Zone1 How Do We Forgive Our Enemies When Some People Are Just Plain Evil?

[Donald H]

Garbage post. God sees a person's heart. Donald in Canada cannot.

The make believe god wouldn't see any hearts, he would obviously know that it's the brain he needs to see. Thankfully he sees nothing and isn't even real.

I see neither.

 

[The Irish Ram]

And who told you that?

We know that, because we have eyes and ears. While the left is doing everything it can to sully Kirk's name and message, those who did hear his message loved it, him, and what he stood for. He replaced hate with love. He showed them the importance of a God they were never taught about, and how family is such a wonderful thing. They want what he lived.
Hordes are coming to Christ to find what Charlie Kirk had. He has not died in vain.

 

[Votto]

The thing is, Erica wasn't really forgiving. She was pretending and was only showing sorrow and rage. And I;m wondering if she will quickly change to inciting violence.

It's something much deeper than forgiveness in America. It's openly demonstrated with the hate for black people and the refusal to bring about change with social remedies.

The kind of love she was speaking of is a choice, not a feeling dimwit.

And who in the hell are you to judge and trash a grieving widow anyway?

 

[buttercup]

So, I don't want to get into specifics with you BUT knowing that you know what I'm talking about, do you still think that I need professional help and need to be in a mental hospital and making this stuff up about being threatened on here? I like the other stuff you said, but I'm just curious is all.

For the sake of clarity, I wasn't the one who said that, it was TK. So, it wasn't something I thought in the first place, necessarily. I did think that you misunderstood g5000's comment. Like I said on the other thread, I think he was just doing an imitation of what HE thought the mindset of Trumpers was. I didn't think it was a death threat to you. (Just my opinion, but I still think he himself should clarify what he meant.) I don't know if anyone else threatened you here, or was that the only incident?

 

[ChristisKing]

For the sake of clarify, I wasn't the one who said that, it was TK. So, it wasn't something I thought in the first place, necessarily. I did think that you misunderstood g5000's comment. Like I said on the other thread, I think he was just doing an imitation of what HE thought the mindset of Trumpers was. I didn't think it was a death threat to you. (Just my opinion, but I still think he himself should clarify what he meant.) I don't know if anyone else has threatened you here, or was that the only incident?

Nope! The only one but you still don't find that to be suspicious? Ah well, I got a mod willing to listen to me and is looking at this right now but thanks for clarifying that.

 

[gtopa1]

She is a better person than I am.... that's for sure...

Better than #metoo.

Greg

 

[Votto]

I really don't know how Erika Kirk did it. There are people on the left who are just plain demonic. They want us Republicans dead and are celebrating and glorifying the death of another and,... I'm supposed to love these demons?

There are Biblically different kinds of love. The kind of love Erica was talking about was agape, which is a Greek term. This sort of love is a choice and has nothing to do with how you "feel" about them, rather, it is simply treating a human being made in the image of God with the due respect they deserve for simply being human.

Read 1 Corinthians 13 to see how Paul describes agape love. The KGV uses the term "charity" instead of love, however, but they both refer to agape love in the Greek.

Jesus gave the example of the Good Samaritan as an example. The story goes that a Jewish man lay dying on the side of the road, as his fellow Jews passed by without trying to help him, even though he was one of them, which included a rabbi. However, a Samaritan, who were natural enemies of the Jews, passed by and stopped to help the man.

There was no verbal exchanges between the two, as they were total strangers and natural enemies, but he stopped to help him anyway and took him to an inn. There he gave the innkeeper money to nurse him back to health, which he did.

Again, there was no communication between the two, thus no opportunities for "feelings" to get in the way of liking him or hating him personally. And Jesus purposefully chose a natural enemy of the Jewish man for the story as well.

That is the kind of love Erica is referring too.

 

[Quantrill]

I don't know as it's all extremely confusing for me. I'm pretty sure that Jesus says that we need to love our enemies.




Don't you just love it when non-Christians think that they can define Christianity?

It's confusing because you don't know the Scripture.

Apparently, you believe the left does define Christianity as you seem always 'confused'.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Hate is a heavy burden to carry. It make sense to forgive and move on but it takes strength and courage and Erika has both.

Hate is no problem to bear when you hate the things God hates.

Quantrill

 

[ChristisKing]

There are Biblically different kinds of love. The kind of love Erica was talking about was agape, which is a Greek term. This sort of love is a choice and has nothing to do with how you "feel" about them, rather, it is simply treating a human being made in the image of God with the due respect they deserve for simply being human.

Read 1 Corinthians 13 to see how Paul describes agape love. The KGV uses the term "charity" instead of love, however, but they both refer to agape love in the Greek.

