Hottest Summer on Record

[Old Rocks]

OK, silly ass, just put up a link to a national weather service of a modern nation that states that this was a cool summer. Or even one that states that this was not the warmest summer on record. After all, if that claim is that wrong, you would think that the Russian or Chinese would be glad to show how they have more knowledge on that matter than we do.

Go ahead, jc, show us something other than nonsensical flap-yap that is your specialty.

 

[Old Rocks]

However, none of this changes the fact that we just experianced the hottest summer on record, and 2015 will be the hottest year on record. When is your cooling going to arrive, Mr. Westwall? You have been predicting cooling for five years now. Real scientists, like Dr. Hansen, have been predicting warming for the same period, and we have had three of the warmest years on record from 2010 through 2015.

The claim that this was the "hottest summer on record" is not born out by fact. No matter how much propagandizing you clowns do the people KNOW that to be true. Unlike you I KNOW that the Earth operates on time scales that are far longer than our puny little lives so the cooling is already here. It will just take a little longer to bludgeon that fact into the minds of the propagandists. Though, they are getting the idea that their time is short....they are DESPERATE to get legislation through before the cooling becomes obvious to even those who are the most deeply divorced from reality.

Westwall, put up or shut up. How about a counterclaim from any national weather service of a modern nation. And I don't mean the weather for that one nation, but their judgement on the global weather.

 

[SSDD]

However, none of this changes the fact that we just experianced the hottest summer on record, and 2015 will be the hottest year on record. When is your cooling going to arrive, Mr. Westwall? You have been predicting cooling for five years now. Real scientists, like Dr. Hansen, have been predicting warming for the same period, and we have had three of the warmest years on record from 2010 through 2015.

The claim that this was the "hottest summer on record" is not born out by fact. No matter how much propagandizing you clowns do the people KNOW that to be true. Unlike you I KNOW that the Earth operates on time scales that are far longer than our puny little lives so the cooling is already here. It will just take a little longer to bludgeon that fact into the minds of the propagandists. Though, they are getting the idea that their time is short....they are DESPERATE to get legislation through before the cooling becomes obvious to even those who are the most deeply divorced from reality.

Westwall, put up or shut up. How about a counterclaim from any national weather service of a modern nation. And I don't mean the weather for that one nation, but their judgement on the global weather.

You mean a national weather service raking in big money for alarmist reports?....those weather services?

 

[westwall]

OK, silly ass, just put up a link to a national weather service of a modern nation that states that this was a cool summer. Or even one that states that this was not the warmest summer on record. After all, if that claim is that wrong, you would think that the Russian or Chinese would be glad to show how they have more knowledge on that matter than we do.

Go ahead, jc, show us something other than nonsensical flap-yap that is your specialty.

The flap yap specialist is you olfraud. Pretty much the entire world get's their weather predictions from NOAA or the Met Office (who get's their stuff from NOAA), the exception being Russia of course. But even there when a person does a search the result invariably comes up with "World Climate News" or some such. What I have been finding is that almost everything is derived from NOAA. Talk about a monopoly. Furhter when one of you screams "all these thousands of scientists involved in the conspiracy" nonsense it becomes very clear that most all the data is coming from NOAA, so a very small group of people seem to be controlling the whole thing.

 

[Billy_Bob]

OK, silly ass, just put up a link to a national weather service of a modern nation that states that this was a cool summer. Or even one that states that this was not the warmest summer on record. After all, if that claim is that wrong, you would think that the Russian or Chinese would be glad to show how they have more knowledge on that matter than we do.

Go ahead, jc, show us something other than nonsensical flap-yap that is your specialty.

No Need too there old fraud! The satellite data shows it pretty well that it wasn't... Odd that only adjusted up, homogenized, and fraudulent data sets show any kind of warming and have diverged by almost 1.6 Deg C since 1998 from the Satellite record.

Your fraud is well documented!

 

[mamooth]

There's no point in addressing denier conspiracy flapyap. It's a religion, and you can't reason someone out of a religion.

