How about another Mandate? (A solutions thread)

[montelatici]

What does what another state, Arab or otherwise, does to Jews or Christians or Hindus have to do with the Palestinians?

 

[Coyote]

What does what another state, Arab or otherwise, does to Jews or Christians or Hindus have to do with the Palestinians?

Because those Arab states are intimately involved in the history and the problem. You can't excise them since they made a deliberate choice to keep the Palestinians CITIZENLESS and in refugee camps as pawns for their own political aims.

If you gave a damn about the Palestinians you would be as outraged at the arabs as the Israeli's!

 

[louie888]

Because Israel is not having any trouble self-governing.

And no, we are not tossing Palestinian rights to territory or return. We are just acknowledging Israel's identical rights.

You have still posted ZERO PROOF that the first temple existed.

I know it upsets you because Israel exists. Make my DAY !

It IS NOT that it exists; it is that it exists only through deception that justifies thieving and murdering... and they do it in our G-ds name!

 

[P F Tinmore]

And yes, the issue of Jewish immigration was one of the big issues to the Palestinian Arabs who saw it as a barrier to to their own ambitions.

It was (is) a threat to their very existence. And the Palestinians are still fighting that same threat now.

Of course the assholes call that terrorism.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You can't excise them since they made a deliberate choice to keep the Palestinians CITIZENLESS

They have no legal obligation to clean up after Israel. No state is required to take people who are not of their nationality.

The illegal acts of Israel created the problem and it is their responsibility to rectify it.

 

[Coyote]

You can't excise them since they made a deliberate choice to keep the Palestinians CITIZENLESS

They have no legal obligation to clean up after Israel. No state is required to take people who are not of their nationality.

The illegal acts of Israel created the problem and it is their responsibility to rectify it.

They refused to accept Israel as a state and went to war with Israel. The Palestinians fled due to a variety of reasons: fear of conflict, deliberate Israeli actions to force them out (ethnic cleansing) and Arab promises of victory. You can't absolve the Arab states of responsibility. They used the Palestinians for their own political purposes. It's a shared responsibility.

 

[Coyote]

And yes, the issue of Jewish immigration was one of the big issues to the Palestinian Arabs who saw it as a barrier to to their own ambitions.

It was (is) a threat to their very existence. And the Palestinians are still fighting that same threat now.

Of course the assholes call that terrorism.

Is it ever ok to attack innocent civilians? Bombing a school bus? Come on PF...how is that any more defensible then shooting kids for throwing rocks?

 

[P F Tinmore]

You can't excise them since they made a deliberate choice to keep the Palestinians CITIZENLESS

They have no legal obligation to clean up after Israel. No state is required to take people who are not of their nationality.

The illegal acts of Israel created the problem and it is their responsibility to rectify it.

They refused to accept Israel as a state and went to war with Israel. The Palestinians fled due to a variety of reasons: fear of conflict, deliberate Israeli actions to force them out (ethnic cleansing) and Arab promises of victory. You can't absolve the Arab states of responsibility. They used the Palestinians for their own political purposes. It's a shared responsibility.

Israel defending itself from

They refused to accept Israel as a state and went to war with Israel.

They refused to accept Israel on stolen Palestinian land.

What would we do in the US if they tried that crap here?

 

[Coyote]

You can't excise them since they made a deliberate choice to keep the Palestinians CITIZENLESS

They have no legal obligation to clean up after Israel. No state is required to take people who are not of their nationality.

The illegal acts of Israel created the problem and it is their responsibility to rectify it.

They refused to accept Israel as a state and went to war with Israel. The Palestinians fled due to a variety of reasons: fear of conflict, deliberate Israeli actions to force them out (ethnic cleansing) and Arab promises of victory. You can't absolve the Arab states of responsibility. They used the Palestinians for their own political purposes. It's a shared responsibility.

Israel defending itself from

They refused to accept Israel as a state and went to war with Israel.

They refused to accept Israel on stolen Palestinian land.

What would we do in the US if they tried that crap here?

There were Jews there already....why couldn't they establish a state? I think what I don't understand is why people refuse to acknowledge the rights of both the Palestinians and the Jews to a home.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And yes, the issue of Jewish immigration was one of the big issues to the Palestinian Arabs who saw it as a barrier to to their own ambitions.

