How about this for an AGW Experiment

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A simple experiment on global warming - Journals

https://royalsocietypublishing.org › doi › rsos.192075
Sep 2, 2020 — A simple experiment has been developed to demonstrate the global warming potential of carbon dioxide (CO2) gas in the Earth's atmosphere.
Abstract · ‎Introduction · ‎Experimental design · ‎Theoretical calculations

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Demonstrating the effect of CO2 on global warming
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Carbon Dioxide and the Greenhouse Effect
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Try This Greenhouse Effect Experiment 🌡️ | One Stop ...
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The Greenhouse Gas Demo
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How Exactly Does Carbon Dioxide Cause Global Warming?

https://news.climate.columbia.edu › 2021/02/25 › carbo...
Feb 25, 2021 — The way to discover the “full” effect of CO2 is to look at the past 60+ years of real-time CO2 cause-effects on global temperature and the ...

Lesson 8: How can we show that an increase in CO2 causes ...

https://cires.colorado.edu › sites › default › files
PDF
When there's more CO2 in the atmosphere, it makes the atmosphere warmer by trapping heat. ... In our experiment, we need one bottle where there's more CO2, ...
9 pages

Scientists understood physics of climate change in the 1800s

https://theconversation.com › ...
Jul 22, 2021 — The results of Foote's simple experiments were confirmed through ... power of carbon dioxide gas to absorb heat – the driving force of ...

Greenhouse Effect Demonstration

https://mrcc.purdue.edu › resources › guides › Ho...
PDF
This demonstration will show the effect that increased carbon dioxide has on atmospheric temperature. ... that adding seltzer adds heat somehow.
1 page

2D: Greenhouse Gas Lab - SERC - Carleton

https://serc.carleton.edu › eslabs › weather
Jan 31, 2022 — Show me materials needed for this experiment ... (For the saturated air, carbon dioxide, see above.) For each bottle, prepare a data chart ...

The Greenhouse Effect Experiment and Lesson for Kids

https://www.steampoweredfamily.com › the-greenhouse...
Apr 14, 2021 — In this experiment we are trapping the carbon dioxide gas in the jar. When heat is applied, the carbon dioxide traps more heat in the jar ...

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Have a series of containers at room temperature 80% N2, 19% O2, various trace elements and a wisp of CO2: 0, 280 and 400PPM.

Check the temperatures at room temperature

Then remove the CO2 from the 400PPM container. Recheck the temperature. The temperature in that cylinder should drop by at least 1.5C, right?

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Actually, it won't drop in temperature. You're not changing the pressure in the cylinder.
The real test is to have these cylinders, opaque on each end and pass LWIR through the cylinders. IF CO2 is actually warming the atmosphere the tubes should warm above room temperature. IF we know the volume of the cylinders and the gas concentrations, we should be able to determine the energy that passes through and the energy which is absorbed by the gases.

I did the experiment for my master's degree and wrote papers on it. LWIR passes through the atmosphere absent water vapor (which absorb and create heat). There was no stoppage of energy pass. Only when we reach about 40% humidity was there even a noticed climb in temperature.
 
How about 100 more?
How about you go out and get a brain transplant.


A simple experiment on global warming - Journals

https://royalsocietypublishing.org › doi › rsos.192075
Sep 2, 2020 — A simple experiment has been developed to demonstrate the global warming potential of carbon dioxide (CO2) gas in the Earth's atmosphere.
Abstract · ‎Introduction · ‎Experimental design · ‎Theoretical calculations

Videos​

View attachment 718033
PREVIEW
1:00:30
Demonstrating the effect of CO2 on global warming
YouTube · CEB Cambridge
1 hour, 30 seconds
Apr 2, 2021
View attachment 718034
PREVIEW
3:33
Carbon Dioxide and the Greenhouse Effect
YouTube · MITK12Videos
3 minutes, 33 seconds
Apr 12, 2012
View attachment 718035
PREVIEW
3:50
Try This Greenhouse Effect Experiment 🌡️ | One Stop ...
YouTube · Da Vinci
3 minutes, 50 seconds
Jun 5, 2019
View attachment 718036
4:00
The Greenhouse Gas Demo
YouTube · Erik Christensen
4 minutes
Jun 13, 2011

How Exactly Does Carbon Dioxide Cause Global Warming?

https://news.climate.columbia.edu › 2021/02/25 › carbo...
Feb 25, 2021 — The way to discover the “full” effect of CO2 is to look at the past 60+ years of real-time CO2 cause-effects on global temperature and the ...

