Zone1 How Do We Forgive Our Enemies When Some People Are Just Plain Evil?

[ChristisKing]

Christisking, is Trump evil for what he did to immigrant children. Does your God have favorites or are these children not God's children?

Trump's Evil Immigration Plan Just Got More Diabolical

Tim Miller talks to Aaron Reichlin-Melnick about how the Trump administration is aggressively deporting immigrants not to their home countries, but to unfamiliar third countries—often places facing severe unrest.

www.thebulwark.com

This thread is not about Trump or immigration. Stop deflecting.

 

[Donald H]

Erika forgave Tyler for taking Charlie's life--and that spans a broad spectrum, from which little darts or pinpricks may emerge. When a mother sees her child hurting, such a prick may strike. Her forgiveness of Tyler (which is tremendous, by the way) can lead into yet unknown territory. Erika's forgiveness of Tyler may not (later) comfort her older child's hurts--and that hurts a mother. It's complicated. Erika is strong, and whatever strikes, I am confident she can work her way through and out of it. She should continue to rely on God's strength--and my bet is that she will.

Erica has to demonstrate that she's willing to build on that message.

Has she started yet. Time is running and the whole incident will tend to be forgotten as the next political shooting takes its place.

How can Erica truly forgive the shooter? Recommend removing the death penalty so that he has an opportunity to repent to your god?

Or would she prefer revenge? It's an important question that she can't afford to brush off!
How about you? Do you feel forgiving?

You'll learn from my comments that I've forgiven Charlie.

 

[Frankenstein]

Christisking, is Trump evil for what he did to immigrant children. Does your God have favorites or are these children not God's children?

Trump's Evil Immigration Plan Just Got More Diabolical

Tim Miller talks to Aaron Reichlin-Melnick about how the Trump administration is aggressively deporting immigrants not to their home countries, but to unfamiliar third countries—often places facing severe unrest.

www.thebulwark.com

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Christisking, is Trump evil for what he did to immigrant children. Does your God have favorites or are these children not God's children?

Trump's Evil Immigration Plan Just Got More Diabolical

Tim Miller talks to Aaron Reichlin-Melnick about how the Trump administration is aggressively deporting immigrants not to their home countries, but to unfamiliar third countries—often places facing severe unrest.

www.thebulwark.com

What a stupid question, he is upholding the law. Biden was for allowing 350,000 to go missing!

 

[Quantrill]

Christisking, is Trump evil for what he did to immigrant children. Does your God have favorites or are these children not God's children?

Trump's Evil Immigration Plan Just Got More Diabolical

Tim Miller talks to Aaron Reichlin-Melnick about how the Trump administration is aggressively deporting immigrants not to their home countries, but to unfamiliar third countries—often places facing severe unrest.

www.thebulwark.com

Oh yes, God has favorites. His children are His favorites. And those that are not His children mean nothing to Him as He knows whose children they are.

No, Trump is not evil for doing what he does to all illegal immigrants. Why should he be?

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Erica has to demonstrate that she's willing to build on that message.

Has she started yet. Time is running and the whole incident will tend to be forgotten as the next political shooting takes its place.

How can Erica truly forgive the shooter? Recommend removing the death penalty so that he has an opportunity to repent to your god?

No, that is going against God. Erika should say, if she does forgive the murderer, 'I forgive you, yet I am going to watch them shoot you like a dog, as you shot my husband'. 'Can't wait to see that body of yours go limp to the ground'.

And here's hoping the shooters are not quite so accurate, putting one through the neck and others to the gut.

Oh well.

Quantrill

 

[buttercup]

Yeah. I think it's probably time to ditch this place as well. It's pretty much the worst of the worst these days. Bottom of the barrel.

Yeah, you know how I feel about it all. But like a dummy, I'm still here, lol. At least today anyway. But I've quit this place before and I know I can do it again. Especially if the few good posters who in my view post things that are interesting and relevant quit....leaving nothing but the never-ending red vs blue back and forth pecker waving. That would be the last thing I need in my life.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The Law of the Creator is that murderers should be killed.
When people wimp out and forgive murderers, they are saying that they are more righteous than Al Yah Shua....Christ.

Jesus doesn't understand the "Creator"?

 

[ChristisKing]

Jesus doesn't understand the "Creator"?

For some reason these people can't say Jesus or the Father. Some of them can't even say God. I never call Him the creator. I call Him the Father.

 

[forkintheroad7]

I really don't know how Erika Kirk did it. There are people on the left who are just plain demonic. They want us Republicans dead and are celebrating and glorifying the death of another and,... I'm supposed to love these demons?