Out in the real world, the Australian BoM reports that October 2015 had the highest monthly temperature anomaly ever for Australia.

Australia in October 2015
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The national mean temperature anomaly of +2.89 °C was the warmest monthly anomaly on record for any month, surpassing the previous record of +2.75 °C set in September 2013.
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[Billy_Bob]

There's no point in addressing denier conspiracy flapyap. It's a religion, and you can't reason someone out of a religion.

Out in the real world, the Australian BoM reports that October 2015 had the highest monthly temperature anomaly ever for Australia.

Australia in October 2015
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The national mean temperature anomaly of +2.89 °C was the warmest monthly anomaly on record for any month, surpassing the previous record of +2.75 °C set in September 2013.
---

BWHAAAAAAAAAAA

Your citing adjusted and manipulated data sets there hair ball..

 

[Old Rocks]

Typical Silly Billy, no contrary evidence, so squawk like a demented chicken.

 

[mamooth]

As usual, the Japanese Meteorological Agency (JMA) is the first to report in, saying October 2015 had a global average temperature anomaly of +0.53C. That's the highest monthly global anomaly the JMA ever recorded, beating the previous all-time record high of +0.51C (Sep 2015), not to mention the previous October record of +0.34C (2014).

Global Average Surface Temperature Anomalies

Note that the JMA benchmark uses a different baseline from NASA GISS or HadCRUT4, so temperatures across benchmarks are not comparable. NASA GISS usually weighs in around the 18th, and the British Met a week later.

 

[jc456]

As usual, the Japanese Meteorological Agency (JMA) is the first to report in, saying October 2015 had a global average temperature anomaly of +0.53C. That's the highest monthly global anomaly the JMA ever recorded, beating the previous all-time record high of +0.51C (Sep 2015), not to mention the previous October record of +0.34C (2014).

Global Average Surface Temperature Anomalies

Note that the JMA benchmark uses a different baseline from NASA GISS or HadCRUT4, so temperatures across benchmarks are not comparable. NASA GISS usually weighs in around the 18th, and the British Met a week later.

so just curious, is that all the raw data, or biased data sets they use?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

This is the hottest summer in at least 4,000 years.
2015 is on track to be the hottest year on record - CNN.com


Coincidence? I think not.

Global warming is real, fools.

Well, they're predicting one of the coldest winter is coming so "CHECKMATE"

Wonderful so it'll be -14 instead of -18.
You do understand why it's cold in the winter don't you?
Here's a little refresher from 6th grade.




Please realize that the mechanism that is warming the earth plays no role whatsoever in determining why it's cold in the winter.
Anyone who uses a snowball in an attempt to debunk climate change is an idiot.

 

[jc456]

This is the hottest summer in at least 4,000 years.
2015 is on track to be the hottest year on record - CNN.com


Coincidence? I think not.

Global warming is real, fools.

Well, they're predicting one of the coldest winter is coming so "CHECKMATE"

Wonderful so it'll be -14 instead of -18.
You do understand why it's cold in the winter don't you?
Here's a little refresher from 6th grade.




Please realize that the mechanism that is warming the earth plays no role whatsoever in determining why it's cold in the winter.
Anyone who uses a snowball in an attempt to debunk climate change is an idiot.

So why'd the left predict no more snow? Hmmmmm

 

[Hutch Starskey]

[Q

No, it's when you see increases in all that stuff plus melting glaciers, rising seas, pole ward movement of species, ocean acidification, etc, that you know something big is going on.

The glaciers have been melting ever since the end of the last ice age. We are in a post glacier warming period and it will probably continue until the next ice age. The earth has generally been warmer than it is now. We are actually in a fairly cool period for the earth.

We are in a period of very good weather world wide and that is why we are able to grow enough food to feed seven billion people.

There is a silly correlation between the start of the industrial age and increased CO2 concentrations but that doesn't mean jackshit because there have been periods in the earth's history where CO2 concentrations have been higher than they are today but the earth has been cooler and times when the CO2 has been higher and the temperature higher. In fact there is significant data that shows CO2 concentrations lags temperature increases instead of the other way around.