Lesson 8: How can we show that an increase in CO2 causes ...

https://cires.colorado.edu › sites › default › files
PDF
When there's more CO2 in the atmosphere, it makes the atmosphere warmer by trapping heat. ... In our experiment, we need one bottle where there's more CO2, ...
9 pages

Scientists understood physics of climate change in the 1800s

https://theconversation.com › ...
Jul 22, 2021 — The results of Foote's simple experiments were confirmed through ... power of carbon dioxide gas to absorb heat – the driving force of ...

Greenhouse Effect Demonstration

https://mrcc.purdue.edu › resources › guides › Ho...
PDF
This demonstration will show the effect that increased carbon dioxide has on atmospheric temperature. ... that adding seltzer adds heat somehow.
1 page

2D: Greenhouse Gas Lab - SERC - Carleton

https://serc.carleton.edu › eslabs › weather
Jan 31, 2022 — Show me materials needed for this experiment ... (For the saturated air, carbon dioxide, see above.) For each bottle, prepare a data chart ...

The Greenhouse Effect Experiment and Lesson for Kids

https://www.steampoweredfamily.com › the-greenhouse...
Apr 14, 2021 — In this experiment we are trapping the carbon dioxide gas in the jar. When heat is applied, the carbon dioxide traps more heat in the jar ...

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not one of those shows a temperature increase when increasing CO2 from 280 to 400PPM
 
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How about you go out and get a brain transplant.


A simple experiment on global warming - Journals

https://royalsocietypublishing.org › doi › rsos.192075
Sep 2, 2020 — A simple experiment has been developed to demonstrate the global warming potential of carbon dioxide (CO2) gas in the Earth's atmosphere.
Abstract · ‎Introduction · ‎Experimental design · ‎Theoretical calculations

Videos​

View attachment 718033
PREVIEW
1:00:30
Demonstrating the effect of CO2 on global warming
YouTube · CEB Cambridge
1 hour, 30 seconds
Apr 2, 2021
View attachment 718034
PREVIEW
3:33
Carbon Dioxide and the Greenhouse Effect
YouTube · MITK12Videos
3 minutes, 33 seconds
Apr 12, 2012
View attachment 718035
PREVIEW
3:50
Try This Greenhouse Effect Experiment 🌡️ | One Stop ...
YouTube · Da Vinci
3 minutes, 50 seconds
Jun 5, 2019
View attachment 718036
4:00
The Greenhouse Gas Demo
YouTube · Erik Christensen
4 minutes
Jun 13, 2011

How Exactly Does Carbon Dioxide Cause Global Warming?

https://news.climate.columbia.edu › 2021/02/25 › carbo...
Feb 25, 2021 — The way to discover the “full” effect of CO2 is to look at the past 60+ years of real-time CO2 cause-effects on global temperature and the ...

Lesson 8: How can we show that an increase in CO2 causes ...

https://cires.colorado.edu › sites › default › files
PDF
When there's more CO2 in the atmosphere, it makes the atmosphere warmer by trapping heat. ... In our experiment, we need one bottle where there's more CO2, ...
9 pages

Scientists understood physics of climate change in the 1800s

https://theconversation.com › ...
Jul 22, 2021 — The results of Foote's simple experiments were confirmed through ... power of carbon dioxide gas to absorb heat – the driving force of ...