Well, you are not required to have loving feelings for them. That is impossible and God knows it's impossible (virtually impossible).

But we are to set feelings of hatred aside and forgive (or let go)

for own sakes--for the sake of our souls since Christ instructed us to forgive. He said that if we don't forgive we will not ourselves be forgiven...

It doesn't mean Erika would be against the death penalty for Robinson. I'm not sure whether she is or not. But if it were me, I would forgive but NOT be opposed to the death penalty. We cannot have people being shot right and left just because a person (ironically) speaks "hate" (as Kirk was accused of)

None of us will have the right of free speech if an example is not made of these kinds of crazy assassins..

 

[forkintheroad7]

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Today's Gospel Reading at Catholic Masses worldwide​

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Luke 16:19-31​

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19 There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen; and feasted sumptuously every day.

20 And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores,

21 Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table, and no one did give him; moreover the dogs came, and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell.

23 And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom:

24 And he cried, and said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame.

25 And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazareth evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented.

26 And besides all this, between us and you, there is fixed a great chaos: so that they who would pass from hence to you, cannot, nor from thence come hither.

27 And he said: Then, father, I beseech thee, that thou wouldst send him to my father's house, for I have five brethren,

28 That he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torments.

29 And Abraham said to him: They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will do penance.

31 And he said to him: If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead.


Me:

My guess is that Lazarus had to forgive the selfish rich man before he died, for not giving him any crumbs from his table.

That had to be very difficult..



He should be in Heaven for that reason alone.

 

[Meriweather]

Well, you are not required to have loving feelings for them. That is impossible and God knows it's impossible (virtually impossible).

But we are to set feelings of hatred aside and forgive (or let go)

for own sakes--for the sake of our souls since Christ instructed us to forgive. He said that if we don't forgive we will not ourselves be forgiven...

It doesn't mean Erika would be against the death penalty for Robinson. I'm not sure whether she is or not. But if it were me, I would forgive but NOT be opposed to the death penalty. We cannot have people being shot right and left just because a person (ironically) speaks "hate" (as Kirk was accused of)

None of us will have the right of free speech if an example is not made of these kinds of crazy assassins..

Love is wanting what is best for another.

The Catholic Church is becoming more and more against the death penalty, preferring life in prison--that no person should be put in the position of taking the life of another who is convicted of murder. Cain is cited as an example of God banishing Cain, but also letting him go free into another land. Today, we have no land on which to banish murders to build a new life for themselves. Cain and his descendants built cities. The main problem I have with being against the death penalty is over whether the death penalty is a deterrent for someone else committing murder. It's a numbers game: How many more murders would some consider committing if there was no chance they would be put to death if caught? We forfeit the life(s) of the innocent(s) so we can pat ourselves on the back for not putting an actual murderer to death?

 

[forkintheroad7]

Love is wanting what is best for another.

The Catholic Church is becoming more and more against the death penalty, preferring life in prison--that no person should be put in the position of taking the life of another who is convicted of murder. Cain is cited as an example of God banishing Cain, but also letting him go free into another land. Today, we have no land on which to banish murders to build a new life for themselves. Cain and his descendants built cities. The main problem I have with being against the death penalty is over whether the death penalty is a deterrent for someone else committing murder. It's a numbers game: How many more murders would some consider committing if there was no chance they would be put to death if caught? We forfeit the life(s) of the innocent(s) so we can pat ourselves on the back for not putting an actual murderer to death?

I'm not sure I understand your last sentence which seems kind of .. non sequitor

but in any case, addressing what I do understand:

The Catholic Church has always been in favor of the death penalty (except when there is doubt as to the guilt of the convicted and a few other rare situations).

You follow the Vatican which is NOT Catholic. I have studied true Catholicism (what the popes before V2 taught ex cathedra...) and what emanates from the Vatican is the very opposite of that. The leaders therein contradict nearly 2000 years of traditional Catholicism. So we have to choose which is the real deal. It's not hard to do if you know the history and official teachings of the CC

(not saying all Catholic Churches in the US or anywhere else are worthless... certainly NOT if the Real Presence is there)

 

[Meriweather]

I'm not sure I understand your last sentence which seems kind of .. non sequitor

but in any case, addressing what I do understand:

The Catholic Church has always been in favor of the death penalty (except when there is doubt as to the guilt of the convicted and a few other rare situations).