You have been taken in by the Scammers. They make up data and you are gullible enough to believe it. So sad.

CO2 is the foundation of photosynthesis without which no life can exist.

What has happened is that the canny fools leading the ignorant have successfully and deliberately confused carbon dioxide, without which all plant life dies, with carbon monoxide.

Complete and utter retarded nonsense.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

CO2 is the foundation of photosynthesis without which no life can exist.

What has happened is that the canny fools leading the ignorant have successfully and deliberately confused carbon dioxide, without which all plant life dies, with carbon monoxide.

The greatest biomass ever created on earth was when the CO2 concentration on earth was ten times what it is now.

The CO2 concentration in the atmosphere was about 160 PPM at the end of the last ice age. Now it is about 400 PPM. That ain't nothing. There was many millions of years where life flourished on earth and the concentration was over 3,000 PPM.

Not human life reliant on predictable seasons for food and a productive economy there professor. You think we have wars and refugees now? How about when there are billions of displaced people who can no longer live where they were?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Scientist first came up with a theory that because burning fossil fuels produces CO2 gasses then the CO2 will produce a greenhouse effect on earth raising temperatures.

That was a valid theory. They even looked at preliminary data that showed a rough correlation between atmospheric CO2 levels and world wide temperatures and it showed a rise in both.

However, then is where the real science began to fall apart and the scam began.

Because the initial correlation showed rise in CO2 levels and temperature there was a lot of money put into research. The research mostly consisted of computer modeling.

The science was distorted in order to provide the computer models with the data to support the theory to continue with the funding sources.

For instance, the data that shows historically that CO2 levels lag temperature was ignored. The lag was both in the increase in temperature and the decrease sides.

Data showing that in the past the CO2 levels were ten times higher but yet the earth was much cooler and data showing that at times the CO2 levels were lower but yet the earth was warmer were mostly ignored in the computer models.

World wide temperature data was manipulated like we saw in Al Gore's hockey stick picture where data was cherry picked. When the scientist used all the data then the picture was different.

Assumptions were made about historical temperatures that were indefensible based upon the sparse data collected. “World wide temperature data” was based upon some very flimsy tree ring and ice samples in just a few locations and temperature measurements, mostly in the universities in Europe and North America, in the last couple of hundred years at best. Southern Hemisphere data was very sparse and large areas like Siberia and Asia were mostly ignored not to mention most of Africa and South America.

The empirical data about how CO2 really chemically reacts in the atmosphere were mostly ignored. CO2 does not react the same in real life that it does in the theoretical computer models. The chemistry in the atmosphere is much more complex than the computer models forecast. Rain washes out most of the CO2 in the atmosphere.

Then there was the Climategate revelations that data was manipulated by the scientists in order to prove what could not be proven with real data. This really blew the whistle on the scam. In addition to that we have the fact that both NASA and NOAA have been manipulating data.

Then you have the fact that after 30 years of this theory there is no credible evidence that the climate on earth is getting warmer due to man made influence. In fact the climate has been relatively stable for the last 15 years despite counties like China putting out tremendous more amounts of CO2 gasses. There is very credible evidence that the earth may be moving back into another mini ice age like happens every few hundred years. The last one was in medieval times.

We also need to understand that the “normal” temperature of the earth has been warmer than now with little permanent ice on the planet. That is the way it has been for a substantial part of the existence of the earth. This age of ice that we are in now is only about 2.7 million years old. However, there were other times in the Cryogenian period and the Late Ordovician Period where we had “snowball earth”.

AGW is just bad science because it has become a political issue. It has nothing to do with real science and more to do with the redistribution of wealth from the industrialized countries to the Third World. That is the real root of the scam.

Ever consider reading what the scientists are actually saying instead of just accepting what the rightwingnut sites say that they are saying? Your post shows a profound ignorance of this subject. Here is where you can come up to speed on it.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

This site is a site of the American Institute of Physics, the largest single scientific society on Earth.

