House Bill to Lower Insulin Costs PASSES - 193 GOPers Voted AGAINST it - Just 12 Voted FOR

[FA_Q2]

So how is a government to raise revenue?

Free market - Wikipedia

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Are you unable to answer a question directly?

 

[FA_Q2]

Are costs far lower in Japan? Do they have "free markets" as the reason?

Why the fuck are you still responding and asking questions as though you are not being dishonest on purpose.

You already showed that you want to stick with direct lies and refuse to acknowledge anything said to you.

I guess I was not clear the last time. Conversing with you exactly analogous to playing chess with a pigeon. You already shit all over the board. Now it is time for you to strut around and declare victory. Go on.

 

[pknopp]

Why the fuck are you still responding and asking questions as though you are not being dishonest on purpose.

You already showed that you want to stick with direct lies and refuse to acknowledge anything said to you.

I guess I was not clear the last time. Conversing with you exactly analogous to playing chess with a pigeon. You already shit all over the board. Now it is time for you to strut around and declare victory. Go on.

You made a lame argument to distract from the point.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Are you unable to answer a question directly?

Way to completely ignore my question. Hypocrite much?
Here you go (hit the link):

House Bill to Lower Insulin Costs PASSES - 193 GOPers Voted AGAINST it - Just 12 Voted FOR

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-03-31/house-passes-bill-to-lower-insulin-costs-but-prospects-unclear-in-senate The measure would cap insulin costs at $35 a month for consumers enrolled in both private health insurance plans and Medicare. Currently, based on the patient’s condition...

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Has our government ever held a gun to anyone's head and demanded they create a monopoly? To save time, I'll address that for you: No. So that notion is the sort of "fantasy" I was referring to earlier. The type of "fantasy" you and others would, perhaps just reflexively, respond to with a "Thanks." See "free shit." post above.

 

[georgephillip]

ou cannot "invent' something that occurs naturally! Who discovered gold in California? Do you say he invented it?

Do you believe mathematics was discovered or invented?

 

[georgephillip]

If you have to ask that after the last two years, you probably shouldn't be around sharp objects.

Which conservative moron was in the White House two years ago?

"From monitoring clinical trials and approving medicines and vaccines, to ensuring the safety of blood transfusions, medical devices, groceries, and more, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is one of the nation's most vital watchdogs.

"By several measures, however, FDA's compliance and enforcement actions have plummeted since President Donald Trump took office, Science has found."

Science | AAAS

If the entire FDA is a valid example of how democratic regulation facilitates rent seeking and monopolies, how many sharp objects have you handled over the past two years

 

[struth]

And why is direct interference in markets fine and dandy for the president, a singular person that power is consolidated in, but not okay for congress where there is at least some diffusion of power....

This is why people laugh at the right when they claim to be for smaller government.

there is a difference between the Govt acting as a buyer and bargaining for prices and the Govt making laws setting caps

 

[FA_Q2]

Way to completely ignore my question. Hypocrite much?
Here you go (hit the link):

House Bill to Lower Insulin Costs PASSES - 193 GOPers Voted AGAINST it - Just 12 Voted FOR

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-03-31/house-passes-bill-to-lower-insulin-costs-but-prospects-unclear-in-senate The measure would cap insulin costs at $35 a month for consumers enrolled in both private health insurance plans and Medicare. Currently, based on the patient’s condition...

www.usmessageboard.com

Has our government ever held a gun to anyone's head and demanded they create a monopoly? To save time, I'll address that for you: No. So that notion is the sort of "fantasy" I was referring to earlier. The type of "fantasy" you and others would, perhaps just reflexively, respond to with a "Thanks." See "free shit." post above.

I asked you a question. Instead of answering, you asked a question and then whine that I did not answer yours?

How asinine.

I note AGAIN, you STILL have not answered the simple question. I still do not see the point of your post. Did they demand that someone create a monopoly? That is irrelevant. What notion is 'fantasy?'

Try and put something coherent together that actually addresses the points or situation. All I see is bitching about, well, I can't even tell what you are bitching about other than you don't like 'free markets' but you have yet to even articulate what you mean by that notion.

It is not possible to make sense of your posts if you will not stop long enough to establish if we are even talking about the same things.

Do you stand by the notion that free markets do not exist at all?

What is your point that the government is not forcing monopolies about? The specific example we are talking about involves a government protected monopoly. Do you dispute that?

 

[BluesLegend]

Government mandate to keep the cost of insulin low so people can afford it. Okay how about a government mandate for $1.00 a gallon gas?

 

[FA_Q2]

there is a difference between the Govt acting as a buyer and bargaining for prices and the Govt making laws setting caps

And why do you support one over the other.

Because, to be quite frank, it looks to me like one is supported because it was a republican action and the other not because it was a democrat one. What is the PRINCIPAL that you are following in evaluating which approach is acceptable.

In almost any case I can think of, the legislative branch has more validity when passing laws than EO as one involves the government using it's designated separate powers to come to a consensus in governance and the other is a dictate from an executor. Very few things should fall under simple dictate.

 

[Oddball]

Which conservative moron was in the White House two years ago?

"From monitoring clinical trials and approving medicines and vaccines, to ensuring the safety of blood transfusions, medical devices, groceries, and more, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is one of the nation's most vital watchdogs.

