Zone1 How Do We Forgive Our Enemies When Some People Are Just Plain Evil?

[ChristisKing]

The widow Kirk forgiving her husband’s murderer is definitely inspiring and not something most of us could do.

You segueing that into calling democrats “demons”, on the other hand, just makes you a shitty person.

Obviously not all democrats, but what else do you call somebody who advocates for murder and glorifies it?

 

[Quantrill]

I really don't know how Erika Kirk did it. There are people on the left who are just plain demonic. They want us Republicans dead and are celebrating and glorifying the death of another and,... I'm supposed to love these demons?

You are using (Matt. 5:44) to 'love your enemies'. (Matt. 5:44) is not directed to the Church. The Church hasn't even started at this time. And the Sermon on the Mount, which is where this is from, is not the law governing the Church. It is the law of the future kingdom, where Christ is present in Jerusalem ruling over Israel and the world as total Dictator. Who will bring swift judgement upon sin. Only then can such a law be obeyed.

So, you are under no law to love your enemies. If God's Spirit leads you to, so be it. But you are under no law to do so.

The Mosaic law says thou shalt not kill. But as a soldier in a war, what does he do with that? And Israel under the Mosaic law killed all kinds of enemies, as directed by God to do so.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

And why is that? Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus. If you can't accept what he taught, then you aren't a Christian.

Actually Christianity is based more upon the teachings of the Resurrected Jesus give to Paul. During Christ's earthly ministry He ministered mostly to the Jews under law.

You need to pay attention to who is being addressed.

Quantrill

 

[BULLDOG]

They'll stop when the money dries up. Radicals like today's left need money to protest and fight for the globalists that support them. When the globalist money dries up, the left will look for the next grift.

 

[Moonglow]

Obviously not all democrats, but what else do you call somebody who advocates for murder and glorifies it?

Like when Trump killed Iranians bombing non-existent nukes?

 

[Quantrill]

And why is that? Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus. If you can't accept what he taught, then you aren't a Christian.

That's bull. I don't struggle with it at all. Why, because I can discern what Scripture is being addressed and to who it is being addressed.

You don't know what a Christian is and thus have no authority to say who is and who is not a Christian.

Quantrill

 

[BULLDOG]

Obviously not all democrats, but what else do you call somebody who advocates for murder and glorifies it?

Brian Kilmeade

 

[ChristisKing]

You are using (Matt. 5:44) to 'love your enemies'. (Matt. 5:44) is not directed to the Church. The Church hasn't even started at this time. And the Sermon on the Mount, which is where this is from, is not the law governing the Church. It is the law of the future kingdom, where Christ is present in Jerusalem ruling over Israel and the world as total Dictator. Who will bring swift judgement upon sin. Only then can such a law be obeyed.

So, you are under no law to love your enemies. If God's Spirit leads you to, so be it. But you are under no law to do so.

The Mosaic law says thou shalt not kill. But as a soldier in a war, what does he do with that? And Israel under the Mosaic law killed all kinds of enemies, as directed by God to do so.

Quantrill

I don't know as it's all extremely confusing for me. I'm pretty sure that Jesus says that we need to love our enemies.

That's bull. I don't struggle with it at all. Why, because I can discern what Scripture is being addressed and to who it is being addressed.

You don't know what a Christian is and thus have no authority to say who is and who is not a Christian.

Quantrill

Don't you just love it when non-Christians think that they can define Christianity?

 

[Rawley]

The thing is, Erica wasn't really forgiving. She was pretending and was only showing sorrow and rage. And I;m wondering if she will quickly change to inciting violence.

It's something much deeper than forgiveness in America. It's openly demonstrated with the hate for black people and the refusal to bring about change with social remedies.

Atta boy. Shit on the widow that hasn't even buried her husband. Excellent look for your party.

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't know as it's all extremely confusing for me. I'm pretty sure that Jesus says that we need to love our enemies.




Don't you just love it when non-Christians think that they can define Christianity?

You defined Christianity. I just pointed out your hypocrisy.