Jesus gave the example of the Good Samaritan as an example. The story goes that a Jewish man lay dying on the side of the road, as his fellow Jews passed by without trying to help him, even though he was one of them, which included a rabbi. However, a Samaritan, who were natural enemies of the Jews, passed by and stopped to help the man.

There was no verbal exchanges between the two, as they were total strangers and natural enemies, but he stopped to help him anyway and took him to an inn. There he gave the innkeeper money to nurse him back to health, which he did.

Again, there was no communication between the two, thus no opportunities for "feelings" to get in the way of liking him or hating him personally. And Jesus purposefully chose a natural enemy of the Jewish man for the story as well.

That is the kind of love Erica is referring too.

Define a human. Biologically? Emotionally? As in what sense do you define a human?

 

[The Irish Ram]

The make believe god wouldn't see any hearts, he would obviously know that it's the brain he needs to see. Thankfully he sees nothing and isn't even real.

I see neither.

Romans 1:26-32 details how God "gives them over" to sinful desires, leading to impurity, lying, dishonoring their bodies, and other sinful behaviors, culminating in a society that not only practices wickedness but also applauds it in others:

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
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We are there. You fit right in...

 

[Votto]

Define a human. Biologically? Emotionally? As in what sense do you define a human?

I am referring to mankind in general.

God said that he made mankind in his image, which makes us different from the animal kingdom.

When I talk about emotions, this is how most view love, you have feeling another human being.

There are other Greek words for this which include love of a spouse, and a child, and a friend, etc.

Really, the English version of love is woefully inadequate as the Greek term is what is needed for clarification

Agan, the agape love is simply treating people the way you would want to be treated and has nothing to do with if you like them or hate them.

That aside, there are simply people on this rock you just can't stand to be around, for various reasons. This is not a sin. However, not treating them the way you would want to be treated is a sin.

 

[ChristisKing]

I am referring to mankind in general.

God said that he made mankind in his image, which makes us different from the animal kingdom.

What happens when they're acting like the image of Satan himself though?

 

[Votto]

What happens when they're acting like the image of Satan himself though?

The key is to depersonalize the situation. Their hate is more about them than you.

When Jesus was on the cross, he said, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do."

They were to be pitied as mindless pawns in an evil game of chess, not fully grasping what exactly they had done or the hate that controls them as if they were slaves to it.

That said, there is no mandate for the state to not force them to abide by it's laws, which includes penalties for those evil actions

When Jesus intervened with the woman caught in adultery, for example, he never negated their right to stone her. He simply asked, "He that is without sin, cast the first stone." They just all walked away is all.

 

[Donald H]

Romans 1:26-32 details how God "gives them over" to sinful desires, leading to impurity, lying, dishonoring their bodies, and other sinful behaviors, culminating in a society that not only practices wickedness but also applauds it in others:

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
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We are there. You fit right in...

IMO there is no god and so a discussion with you is a waste of our time.

 

[ChristisKing]

When Jesus was on the cross, he said, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do."

That's the thing. I never understood when Jesus said this. They knew very well what they were doing. Tyler Robinson knew very well what he was doing. When somebody murders another person they know very well what they're doing. They just don't care.

 

[Meathead]

The thing is, Erica wasn't really forgiving. She was pretending and was only showing sorrow and rage. And I;m wondering if she will quickly change to inciting violence.

It's something much deeper than forgiveness in America. It's openly demonstrated with the hate for black people and the refusal to bring about change with social remedies.

My God, I'd hate to be you.

 

[Votto]

That's the thing. I never understood when Jesus said this. They knew very well what they were doing. Tyler Robinson knew very well what he was doing. When somebody murders another person they know very well what they're doing. They just don't care.

Yes, they did know that they were killing a man on a cross, but no, they had no idea who and what he actually was.

You would have to be a fool if you thought that you were trying to murder the actual Son of God of the entire universe that, in reality, you can never really kill in the end and instead be held accountable for it.

In fact, did they even see it as murder? Christ died right beside a murderer, so to me that is just capital punishment and not murder. Maybe they saw Christ as one in the same.

Jesus also said that he laid down his life and that no man takes it from him.

Considering all these things, should they be held to full account?

Only God will be their judge.

 

[ChristisKing]

Yes, they did know that they were killing a man on a cross, but no, they had no idea who and what he actually was.

You would have to be a fool if you thought that you were trying to murder the actual Son of God of the entire universe that, in reality, you can never really kill in the end and instead be held accountable for it.

In fact, did they even see it as murder? Christ died right beside a murderer, so to me that is just capital punishment and not murder. Maybe they saw Christ as one in the same.

I see what you're saying but how did Jesus deserve capital punishment when He didn't commit any crimes?

 

[Votto]

I see what you're saying but how did Jesus deserve capital punishment when He didn't commit any crimes?

He took on the sins of those around him, including the men dying on the cross beside him.