100,000 years ago you silly twat?

Or 1,000,000 years ago? DURR

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Greenland froze while North America thawed and Co2 had NOTHING to do with either event.

If Greenland thawed while North America froze, that would be weird.
Why does the reverse surprise you?
Is it because you're a moron?

 

[EMH]

Where was their continuous land from the North pole 100,000 years ago you silly twat?

Or 1,000,000 years ago? DURR

No, possibly 1 million but that seems aggressive, almost certainly not 100k, but how much time does it take 5+ million cubic miles of ice on northern North America to melt??

There are claims the North American ice age glaciers were over 2 miles thick (which takes millions of years to get that thick aka Antarctica but not Greenland, not YET). Those do not melt overnight....

Yellowstone ash map outlines ice at around 620k years ago, much like the North American Ice Age maps show. Precisely when that ice sheet started to decrease is admittedly speculative and clearly is tied to shutting off North America from Ellesmere "Island" which is still manufacturing ice.

 

[EMH]

If Greenland thawed while North America froze, that would be weird.
Why does the reverse surprise you?
Is it because you're a moron?

If the tectonic plate movement reversed course, that would happen. But what we observe is that NA is moving SW and has for approximately the past 30 million years. The tectonic growth of the Arctic Ocean is also having an effect, and periodically releases a lot of heat on the bottom of the Arctic Ocean....

Volcanoes Erupt Beneath Arctic Ice

Underwater volcanoes show evidence of explosive eruptions.

www.livescience.com

We've only observed these heat releases and what they do to sea ice -2005 and 2007- for 50 or so years. The warmers got an 87F Arctic sea surface reading chasing seismic activity a few years ago.

It is entirely possible that the ice between Ellesmere and Queen Elizabeth Islands was melted by a much larger such heat release than we have observed over a puny 50 year time period. When that happened is speculative. Any ideas on how to date it??

 

[jc456]

If the tectonic plate movement reversed course, that would happen. But what we observe is that NA is moving SW and has for approximately the past 30 million years. The tectonic growth of the Arctic Ocean is also having an effect, and periodically releases a lot of heat on the bottom of the Arctic Ocean....

Volcanoes Erupt Beneath Arctic Ice

Underwater volcanoes show evidence of explosive eruptions.

www.livescience.com

We've only observed these heat releases and what they do to sea ice -2005 and 2007- for 50 or so years. The warmers got an 87F Arctic sea surface reading chasing seismic activity a few years ago.

It is entirely possible that the ice between Ellesmere and Queen Elizabeth Islands was melted by a much larger such heat release than we have observed over a puny 50 year time period. When that happened is speculative. Any ideas on how to date it??

I like the explanation in this video.

 

[EMH]

I like the explanation in this video.

Unfortunately my PC sound is out. I could watch but I can't hear....

 

[jc456]

Unfortunately my PC sound is out. I could watch but I can't hear....

closed caption

 

[EMH]

closed caption

OK, I do have that feature...

 

[EMH]

That ocean temps chart is really coastal dominated, and does show a long term flat line with noise.

Noise should not be confused with the driver of Earth CLIMATE, not weather.

Think of Earth as having 2 "air conditioning units" that also cool water, Arctic and Antarctic, each with settings 0 = off and 10 = maxCOOL

Right now, Antarctic is set at 9 and Arctic is set at 1. AA dumps 9 times the ice into the oceans vs Arctic (57 times what Mississippi river dumps into Gulf H20 count). Air that passes over AA cools 50F more than air that passes over Arctic.

Until those setting change, the CLIMATE will not, and "noise" is noise like the 2005 hurricane season...

Antarctica 90% of Earth ice
Greenland 7% of Earth ice
Ellesmere Island 0.3% of Earth ice


LAND MOVES

 

[jc456]

There IS WARMING of the ATMOSPHERE.

where?