 

[ChristisKing]

Atta boy. Shit on the widow that hasn't even buried her husband. Excellent look for your party.

I've seen worse recently believe me. People on here wanting to urinate on Charlie Kirk's grave and take the rest of MAGA out. I nearly left but again I know people who know people and the administrator just came online and I notified him about this. This message board isn't going to receive a cent from me until this lack of moderation problem gets taken care of.

 

[BULLDOG]

Atta boy. Shit on the widow that hasn't even buried her husband. Excellent look for your party.

You mean the hateful jerk that got rich by shitting on everyone who wasn't just like him>

 

[The Irish Ram]

I really don't know how Erika Kirk did it. There are people on the left who are just plain demonic. They want us Republicans dead and are celebrating and glorifying the death of another and,... I'm supposed to love these demons?

We are called to pray for our enemies. We pray God's will for them. King David murdered a friend so he could have sex with the guy's wife. But not only was he not a demon, God called David the apple of His eye.
Praying God's will for others leaves us off the hook and gives the judgment robe back to Jesus, who died for the sins of David, and the murderer of Kirk. Let Christ decide who to salvage and who not to. When Christ told the disciples about their futures, they asked about John's future. He told them it was none of their business. What God has in store for another is really none of our business.
We can ask God, if it is His will, to soften hearts and hope for the Holy Spirit to convict those who have no love, and just leave the rest to the Lord to work out...

 

[ChristisKing]

We are called to pray for our enemies. We pray God's will for them. King David murdered a friend so he could have sex with the guy's wife. But not only was he not a demon, God called David the apple of His eye.
Praying God's will for others leaves us off the hook and gives the judgment robe back to Jesus, who died for the sins of David, and the murderer of Kirk. Let Christ decide who to salvage and who not to. When Christ told the disciples about their futures, they asked about John's future. He told them it was none of their business. What God has in store for another is really none of our business.
We can ask God, if it is His will, to soften hearts and hope for the Holy Spirit to convict those who have no love, and just leave the rest to the Lord to work out...

So in other words loving our enemies doesn't mean that we have to send them flowers right? As I don't really have warm and fuzzy feelings towards people who want me dead, especially when they come right out and admit it!

 

[The Irish Ram]

So in other words looks like even the biggest Bible believing Christians are struggling with this. Jesus forgave the guts crucifying Him though and I already know that I couldn't do that.

Then ask God to soften your heart. Your Christian walk is between you and God. Just the 2 of you. What someone else does is between them and God.
I thought about Erica forgiving the murderer. I could forgive the demise of a husband or other family member, but knowing what he has done to her children, I don't think I could forgive that. Not without a lot of prayer. A whole lot of prayer. And then some more prayer, because my mind and my heart are saying 2 different things.

 

[Rambunctious]

This is giving us all Kirk-fatigue..

 

[Rambunctious]

But first, you’ll have turn off the computer and get out of Mom’s basement.

By battle I mean this...
High Schools are now setting up turning point chapters all across the USA....

 

[ChristisKing]

Then ask God to soften your heart. Your Christian walk is between you and God. Just the 2 of you. What someone else does is between them and God.
I thought about Erica forgiving the murderer. I could forgive the demise of a husband or other family member, but knowing what he has done to her children, I don't think I could forgive that. Not without a lot of prayer. A whole lot of prayer. And then some more prayer, because my mind and my heart are saying 2 different things.

Soften my heart to people who want to murder me and want me dead? Ummm.... I'll get back to you on that one because I just don't see how I can do that. I don't even think that prayer is going to cut it for me on this one I'm afraid. I would love for it to be able to but I just don't think that it can be done.

 

[Leo123]

Hate is a heavy burden to carry. It make sense to forgive and move on but it takes strength and courage and Erika has both.

 

[ChristisKing]

Hate is a heavy burden to carry. It make sense to forgive and move on but it takes strength and courage and Erika has both.

Yeah that usually works out all good and all but what if people want you dead and or trying to kill you!?