How about another Mandate? (A solutions thread)

[Coyote]

Is it ever ok to attack innocent civilians? Bombing a school bus? Come on PF...how is that any more defensible then shooting kids for throwing rocks?

Of course not but it is piddlyshit compared to Israel. Israel is not the one to be pointing fingers in its terrorist propaganda campaign. How many children did Israel blow up in their homes?

Remember These Children 2014 Memorial

Is targeting civilians justified?

No but you should be pounding Israel for killing thousands of civilians and not the handful that the Palestinians kill.

I see a huge double standard here.

I pound ANYONE who targets civilians. You know that...

Civilians is not the correct term.

Nationals of an occupying power are not protected persons as per the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Even children?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Only a few percent of Palestinians were Jews and they were opposed to creating a Jewish state.

Does that negate their right?

Israel negated their right. They did not want a Jewish state.

Palestine is a large area. Within it is Israel, the Occupied Territories of West Bank and Gaza.

Is there no room for a Jewish state in that area?

That isn't the question.

Is there no room for a Jewish state in the US?

Jews were indigenous to Palestine.

Why not there?

The indigenous Jews were opposed to a Jewish state.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Of course not but it is piddlyshit compared to Israel. Israel is not the one to be pointing fingers in its terrorist propaganda campaign. How many children did Israel blow up in their homes?

Remember These Children 2014 Memorial

Is targeting civilians justified?

No but you should be pounding Israel for killing thousands of civilians and not the handful that the Palestinians kill.

I see a huge double standard here.

I pound ANYONE who targets civilians. You know that...

Civilians is not the correct term.

Nationals of an occupying power are not protected persons as per the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Even children?

Children were not mentioned. I would assume that their parents would be responsible for their safety.

Who would be responsible for for the children of US troops if they were living in Afghanistan?

 

[Coyote]

Not all.

I have issues with how Israel was created, but it's the same issue I have with any created state. None the less it's here. And it's here to stay. And I honestly can not say that the Jews don't deserve a state, some place where no other power can detrmine whether or not they have the right to live. After all this history I think they deserve that. What are your thoughts on that?

Is there not some way to accept that and also accept the right of the Palestinians to a homeland? In my humble opinion they should not be mutually exclusive.

 

[Coyote]

Is targeting civilians justified?

No but you should be pounding Israel for killing thousands of civilians and not the handful that the Palestinians kill.

I see a huge double standard here.

I pound ANYONE who targets civilians. You know that...

Civilians is not the correct term.

Nationals of an occupying power are not protected persons as per the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Even children?

Children were not mentioned. I would assume that their parents would be responsible for their safety.

Who would be responsible for for the children of US troops if they were living in Afghanistan?

So targeting children is ok? Because their parents were at fault? Seriously.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not all.

I have issues with how Israel was created, but it's the same issue I have with any created state. None the less it's here. And it's here to stay. And I honestly can not say that the Jews don't deserve a state, some place where no other power can detrmine whether or not they have the right to live. After all this history I think they deserve that. What are your thoughts on that?

Is there not some way to accept that and also accept the right of the Palestinians to a homeland? In my humble opinion they should not be mutually exclusive.

What is wrong with the Palestinians living in their own homeland?

 

[Coyote]

Not all.

I have issues with how Israel was created, but it's the same issue I have with any created state. None the less it's here. And it's here to stay. And I honestly can not say that the Jews don't deserve a state, some place where no other power can detrmine whether or not they have the right to live. After all this history I think they deserve that. What are your thoughts on that?

Is there not some way to accept that and also accept the right of the Palestinians to a homeland? In my humble opinion they should not be mutually exclusive.

What is wrong with the Palestinians living in their own homeland?

Nothing.

What is wrong with Jews wanting to live in their own homeland?

 

[P F Tinmore]

No but you should be pounding Israel for killing thousands of civilians and not the handful that the Palestinians kill.

I see a huge double standard here.

I pound ANYONE who targets civilians. You know that...

Civilians is not the correct term.

Nationals of an occupying power are not protected persons as per the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Even children?

Children were not mentioned. I would assume that their parents would be responsible for their safety.

Who would be responsible for for the children of US troops if they were living in Afghanistan?

So targeting children is ok? Because their parents were at fault? Seriously.

Now you are starting to deflect.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not all.