You follow the Vatican which is NOT Catholic. I have studied true Catholicism (what the popes before V2 taught ex cathedra...) and what emanates from the Vatican is the very opposite of that. The leaders therein contradict nearly 2000 years of traditional Catholicism. So we have to choose which is the real deal. It's not hard to do if you know the history and official teachings of the CC

(not saying all Catholic Churches in the US or anywhere else are worthless... certainly NOT if the Real Presence is there)

Try doing a deep dive into Papacy down through the ages. The Vatican (you might say the bureaucracy of the Catholic Church) has never been the assembly of the Catholic ChU-Rch. There are many, many good Catholics in the Vatican. The Vatican NEVER has moved people away from the ChURch. Do I agree with everything the Vatican has done? No. But the Vatican has NEVER changed any apostolic tradition or teaching of Christ.

I am old enough to remember when the changes of Vatican II began being implemented. One that bothers me the most is something most people don't even think about, let alone care about. When I was small, the priest led the way to the altar, sometime altar boys just a step behind with the candles. The priest led the way out of church, which happened just a very short time after communion. The purpose/tradition of this at the time is that the priest, representing Jesus, leads the way to the altar where his sacrifice is being offered. After the last blessing, the priest leads the way out of church symbolizing bringing Christ's words and love out into the community.

Today: Altar child altar servers (often girls) lead the way into church, followed by lectors, those who help serve communion, etc. then the deacon(s) and the priest bringing up the rear. The priest and deacons sit near the altar, facing not the altar or the cross, but the congregation like they are on some kind of stage preparing to say their lines instead of facing crucifix/altar to lead the people in prayer and worship. Who leads us out of church? Usually little girls who now make up the majority of altar servers. Should a little child be leading, or should Christ--and the one who represents him--be leading the congregation?

All my life, up until when we returned to church after Covid, I was one of the last people out of church. Now I leave directly after receiving communion. If the priest isn't going to lead.... Seriously, we do have some good priests. However, the priest does so little! Often times it is not even the priest who reads the Gospel or even gives the homily--it is the deacon. One is barely aware of the priest until the Consecration. Further, what did the Church expect when bowing to public opinion about letting little girls become altar servers, often with a woman the head of training altar servers? Boys are no longer interested. This is something I knew would happen--anyone who has any knowledge of little boys and little girls could have foreseen/predicted this.

None of the above affects my life as a Catholic. Catholic teaching is not affected by whether or not a priest leads worship, or whether a priest is barely noticed anymore, because he steps away so more of the Catholic community can be part of leading worship. The Vatican decided "more of the Catholic community", and the last thing I would do is denigrate or withdraw my support from the Pope or the Vatican because I (one person) happens to strongly disagree about the processions into and out of Mass. Every single person has their opinion on every single issue, which is no reason to opt out of the human race. I understand why changes were made; I understand the Catholic faith has worked with differing opinions from the very beginning. Remember Peter not wanting Jesus to go to Jerusalem? Jesus overruled him, went anyway, was put to death....(Peter had good reasons for not wanting Jesus to go to Jerusalem) but Jesus' teachings did not die with him. They rose with him, and Peter was right there to start spreading them throughout the world, gathering people with their own opinions along the way. Some of the greatest of Catholic Saints disagreed with one another. We don't always have to agree with the Vatican, but with the Church, which the Vatican does lead to the best of its own abilities. They have their opinions--just like I have mine.

 

[ChristisKing]

It doesn't mean Erika would be against the death penalty for Robinson. I'm not sure whether she is or not. But if it were me, I would forgive but NOT be opposed to the death penalty. We cannot have people being shot right and left just because a person (ironically) speaks "hate" (as Kirk was accused of)

I forgot to show you this yesterday as apparently Erika's against it.

Thread 'Erika Kirk Isn't Pushing For The Death Penalty'

Sep 26, 2025

I'm not sure why. Aren't all us Christians supposed to be in favor of the law of our land/ the government? Romans 13:1-2 and Leviticus 25:18

Charlie Kirk’s widow says the state should decide the fate of his killer

Tyler Robinson has been formally charged with aggravated murder

www.the-independent.com

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Then I found this today as Charlie wasn't.

 

[NotYankee]

God requires us to forgive all. That is how we become more like him.

But justice cannot be robbed.

So forgive, get out of the way and let eternal justice take care of things. God knows people's hearts and how to judge them. We should not.

The Intention of "Judge not" is not to judge wrongly. Christ also said to carry a sword, because those who kill unjustly should be killed with the sword. If one is a wimp and afraid to correctly judge His assassin, then he agrees with his assassin.

When USA Secretary of State said that killing a million Iraqi children "was worth the Price" she condemned not only herself, but every USA person who supported USA's terrorist war against Iraq.