How a $Billion saved could be spent.

[1srelluc]

That assumes that the DNC has any power of the purse.

RINOs are just as bad.

 

[Woodznutz]

I wasn't aware you worked in the industry ... I'm perfectly aware of the competition in the field ... and one must cheat to compete ...

Do you not believe attic insulation costs $1.63 per square foot? ... {Cite} ... for a basic 1,000 square foot home, it costs $1,630 just for the insulation ... labor is extra, and this is dangerous work, worker's comp insurance is STEEP ...

Sadly ... home insulation has been building code for the past 50 years ... if your home isn't insulted already, you've been cheated ...

Two-story homes built of only 2x4's is structurally sound ... the only reason we use 2x6's on the outer walls is for more insulation ... and I've seen a few videos where we're up to 2x8's in the far north ...

ALSO ... don't overlook infiltration ... cold outside air leaking inside and precious heated air leaking outside ... windows and doors are the worst offenders ... but look and feel around for drafts ... use marijuana smoke if that's legal where you live, otherwise smoke a pack of cigarettes ...

I have a two-room addition that has 2x6 walls for that reason.

$1500 was the most recent average cost I could find. My own attic was only about 350 sq. ft. It cost me about $300 to bring it up to R-49 two years ago. I did it myself with unfaced batts. If I had hired it done it would have been blown in.

Infiltration used to be called "fresh air".

 

[Woodznutz]

Thus the road to bankruptcy by doing good cause there's always more to do.

Debt is the road to bankruptcy, and there's no need for it. Trump is trying to stop the hemorrhaging of money out of the domestic economy. Those losses are made up by borrowing. That's why we're 30/plus $Trillion in debt.

"If we trade with ourselves, we have the money and the goods." A. Lincoln

 

[jwoodie]

A $billion saved is not a $billion spent.

 

[22lcidw]

Don't expect a penny to be spent helping civilians who are too poor to afford to insulate their attics.

There has been endless dollar spent. And with the government involved it costs up to several times more to do so. Asbestos and toxic chemicals is a racket.

 

[Manonthestreet]

We're going to save multiple billions, some to pay down debt, others for sensible programs. While tax money is collected from individuals it should be spent for the national interest.

Not with your attitude. Everybody has a pet project that's important ya know

 

[Woodznutz]

Not with your attitude. Everybody has a pet project that's important ya know

Pet projects are ok (cast your bread upon the waters) as long as they are sensible, beneficial, and promote the domestic economy.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Pet projects are ok (cast your bread upon the waters) as long as they are sensible, beneficial, and promote the domestic economy.

Road to hell is paved with good intentions. quit trying to defend your socialism

 

[petro]

Saving fuel is in the national interest, and it's the only way it can be done effectively. In fact, tax credits are already being given for additional insulating.

I would have claimed the credit when I added insulation to my attic, but the paperwork was too much of a hassle.

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Better yet, lower my taxes and I could just do it myself without a wasteful government employee acting as an overpaid middle man.

Every program like this just adds a layer of expense.

 

[Woodznutz]

Road to hell is paved with good intentions. quit trying to defend your socialism

Social programs aren't socialism.

 

[Woodznutz]

Better yet, lower my taxes and I could just do it myself without a wasteful government employee acting as an overpaid middle man.

Every program like this just adds a layer of expense.

That begs for the question; how did people spend Trump's tax cuts, on insulation? Doubtful. Word has it they paid down debts with it.

 

[petro]

That begs for the question; how did people spend Trump's tax cuts, on insulation? Doubtful. Word has it they paid down debts with it.

Their money, their choice.

 

[Woodznutz]

Their money, their choice.

How has buying every shiny new thing from China benefitted them or the nation?

I just bagged up a $thousand worth of new shoes and boots from a tenant that can't pay his rent, and worse, abandoned the apartment and all of his stuff including new furniture and fled the state. I have other tenants whose closets are overfilled with clothing, a new car in the parking lot, and they walk around looking so depressed I fear they might commit suicide.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Social programs aren't socialism.

most certainly are

 

[Woodznutz]

most certainly are

Socialism is a central government controlling the means of production. No private ownership of industry, no capitalism or free enterprise. According to Marx it's the necessary step in the transition from capitalism to communism.

 

[ReinyDays]

I have a two-room addition that has 2x6 walls for that reason.

$1500 was the most recent average cost I could find. My own attic was only about 350 sq. ft. It cost me about $300 to bring it up to R-49 two years ago. I did it myself with unfaced batts. If I had hired it done it would have been blown in.

Infiltration used to be called "fresh air".

Did it pass inspection? ... only 350 sq ft? ... you're doing something wrong ... or is that reason for your weasel words ...

What do you mean "bringing it up to R-49" ... how much was in before? ... is your home only 350 sq ft, or is that the only portion you could insulate without hiring a crew ...

R-49 is useless if your windows are wide open ... no, infiltration has never called "fresh air" ... you're working this New Speak to perfection ... building code violations are now "creative visual arts" ...