It was (is) a threat to their very existence. And the Palestinians are still fighting that same threat now.

Of course the assholes call that terrorism.

Is it ever ok to attack innocent civilians? Bombing a school bus? Come on PF...how is that any more defensible then shooting kids for throwing rocks?

Of course not but it is piddlyshit compared to Israel. Israel is not the one to be pointing fingers in its terrorist propaganda campaign. How many children did Israel blow up in their homes?

Remember These Children 2014 Memorial

 

[Coyote]

And yes, the issue of Jewish immigration was one of the big issues to the Palestinian Arabs who saw it as a barrier to to their own ambitions.

It was (is) a threat to their very existence. And the Palestinians are still fighting that same threat now.

Of course the assholes call that terrorism.

Is it ever ok to attack innocent civilians? Bombing a school bus? Come on PF...how is that any more defensible then shooting kids for throwing rocks?

Of course not but it is piddlyshit compared to Israel. Israel is not the one to be pointing fingers in its terrorist propaganda campaign. How many children did Israel blow up in their homes?

Remember These Children 2014 Memorial

Is targeting civilians justified?

 

[P F Tinmore]

You can't excise them since they made a deliberate choice to keep the Palestinians CITIZENLESS

They have no legal obligation to clean up after Israel. No state is required to take people who are not of their nationality.

The illegal acts of Israel created the problem and it is their responsibility to rectify it.

They refused to accept Israel as a state and went to war with Israel. The Palestinians fled due to a variety of reasons: fear of conflict, deliberate Israeli actions to force them out (ethnic cleansing) and Arab promises of victory. You can't absolve the Arab states of responsibility. They used the Palestinians for their own political purposes. It's a shared responsibility.

Israel defending itself from

They refused to accept Israel as a state and went to war with Israel.

They refused to accept Israel on stolen Palestinian land.

What would we do in the US if they tried that crap here?

There were Jews there already....why couldn't they establish a state? I think what I don't understand is why people refuse to acknowledge the rights of both the Palestinians and the Jews to a home.

Only a few percent of Palestinians were Jews and they were opposed to creating a Jewish state.

 

[Coyote]

You can't excise them since they made a deliberate choice to keep the Palestinians CITIZENLESS

They have no legal obligation to clean up after Israel. No state is required to take people who are not of their nationality.

The illegal acts of Israel created the problem and it is their responsibility to rectify it.

They refused to accept Israel as a state and went to war with Israel. The Palestinians fled due to a variety of reasons: fear of conflict, deliberate Israeli actions to force them out (ethnic cleansing) and Arab promises of victory. You can't absolve the Arab states of responsibility. They used the Palestinians for their own political purposes. It's a shared responsibility.

Israel defending itself from

They refused to accept Israel as a state and went to war with Israel.

They refused to accept Israel on stolen Palestinian land.

What would we do in the US if they tried that crap here?

There were Jews there already....why couldn't they establish a state? I think what I don't understand is why people refuse to acknowledge the rights of both the Palestinians and the Jews to a home.

Only a few percent of Palestinians were Jews and they were opposed to creating a Jewish state.

Does that negate their right?

 

[P F Tinmore]

And yes, the issue of Jewish immigration was one of the big issues to the Palestinian Arabs who saw it as a barrier to to their own ambitions.

It was (is) a threat to their very existence. And the Palestinians are still fighting that same threat now.

Of course the assholes call that terrorism.

Is it ever ok to attack innocent civilians? Bombing a school bus? Come on PF...how is that any more defensible then shooting kids for throwing rocks?

Of course not but it is piddlyshit compared to Israel. Israel is not the one to be pointing fingers in its terrorist propaganda campaign. How many children did Israel blow up in their homes?

Remember These Children 2014 Memorial

Is targeting civilians justified?

No but you should be pounding Israel for killing thousands of civilians and not the handful that the Palestinians kill.

I see a huge double standard here.

 

[P F Tinmore]

They have no legal obligation to clean up after Israel. No state is required to take people who are not of their nationality.

The illegal acts of Israel created the problem and it is their responsibility to rectify it.

They refused to accept Israel as a state and went to war with Israel. The Palestinians fled due to a variety of reasons: fear of conflict, deliberate Israeli actions to force them out (ethnic cleansing) and Arab promises of victory. You can't absolve the Arab states of responsibility. They used the Palestinians for their own political purposes. It's a shared responsibility.

