How can an atheist have morals?

[Igrok_]

furthermore, how atheists could derive the will of living in the face of troubles, when it is much more logically and easier to kill himself and problem is solved. Just like switching terrible movie off or waking up in case of bad dream.

The opposite is true

If you die, you look forward to an afterlife,

When I die, I know everything is over

know? And how do you know that? Give me the proofs. And, secondary, bolded text is still unanswered.

 

[Igrok_]

Most atheists I have talked to in this day and age more or less have a strictly materialist view of the world, and typically say that man is no different than an animal.

This makes me wonder how atheists can logically justify having morals; for example if rape, torture, or murder aided one's own survival or the survival of one's group why should they be off the table?

An atheists morals have more credibility than a believer

An atheists does things because they are the right thing to do......a believer does it because they fear the wrath of god

nope, atheist is seeking the opportunity not to be punished for his sins. Because if nobody saw, it is like nothing bad happened. But! the society lives not upon the laws and police but on the informal behavior of people. That means, that if all people are trying to cheat against each other, there would be only one way of governing: absolute tyranny.

That is what we see in the case of muslims: free and tolerant society which is used to "normal" behavior has nothing against terrorists.

That didnt make sense. Who is going to punish the atheist if they dont believe in god?

Who is stronger than him. For example, government. Or employer. Or neighbor. Atheist may be scary of any thing.

 

[rightwinger]

furthermore, how atheists could derive the will of living in the face of troubles, when it is much more logically and easier to kill himself and problem is solved. Just like switching terrible movie off or waking up in case of bad dream.

The opposite is true

If you die, you look forward to an afterlife,

When I die, I know everything is over

know? And how do you know that? Give me the proofs. And, secondary, bolded text is still unanswered.

You don't believe in an afterlife? Which religion do you belong to?

The bolded text was answered...you just don't like the answer

 

[Igrok_]

furthermore, how atheists could derive the will of living in the face of troubles, when it is much more logically and easier to kill himself and problem is solved. Just like switching terrible movie off or waking up in case of bad dream.

easy normal people want to live. it's an instinct.

bizarre that you think one needs an after life to want to live this one.

very logically, if this life has a great influence on afterlife. What is not logical is that one could fight for living if he knows that he will become nothing in any case.

 

[rightwinger]

My morals are based on altruism......yours are based on fear

If you believe in altruism as a universal moral principle then that means you do believe in some objective values correct?

Mine are superior

Is this provable scientifically or just faith based?

We are talking about God here....all science goes out the window

With your morals you have to face God
With my morals, I have to face myself

Mine are tougher

You stated altruism is a universal law.

This means hypothetically even if "science" showed that rape could provide "the greatest good for the greatest number of people" it would still be wrong right?

So it sounds like you agree that there are some universal existential principles which are unchanging right?

I never claimed altruism as a universal law

It is religions that claim a universal law.

You said that altruism is a higher principle then fear; I assumed this was an absolute statement.

If not then again I don't see how that has any meaning other than your own opinion.

In altruism, I have to answer to my own conscience. I do things because they are the right thing to do

You answer to a fear of Allah

 

[Igrok_]

furthermore, how atheists could derive the will of living in the face of troubles, when it is much more logically and easier to kill himself and problem is solved. Just like switching terrible movie off or waking up in case of bad dream.

The opposite is true

If you die, you look forward to an afterlife,

When I die, I know everything is over

know? And how do you know that? Give me the proofs. And, secondary, bolded text is still unanswered.

You don't believe in an afterlife? Which religion do you belong to?

The bolded text was answered...you just don't like the answer

where are your evidences that "everthing is over" after life?

 

[rightwinger]

furthermore, how atheists could derive the will of living in the face of troubles, when it is much more logically and easier to kill himself and problem is solved. Just like switching terrible movie off or waking up in case of bad dream.

The opposite is true

If you die, you look forward to an afterlife,

When I die, I know everything is over

know? And how do you know that? Give me the proofs. And, secondary, bolded text is still unanswered.

You don't believe in an afterlife? Which religion do you belong to?

The bolded text was answered...you just don't like the answer

where are your evidences that "everthing is over" after life?

Burden of proof of an afterlife is on you

 

[Igrok_]

"g-d-fearing"

always i'm surprised by that behavior if jews. You miss the letter in the word God to obey His commandment, but write this word in small letters and claim that your are not the believer...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Most atheists I have talked to in this day and age more or less have a strictly materialist view of the world, and typically say that man is no different than an animal.

This makes me wonder how atheists can logically justify having morals; for example if rape, torture, or murder aided one's own survival or the survival of one's group why should they be off the table?

Everyone is wondering how anyone whose thread premise fails as both a straw man fallacy and appeal to ignorance fallacy can question anyone else’s logic.

 

[sealybobo]

Most atheists I have talked to in this day and age more or less have a strictly materialist view of the world, and typically say that man is no different than an animal.

This makes me wonder how atheists can logically justify having morals; for example if rape, torture, or murder aided one's own survival or the survival of one's group why should they be off the table?

How many God fearing Viet Nam soldiers raped women? How many Isis God fearing men rape women?

And funny when God fearing Republicans are supporting trump when he approves of torture.

Is God all that stops you from raping? If there was no hell would you go on a rape rampage? Creepy. You must be a sociopath or psychopath

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

how does rape aids ones survival? Do you mean like when God raped Mary to have Jesus?