Greenhouse Effect Demonstration

https://mrcc.purdue.edu › resources › guides › Ho...
PDF
This demonstration will show the effect that increased carbon dioxide has on atmospheric temperature. ... that adding seltzer adds heat somehow.
1 page

2D: Greenhouse Gas Lab - SERC - Carleton

https://serc.carleton.edu › eslabs › weather
Jan 31, 2022 — Show me materials needed for this experiment ... (For the saturated air, carbon dioxide, see above.) For each bottle, prepare a data chart ...

The Greenhouse Effect Experiment and Lesson for Kids

https://www.steampoweredfamily.com › the-greenhouse...
Apr 14, 2021 — In this experiment we are trapping the carbon dioxide gas in the jar. When heat is applied, the carbon dioxide traps more heat in the jar ...

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What you're demonstrating is specific heat capacity, not radiative reactions ... didn't you take chemistry in high school, or is that in the next few years? ... I kinda randomly picked the Purdue citation ... the "Oxycodone isn't addictive" folks ...

The published values are ≈ 4 J/g/K for water vapor, 1 J/g/K for dry air and 3/4 J/g/K for CO2 ... thus, for 4 joules of energy, we'd raise the temperature 1ºC for water, 4ºC for dry air and 5ºC for carbon dioxide ... this is something of a subtle fact ... downright evil in your case ... all that typing just to be wrong ...

That doesn't neccesarily mean carbon dioxide has an overwhelming radiative reactance ... as required by AGW Theory ... but you certainly don't understand the greenhouse effect if you think this is a demonstration ... we need to shine light through a gas and measure the delay in transition ... the rise in temperature is a side-effect of this transition, if the energy takes longer to pass through, then the energy will spend more time in her kinetic form, which is what we measure as temperature ...

Yeah, the seltzer tablet (or dry ice) also drives out the water vapor, that ruins your demonstration ... so they add a bit to the bottom to insure 100% RH ... or no greenhouse effect at all ... great way to test a trace gas for the uninformed public? ...
 
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The published values are ≈ 4 J/g/K for water vapor, 1 J/g/K for dry air and 3/4 J/g/K for CO2 ... thus, for 4 joules of energy, we'd raise the temperature 1ºC for water, 4ºC for dry air and 5ºC for carbon dioxide ...
You left out that these values were obtained in pure concentrations of the gas. 100% of the same gas. There is a derivative function of this for partial values and reactions with other gases.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious to them. sometimes we forget who our audience is and that most have no clue what were talking about.
 
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You left out that these values were obtained in pure concentrations of the gas. 100% of the same gas. There is a derivative function of this for partial values and reactions with other gases.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious to them. sometimes we forget who our audience is and that most have no clue what were talking about.

This is easy to explain to folks with two years college calculus under their belts ... d(climate)/dt ... it would take me a week to type in a better explanation ...

Did you ever take LinAlgebra? ... all this maps into stress tensor solutions quite easily ... an area geologists are very helpful with ...
 
This is easy to explain to folks with two years college calculus under their belts ... d(climate)/dt ... it would take me a week to type in a better explanation ...

Did you ever take LinAlgebra? ... all this maps into stress tensor solutions quite easily ... an area geologists are very helpful with ...
I hated math. LOL. I use it but I don't like it. It took me some time to grasp some of the concepts in Trig and Calc 2. Derivatives are an area I still have to get out the cheat sheets to make sure I am doing it right.
 
I hated math. LOL. I use it but I don't like it. It took me some time to grasp some of the concepts in Trig and Calc 2. Derivatives are an area I still have to get out the cheat sheets to make sure I am doing it right.

Math was my specialty ... and meteorology has the most deliciously complicated math of all the sciences ... the derivative of a manifold is itself a manifold ... ha ha ha ha ...

If your math is wrong, then you are wrong ... and if your math is absent, then your point is pure speculation ... all our amateur climatologists seem to forget that last part ...
 
"A problem is defined by our response to it." -Woodznutz

Based on this, climate change isn't a problem. Neither are most things that we define as 'problems'.

"Problems are just opportunities in disguise." -Some idiot.
 

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