My guess is you have obstructed your attic ventilation and that's why you won't get your work inspected ... let me guess, didn't pull a building permit ... that'll hurt the resale value more than Democrats will ...

 

[Woodznutz]

Did it pass inspection? ... only 350 sq ft? ... you're doing something wrong ... or is that reason for your weasel words ...

What do you mean "bringing it up to R-49" ... how much was in before? ... is your home only 350 sq ft, or is that the only portion you could insulate without hiring a crew ...

R-49 is useless if your windows are wide open ... no, infiltration has never called "fresh air" ... you're working this New Speak to perfection ... building code violations are now "creative visual arts" ...

My guess is you have obstructed your attic ventilation and that's why you won't get your work inspected ... let me guess, didn't pull a building permit ... that'll hurt the resale value more than Democrats will ...

I don't leave my windows wide open anytime during the year.
I don't own the house.
Unintentional infiltration is a time-honored fact of introducing fresh air into a building.


My under-roof attic measures 11' X 32'. Other parts of the house didn't need an insulation upgrade.
Squirrels got in and chewed up the wiring so I removed all of the old blown in insulation so the electrician could replace the wiring.
I then installed 16 inches of unfaced fiberglass batts providing R-49.
The attic space has a full-length ridge vent, a gable end vent, and I cut four more vents in the soffits to provide the needed ventilation.
Does this pass your inspection?

 

[ReinyDays]

I don't leave my windows wide open anytime during the year.
I don't own the house.
Unintentional infiltration is a time-honored fact of introducing fresh air into a building.


My under-roof attic measures 11' X 32'. Other parts of the house didn't need an insulation upgrade.
Squirrels got in and chewed up the wiring so I removed all of the old blown in insulation so the electrician could replace the wiring.
I then installed 16 inches of unfaced fiberglass batts providing R-49.
The attic space has a full-length ridge vent, a gable end vent, and I cut four more vents in the soffits to provide the needed ventilation.
Does this pass your inspection?

What do you mean "unintentional"? ... shitty workmanship requires malice aforethought ... you got cheated ...

Why do you believe the Federal Government would think the rest of your house didn't need upgrading ... did you rip down the drywall so you could see the insulation? ... or did the original builders have the insulation inspected? ... I'm asking if it passed inspection, you know what that means, it's not my inspection ... you didn't pull a permit, did you ...

Most important ... is this your model for an $8 billion government program? ... a local building permit is just the beginning of the expensive red-tape involved ...

 

[Woodznutz]

What do you mean "unintentional"? ... shitty workmanship requires malice aforethought ... you got cheated ...

Why do you believe the Federal Government would think the rest of your house didn't need upgrading ... did you rip down the drywall so you could see the insulation? ... or did the original builders have the insulation inspected? ... I'm asking if it passed inspection, you know what that means, it's not my inspection ... you didn't pull a permit, did you ...

Most important ... is this your model for an $8 billion government program? ... a local building permit is just the beginning of the expensive red-tape involved ...

My house is well over 100 years old, of course there will be air leaks.

The only drywall is on the new addition, the rest is lathe and plaster. The last wall insulation was blown in through holes in the sheathing from the outside many years ago. Prior there was no insulation in the sidewalls. The blown in attic insulation had settled well below the ceiling joists and was virtually useless.

Of course, we pull permits when necessary. We had to get a variance for the addition on the house, which required permits.

 

[ReinyDays]

My house is well over 100 years old, of course there will be air leaks.

The only drywall is on the new addition, the rest is lathe and plaster. The last wall insulation was blown in through holes in the sheathing from the outside many years ago. Prior there was no insulation in the sidewalls. The blown in attic insulation had settled well below the ceiling joists and was virtually useless.

Of course, we pull permits when necessary. We had to get a variance for the addition on the house, which required permits.

My house is 130 years old and there are NO drafts ... I went through the entire heated portion with smoke and sealed every air leak ... except at the doors and windows ... which was my original point ... it's called "household repairs" ... you should try some ...

You give false information ... in post #37 you stated "Other parts of the house didn't need an insulation upgrade." ... now you're saying it was blown in ... by a crew that only put 3 inches in your attic ... from experience, I can assure you the top half of your walls are NOT insulated ... R-0.00000001 ... and that's only because we can't divide by zero ... you home is long overdue for upgrades, and not just insulation ... and can you PLEASE be truthful with me from now on? ... I'm sorry your siding was ruined, now it needs replaced ... [sigh] ... no wonder your house leaks like a sieve ...

... and you think air leaks to the outside is normal ... [shakes head] ... let me guess, by the same guys who put 3 inches of attic insulation in and said it was 8 inches ... like you were a girl or something ...

You got cheated, and that's why you claimed it will only cost $1500 average to insulation homes in the United States to Federal Standards ... that's how much it costs to get cheated ...

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If you're not an experienced builder ... then get an inspection done, it cost a few hundred dollars but it will save you thousands of dollars of grief later ... makes sure the inspector is licensed, insured and bonded ... demand proof ... even if your State doesn't require these, YOU SHOULD ... insurance and a performance bond ... or you will get cheated ...