 

[EMH]

There IS WARMING of the ATMOSPHERE

Not according to the highly correlated satellite and balloon data, before your heroes FUDGED BOTH with uncorrelated "corrections" to save the fraud from the real verdict

THEORY REJECTED

Key claim against global warming evaporates

Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.

www.nbcnews.com

satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling.

Scientists were left with two choices: either the atmosphere wasn't warming up, or FUDGE THE DATA AND KEEP LYING AND BILKING THE TAXPAYER

The OCEANS are WARMING

but not causing a breakout in Cane Activity, which is laughable.

Oceans NOT WARMING because if they were THERE WOULD BE A CANE BREAKOUT

ICE IS MELTING

Dubious claim again from FUDGE and FRAUD


Actual data from 90% of Earth ice on Antarctica

NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses

A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

www.nasa.gov

the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.




LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DATA AND FUDGE

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No, possibly 1 million but that seems aggressive, almost certainly not 100k, but how much time does it take 5+ million cubic miles of ice on northern North America to melt??

There are claims the North American ice age glaciers were over 2 miles thick (which takes millions of years to get that thick aka Antarctica but not Greenland, not YET). Those do not melt overnight....

Yellowstone ash map outlines ice at around 620k years ago, much like the North American Ice Age maps show. Precisely when that ice sheet started to decrease is admittedly speculative and clearly is tied to shutting off North America from Ellesmere "Island" which is still manufacturing ice.

No, possibly 1 million but that seems aggressive,

Show me that continuous land from the North pole 1,000,000 years ago.

2 miles thick (which takes millions of years to get that thick

Link?

 

[jc456]

Not according to the highly correlated satellite and balloon data, before your heroes FUDGED BOTH with uncorrelated "corrections" to save the fraud from the real verdict

THEORY REJECTED

Key claim against global warming evaporates

Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.

www.nbcnews.com

satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling.

Scientists were left with two choices: either the atmosphere wasn't warming up, or FUDGE THE DATA AND KEEP LYING AND BILKING THE TAXPAYER



but not causing a breakout in Cane Activity, which is laughable.

Oceans NOT WARMING because if they were THERE WOULD BE A CANE BREAKOUT





Dubious claim again from FUDGE and FRAUD


Actual data from 90% of Earth ice on Antarctica

NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses

A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

www.nasa.gov

the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.




LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DATA AND FUDGE

 

[EMH]

No, possibly 1 million but that seems aggressive,

Show me that continuous land from the North pole 1,000,000 years ago.

2 miles thick (which takes millions of years to get that thick

Link?

great lakes glaciers - Google Search

www.google.com

It's estimated that the glacier was nearly 2.5 miles thick.Nov 5, 2021



When did the water between Ellesmere and Queen Elizabeth islands become water? We've had this discussion 11 times.

Within the past 5 million years....

above became below

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

great lakes glaciers - Google Search

www.google.com

It's estimated that the glacier was nearly 2.5 miles thick.Nov 5, 2021



When did the water between Ellesmere and Queen Elizabeth islands become water? We've had this discussion 11 times.

Within the past 5 million years....

above became below

When did the water between Ellesmere and Queen Elizabeth islands become water? We've had this discussion 11 times.

Water isn't continuous land.

 

[EMH]

When did the water between Ellesmere and Queen Elizabeth islands become water? We've had this discussion 11 times.

Water isn't continuous land.

No but the glaciers DIG. And they DIG THEMSELVES WELL BELOW SEA LEVEL... for the 4th time...

And they stay GLACIER below SEA LEVEL as is the case on AA and Greenland today....


This one of AA also clearly shows AA and South America attached recently...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No but the glaciers DIG. And they DIG THEMSELVES WELL BELOW SEA LEVEL... for the 4th time...

And they stay GLACIER below SEA LEVEL as is the case on AA and Greenland today....


This one of AA also clearly shows AA and South America attached recently...

The glaciers dug under the water to create continuous land?