"By several measures, however, FDA's compliance and enforcement actions have plummeted since President Donald Trump took office, Science has found."

Science | AAAS

If the entire FDA is a valid example of how democratic regulation facilitates rent seeking and monopolies, how many sharp objects have you handled over the past two years

Trump isn't the issue, asshole.

In any case, the FDA is the biggest protection racket and panderer to rent seekers ever devised.

 

[struth]

And why do you support one over the other.

Because, to be quite frank, it looks to me like one is supported because it was a republican action and the other not because it was a democrat one. What is the PRINCIPAL that you are following in evaluating which approach is acceptable.

In almost any case I can think of, the legislative branch has more validity when passing laws than EO as one involves the government using it's designated separate powers to come to a consensus in governance and the other is a dictate from an executor. Very few things should fall under simple dictate.

because one is based on free open markets and the other is fascist

 

[Grumblenuts]

Do you stand by the notion that free markets do not exist at all?

I would never say "free markets do not exist at all". Nonetheless, here you are trying to stuff that down my throat. That alone is enough to tell me you're not worth further effort. Certainly not in an abstract topic such as this where lots of subtlety and nuance is clearly called for. However, I did look back to see where you started just to make sure I wasn't missing anything important. Here's an excerpt from that grand, bloviating entrance:

The SOLE reason insulin is overpriced here in this nation is because the government has protected the insulin drug companies from competition thereby REMOVING the product from the free market and placing it in a controlled market.

Now pay attention. Notice your use of > "the" < singular > "free market" -- not "markets." Notice how I'm quoting YOUR actual words, not insisting you respond to any stupid, strawman questions. Finally, but not least, notice you're spouting utter bullshit, as any cursory check of the associated research findings would easily reveal. Our government has never overtly prevented local competitors from entering the insulin production market. It has been argued by many that its policies have had that effect. No shit. But again, it's never actually removed the product from any market nor placed it anywhere. You're just banging off the walls, which is typical of "free market" über alles, libertarian boneheads everywhere.

Government cannot corrupt itself. That takes people who already have way too much. Meanwhile, the majority still have basic needs to worry about and limited budgets.

 

[CowboyTed]

The doctors who invented insulin thought it should be distributed FREE OF CHARGE

It is in Europe... All Diabetes drugs and devices are free... Free access to diabetic nurse and she can refer you to a specialist which is also free..

In Ireland they are now handing out Ozempic for zero... This is a game changer if it works for you... With a lot less will power it would be possible to reverse Type 2 diabetes...
The cost in US is just disgraceful $800

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The reason Europe does this is because they know that Diabetes not managed causes huge other more expensive problems.... Healthy people, healthy workforce..

 

[dblack]

Why the fuck are you still responding and asking questions as though you are not being dishonest on purpose.

You already showed that you want to stick with direct lies and refuse to acknowledge anything said to you.

I guess I was not clear the last time. Conversing with you exactly analogous to playing chess with a pigeon. You already shit all over the board. Now it is time for you to strut around and declare victory. Go on.

Ayup.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

My thoughts are that if it is enacted, prices for the uninsured will go through the roof and you will stop seeing investment in additional drug research for diabetes. This would fail just like rent controls have failed to alleviate the housing/homelessness problem. You can NEVER legislate your way around capitalism as long as capitalism provides investors an alternative place to put their money for better returns.

Insulin remains largely unchanged over the last couple decades. The research now is into delivery devices and control measures. Insulin pumps and Continuous Glucose Meters is where the money is now for the medical companies. There is no good reason insulin should be one of the most expensive liquids on the planet.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Are they too fucking lazy to make it themselves and distribute it FREE OF CHARGE?

What's stopping them? Oh right......reality.

They are dead you fucking moron.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Who is making up the difference?

there is no difference to make up

 

[Dekster]

Insulin remains largely unchanged over the last couple decades. The research now is into delivery devices and control measures. Insulin pumps and Continuous Glucose Meters is where the money is now for the medical companies. There is no good reason insulin should be one of the most expensive liquids on the planet.

Insulin is not one of the most expensive liquids on the planet. Stop believing the propaganda. The democrats just cannot stop fondling healthcare.

"Available exclusively through Walmart’s private ReliOn brand, the new offering includes analog insulin vials ($72.88) and FlexPen® ($85.88). These products will save customers between 58% to 75% off the cash price of branded analog insulin products, which translates to a savings of up to $101 per branded vial or $251 per package of branded FlexPens®." Walmart Revolutionizes Insulin Access & Affordability for Patients With Diabetes With the Launch of the First and Only Private Brand Analog Insulin

 

[Grumblenuts]

Insulin is not one of the most expensive liquids on the planet. Stop believing the propaganda. The democrats just cannot stop fondling healthcare.

"Available exclusively through Walmart’s private ReliOn brand, the new offering includes analog insulin vials ($72.88) and FlexPen® ($85.88). These products will save customers between 58% to 75% off the cash price of branded analog insulin products, which translates to a savings of up to $101 per branded vial or $251 per package of branded FlexPens®." Walmart Revolutionizes Insulin Access & Affordability for Patients With Diabetes With the Launch of the First and Only Private Brand Analog Insulin

Interesting. How much is the Walton family paying you to shill for them?