I have issues with how Israel was created, but it's the same issue I have with any created state. None the less it's here. And it's here to stay. And I honestly can not say that the Jews don't deserve a state, some place where no other power can detrmine whether or not they have the right to live. After all this history I think they deserve that. What are your thoughts on that?

Is there not some way to accept that and also accept the right of the Palestinians to a homeland? In my humble opinion they should not be mutually exclusive.

What is wrong with the Palestinians living in their own homeland?

Nothing.

It seems to be since they are prevented from living there.

 

[Coyote]

I pound ANYONE who targets civilians. You know that...

Civilians is not the correct term.

Nationals of an occupying power are not protected persons as per the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Even children?

Children were not mentioned. I would assume that their parents would be responsible for their safety.

Who would be responsible for for the children of US troops if they were living in Afghanistan?

So targeting children is ok? Because their parents were at fault? Seriously.

Now you are starting to deflect.

No. I'm pretty straight in this.

I do not support the targeting of civilians for any reason.

I do not support the targeting of children for any reason.


Do you?

 

[Coyote]

Not all.

I have issues with how Israel was created, but it's the same issue I have with any created state. None the less it's here. And it's here to stay. And I honestly can not say that the Jews don't deserve a state, some place where no other power can detrmine whether or not they have the right to live. After all this history I think they deserve that. What are your thoughts on that?

Is there not some way to accept that and also accept the right of the Palestinians to a homeland? In my humble opinion they should not be mutually exclusive.

What is wrong with the Palestinians living in their own homeland?

Nothing.

It seems to be since they are prevented from living there.

And isn't that what the op seeks to address?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Civilians is not the correct term.

Nationals of an occupying power are not protected persons as per the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Even children?

Children were not mentioned. I would assume that their parents would be responsible for their safety.

Who would be responsible for for the children of US troops if they were living in Afghanistan?

So targeting children is ok? Because their parents were at fault? Seriously.

Now you are starting to deflect.

No. I'm pretty straight in this.

I do not support the targeting of civilians for any reason.

I do not support the targeting of children for any reason.


Do you?

No I don't, but why should the Palestinians get pounded for few and Israel gets a pass on many.

My problem is the double standard.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not all.

I have issues with how Israel was created, but it's the same issue I have with any created state. None the less it's here. And it's here to stay. And I honestly can not say that the Jews don't deserve a state, some place where no other power can detrmine whether or not they have the right to live. After all this history I think they deserve that. What are your thoughts on that?

Is there not some way to accept that and also accept the right of the Palestinians to a homeland? In my humble opinion they should not be mutually exclusive.

What is wrong with the Palestinians living in their own homeland?

Nothing.

It seems to be since they are prevented from living there.

And isn't that what the op seeks to address?

I don't know. From the Israeli side it is fuck the Palestinians. And it is their country.

 

[Coyote]

Even children?

Children were not mentioned. I would assume that their parents would be responsible for their safety.

Who would be responsible for for the children of US troops if they were living in Afghanistan?

So targeting children is ok? Because their parents were at fault? Seriously.

Now you are starting to deflect.

No. I'm pretty straight in this.

I do not support the targeting of civilians for any reason.

I do not support the targeting of children for any reason.


Do you?

No I don't, but why should the Palestinians get pounded for few and Israel gets a pass on many.

My problem is the double standard.

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I didn't think so
I can understand when civilians become inadvertent casualties... but I can not understand the deliberate targeting of them, and I had issues with Israel on that during Opreation Cast Lead, where I think civilians were targeted or at least not avoided.

But...I have seen many attacks from the Palestinians that do target civilians. And children.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Children were not mentioned. I would assume that their parents would be responsible for their safety.

Who would be responsible for for the children of US troops if they were living in Afghanistan?

So targeting children is ok? Because their parents were at fault? Seriously.

Now you are starting to deflect.

No. I'm pretty straight in this.

I do not support the targeting of civilians for any reason.

I do not support the targeting of children for any reason.


Do you?

No I don't, but why should the Palestinians get pounded for few and Israel gets a pass on many.

My problem is the double standard.

u

I didn't think so
I can understand when civilians become inadvertent casualties... but I can not understand the deliberate targeting of them, and I had issues with Israel on that during Opreation Cast Lead, where I think civilians were targeted or at least not avoided.

But...I have seen many attacks from the Palestinians that do target civilians. And children.

And we here of the Palestinian's targets month after month, year after year while Israel killing hundreds gets brushed aside. Israel killing hundreds never gets mentioned by Israel's side while the Palestinians get - terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist.