Israel defending itself from

They refused to accept Israel as a state and went to war with Israel.

They refused to accept Israel on stolen Palestinian land.

What would we do in the US if they tried that crap here?

There were Jews there already....why couldn't they establish a state? I think what I don't understand is why people refuse to acknowledge the rights of both the Palestinians and the Jews to a home.

Only a few percent of Palestinians were Jews and they were opposed to creating a Jewish state.

Does that negate their right?

Israel negated their right. They did not want a Jewish state.

 

[Coyote]

They refused to accept Israel as a state and went to war with Israel. The Palestinians fled due to a variety of reasons: fear of conflict, deliberate Israeli actions to force them out (ethnic cleansing) and Arab promises of victory. You can't absolve the Arab states of responsibility. They used the Palestinians for their own political purposes. It's a shared responsibility.

Israel defending itself from

They refused to accept Israel as a state and went to war with Israel.

They refused to accept Israel on stolen Palestinian land.

What would we do in the US if they tried that crap here?

There were Jews there already....why couldn't they establish a state? I think what I don't understand is why people refuse to acknowledge the rights of both the Palestinians and the Jews to a home.

Only a few percent of Palestinians were Jews and they were opposed to creating a Jewish state.

Does that negate their right?

Israel negated their right. They did not want a Jewish state.

Palestine is a large area. Within it is Israel, the Occupied Territories of West Bank and Gaza.

Is there no room for a Jewish state in that area?

 

[Coyote]

And yes, the issue of Jewish immigration was one of the big issues to the Palestinian Arabs who saw it as a barrier to to their own ambitions.

It was (is) a threat to their very existence. And the Palestinians are still fighting that same threat now.

Of course the assholes call that terrorism.

Is it ever ok to attack innocent civilians? Bombing a school bus? Come on PF...how is that any more defensible then shooting kids for throwing rocks?

Of course not but it is piddlyshit compared to Israel. Israel is not the one to be pointing fingers in its terrorist propaganda campaign. How many children did Israel blow up in their homes?

Remember These Children 2014 Memorial

Is targeting civilians justified?

No but you should be pounding Israel for killing thousands of civilians and not the handful that the Palestinians kill.

I see a huge double standard here.

I pound ANYONE who targets civilians. You know that...

 

[P F Tinmore]

They refused to accept Israel on stolen Palestinian land.

What would we do in the US if they tried that crap here?

There were Jews there already....why couldn't they establish a state? I think what I don't understand is why people refuse to acknowledge the rights of both the Palestinians and the Jews to a home.

Only a few percent of Palestinians were Jews and they were opposed to creating a Jewish state.

Does that negate their right?

Israel negated their right. They did not want a Jewish state.

Palestine is a large area. Within it is Israel, the Occupied Territories of West Bank and Gaza.

Is there no room for a Jewish state in that area?

That isn't the question.

Is there no room for a Jewish state in the US?

 

[P F Tinmore]

It was (is) a threat to their very existence. And the Palestinians are still fighting that same threat now.

Of course the assholes call that terrorism.

Is it ever ok to attack innocent civilians? Bombing a school bus? Come on PF...how is that any more defensible then shooting kids for throwing rocks?

Of course not but it is piddlyshit compared to Israel. Israel is not the one to be pointing fingers in its terrorist propaganda campaign. How many children did Israel blow up in their homes?

Remember These Children 2014 Memorial

Is targeting civilians justified?

No but you should be pounding Israel for killing thousands of civilians and not the handful that the Palestinians kill.

I see a huge double standard here.

I pound ANYONE who targets civilians. You know that...

Civilians is not the correct term.

Nationals of an occupying power are not protected persons as per the Fourth Geneva Convention.

 

[Coyote]

There were Jews there already....why couldn't they establish a state? I think what I don't understand is why people refuse to acknowledge the rights of both the Palestinians and the Jews to a home.

Only a few percent of Palestinians were Jews and they were opposed to creating a Jewish state.

Does that negate their right?

Israel negated their right. They did not want a Jewish state.

Palestine is a large area. Within it is Israel, the Occupied Territories of West Bank and Gaza.

Is there no room for a Jewish state in that area?

That isn't the question.

Is there no room for a Jewish state in the US?

Jews were indigenous to Palestine.

Why not there?