That's a dumb statement.

Torture and murder? That sounds like it got human all over it. Atheists AND the religious. Look at history.
Morals and religion are not mutually exclusive.

Where do secular morals come from then?

Another appeal to ignorance fallacy.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

Morality is most likely the emergent quality of both the genetics and enculturation of social beings. Morality is simply how one treats others. All social animals display morality. Without morality human societies would've never emerged and, as social beings, morality is imperative for cooperation and therefore survival.

 

[Igrok_]

furthermore, how atheists could derive the will of living in the face of troubles, when it is much more logically and easier to kill himself and problem is solved. Just like switching terrible movie off or waking up in case of bad dream.

The opposite is true

If you die, you look forward to an afterlife,

When I die, I know everything is over

know? And how do you know that? Give me the proofs. And, secondary, bolded text is still unanswered.

You don't believe in an afterlife? Which religion do you belong to?

The bolded text was answered...you just don't like the answer

where are your evidences that "everthing is over" after life?

Burden of proof of an afterlife is on you

don't want to answer the simple question? Unlike you i have never claimed that i know that something is afterlife, but i believe in that. So, if you do not believe, but know something, you have to show evidences. So...

 

[sealybobo]

how does rape aids ones survival? Do you mean like when God raped Mary to have Jesus?

That's a dumb statement.

Torture and murder? That sounds like it got human all over it. Atheists AND the religious. Look at history.
Morals and religion are not mutually exclusive.

Where do secular morals come from then?

Our parents and laws. Unfortunately even us atheists were once brainwashed too. Santa and God knew who was naughty and nice

 

[sealybobo]

how does rape aids ones survival? Do you mean like when God raped Mary to have Jesus?

That's a dumb statement.

Torture and murder? That sounds like it got human all over it. Atheists AND the religious. Look at history.
Morals and religion are not mutually exclusive.

Where do secular morals come from then?

Muslims are told a lie from a very young age. Same with Jews Mormons and Christians.

I love religious people say without religion Wed be murderous animals then say we are better than animals. But only because we are lied to. If we were told the truth Wed turn into animals.

No consequences for rape or murder after you die. Sorry Hitler isn't in hell

 

[rightwinger]

The opposite is true

If you die, you look forward to an afterlife,

When I die, I know everything is over

know? And how do you know that? Give me the proofs. And, secondary, bolded text is still unanswered.

You don't believe in an afterlife? Which religion do you belong to?

The bolded text was answered...you just don't like the answer

where are your evidences that "everthing is over" after life?

Burden of proof of an afterlife is on you

don't want to answer the simple question? Unlike you i have never claimed that i know that something is afterlife, but i believe in that. So, if you do not believe, but know something, you have to show evidences. So...

You can't prove a negative

You believe in an afterlife...that is your hypothesis, not mine

Burden of proof is on you. In the absence of proof of your positive, I assume the negative

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Most atheists I have talked to in this day and age more or less have a strictly materialist view of the world, and typically say that man is no different than an animal.

This makes me wonder how atheists can logically justify having morals; for example if rape, torture, or murder aided one's own survival or the survival of one's group why should they be off the table?

An atheists morals have more credibility than a believer

An atheists does things because they are the right thing to do.....

But what determines right from wrong if one is an atheist or materialist?

.a believer does it because they fear the wrath of god

So you say.

The same thing that determines right from wrong if one is a theist.

 

[Igrok_]

know? And how do you know that? Give me the proofs. And, secondary, bolded text is still unanswered.

You don't believe in an afterlife? Which religion do you belong to?

The bolded text was answered...you just don't like the answer

where are your evidences that "everthing is over" after life?

Burden of proof of an afterlife is on you

don't want to answer the simple question? Unlike you i have never claimed that i know that something is afterlife, but i believe in that. So, if you do not believe, but know something, you have to show evidences. So...

You can't prove a negative

You believe in an afterlife...that is your hypothesis, not mine

Burden of proof is on you. In the absence of proof of your positive, I assume the negative

if you know something, you can prove it. So, i see, that you were lying and believe that there is nothing after life like others believe that there is something. So, let us see now who is right. No so much time to wait though...

 

[sealybobo]

Most atheists I have talked to in this day and age more or less have a strictly materialist view of the world, and typically say that man is no different than an animal.

This makes me wonder how atheists can logically justify having morals; for example if rape, torture, or murder aided one's own survival or the survival of one's group why should they be off the table?

An atheists morals have more credibility than a believer

An atheists does things because they are the right thing to do.....

But what determines right from wrong if one is an atheist or materialist?

.a believer does it because they fear the wrath of god

So you say.

The question you really want to ask is if there isn't a hell what's stopping you from being evil. The answer is nothing. You have free will. But actions have consequences. Atheists feel guilt too

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Most atheists I have talked to in this day and age more or less have a strictly materialist view of the world, and typically say that man is no different than an animal.

This makes me wonder how atheists can logically justify having morals; for example if rape, torture, or murder aided one's own survival or the survival of one's group why should they be off the table?

"Most atheists I have talked to..."

And this fails as a hasty generalization fallacy.

Unless you’ve spoken with every person free from faith on the planet, you have no idea what ‘atheists’ believe or think.