 

[Coyote]

So targeting children is ok? Because their parents were at fault? Seriously.

Now you are starting to deflect.

No. I'm pretty straight in this.

I do not support the targeting of civilians for any reason.

I do not support the targeting of children for any reason.


Do you?

No I don't, but why should the Palestinians get pounded for few and Israel gets a pass on many.

My problem is the double standard.

u

I didn't think so
I can understand when civilians become inadvertent casualties... but I can not understand the deliberate targeting of them, and I had issues with Israel on that during Opreation Cast Lead, where I think civilians were targeted or at least not avoided.

But...I have seen many attacks from the Palestinians that do target civilians. And children.

And we here of the Palestinian's targets month after month, year after year while Israel killing hundreds gets brushed aside. Israel killing hundreds never gets mentioned by Israel's side while the Palestinians get - terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist.

What is it when a civilian is targeted and attacked ( excluding self defense?)

 

[P F Tinmore]

Now you are starting to deflect.

No. I'm pretty straight in this.

I do not support the targeting of civilians for any reason.

I do not support the targeting of children for any reason.


Do you?

No I don't, but why should the Palestinians get pounded for few and Israel gets a pass on many.

My problem is the double standard.

u

I didn't think so
I can understand when civilians become inadvertent casualties... but I can not understand the deliberate targeting of them, and I had issues with Israel on that during Opreation Cast Lead, where I think civilians were targeted or at least not avoided.

But...I have seen many attacks from the Palestinians that do target civilians. And children.

And we here of the Palestinian's targets month after month, year after year while Israel killing hundreds gets brushed aside. Israel killing hundreds never gets mentioned by Israel's side while the Palestinians get - terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist.

What is it when a civilian is targeted and attacked ( excluding self defense?)

What are you trying to get at?

 

[Coyote]

No. I'm pretty straight in this.

I do not support the targeting of civilians for any reason.

I do not support the targeting of children for any reason.


Do you?

No I don't, but why should the Palestinians get pounded for few and Israel gets a pass on many.

My problem is the double standard.

u

I didn't think so
I can understand when civilians become inadvertent casualties... but I can not understand the deliberate targeting of them, and I had issues with Israel on that during Opreation Cast Lead, where I think civilians were targeted or at least not avoided.

But...I have seen many attacks from the Palestinians that do target civilians. And children.

And we here of the Palestinian's targets month after month, year after year while Israel killing hundreds gets brushed aside. Israel killing hundreds never gets mentioned by Israel's side while the Palestinians get - terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist.

What is it when a civilian is targeted and attacked ( excluding self defense?)

What are you trying to get at?

Terrorism

 

[P F Tinmore]

No I don't, but why should the Palestinians get pounded for few and Israel gets a pass on many.

My problem is the double standard.

u

I didn't think so
I can understand when civilians become inadvertent casualties... but I can not understand the deliberate targeting of them, and I had issues with Israel on that during Opreation Cast Lead, where I think civilians were targeted or at least not avoided.

But...I have seen many attacks from the Palestinians that do target civilians. And children.

And we here of the Palestinian's targets month after month, year after year while Israel killing hundreds gets brushed aside. Israel killing hundreds never gets mentioned by Israel's side while the Palestinians get - terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist.

What is it when a civilian is targeted and attacked ( excluding self defense?)

What are you trying to get at?

Terrorism

Are illegal settlers living on stolen land "innocent civilian?"

Do the Palestinians have the right to defend themselves from this?

Don't forget the Fourth Geneva Convention.

 

[Coyote]

u

I didn't think so
I can understand when civilians become inadvertent casualties... but I can not understand the deliberate targeting of them, and I had issues with Israel on that during Opreation Cast Lead, where I think civilians were targeted or at least not avoided.

But...I have seen many attacks from the Palestinians that do target civilians. And children.

And we here of the Palestinian's targets month after month, year after year while Israel killing hundreds gets brushed aside. Israel killing hundreds never gets mentioned by Israel's side while the Palestinians get - terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist.

What is it when a civilian is targeted and attacked ( excluding self defense?)

What are you trying to get at?

Terrorism

Are illegal settlers living on stolen land "innocent civilian?"

Do the Palestinians have the right to defend themselves from this?

Don't forget the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Nono one has the right to target and kill civilians, especially children.