Ever consider doing empirical research and finding out if what you are being told is true? Your models are broken and have no predictive power thus their conclusions and the policies made with them are DEAD WRONG.

You see, you eat everything your told hook line and sinker without question. Does CO2 retard heat loss? Yep it sure does, but the effect is quite different in the lab than it is in our atmosphere. But you ignore simple empirical evidence,

Why and how is it different in the lab than in the atmosphere? Do the properties of CO2 change simply by being in a larger container?

 

[Billy_Bob]

Scientist first came up with a theory that because burning fossil fuels produces CO2 gasses then the CO2 will produce a greenhouse effect on earth raising temperatures.

That was a valid theory. They even looked at preliminary data that showed a rough correlation between atmospheric CO2 levels and world wide temperatures and it showed a rise in both.

However, then is where the real science began to fall apart and the scam began.

Because the initial correlation showed rise in CO2 levels and temperature there was a lot of money put into research. The research mostly consisted of computer modeling.

The science was distorted in order to provide the computer models with the data to support the theory to continue with the funding sources.

For instance, the data that shows historically that CO2 levels lag temperature was ignored. The lag was both in the increase in temperature and the decrease sides.

Data showing that in the past the CO2 levels were ten times higher but yet the earth was much cooler and data showing that at times the CO2 levels were lower but yet the earth was warmer were mostly ignored in the computer models.

World wide temperature data was manipulated like we saw in Al Gore's hockey stick picture where data was cherry picked. When the scientist used all the data then the picture was different.

Assumptions were made about historical temperatures that were indefensible based upon the sparse data collected. “World wide temperature data” was based upon some very flimsy tree ring and ice samples in just a few locations and temperature measurements, mostly in the universities in Europe and North America, in the last couple of hundred years at best. Southern Hemisphere data was very sparse and large areas like Siberia and Asia were mostly ignored not to mention most of Africa and South America.

The empirical data about how CO2 really chemically reacts in the atmosphere were mostly ignored. CO2 does not react the same in real life that it does in the theoretical computer models. The chemistry in the atmosphere is much more complex than the computer models forecast. Rain washes out most of the CO2 in the atmosphere.

Then there was the Climategate revelations that data was manipulated by the scientists in order to prove what could not be proven with real data. This really blew the whistle on the scam. In addition to that we have the fact that both NASA and NOAA have been manipulating data.

Then you have the fact that after 30 years of this theory there is no credible evidence that the climate on earth is getting warmer due to man made influence. In fact the climate has been relatively stable for the last 15 years despite counties like China putting out tremendous more amounts of CO2 gasses. There is very credible evidence that the earth may be moving back into another mini ice age like happens every few hundred years. The last one was in medieval times.

We also need to understand that the “normal” temperature of the earth has been warmer than now with little permanent ice on the planet. That is the way it has been for a substantial part of the existence of the earth. This age of ice that we are in now is only about 2.7 million years old. However, there were other times in the Cryogenian period and the Late Ordovician Period where we had “snowball earth”.

AGW is just bad science because it has become a political issue. It has nothing to do with real science and more to do with the redistribution of wealth from the industrialized countries to the Third World. That is the real root of the scam.

Ever consider reading what the scientists are actually saying instead of just accepting what the rightwingnut sites say that they are saying? Your post shows a profound ignorance of this subject. Here is where you can come up to speed on it.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

This site is a site of the American Institute of Physics, the largest single scientific society on Earth.

Ever consider doing empirical research and finding out if what you are being told is true? Your models are broken and have no predictive power thus their conclusions and the policies made with them are DEAD WRONG.

You see, you eat everything your told hook line and sinker without question. Does CO2 retard heat loss? Yep it sure does, but the effect is quite different in the lab than it is in our atmosphere. But you ignore simple empirical evidence,

Why and how is it different in the lab than in the atmosphere? Do the properties of CO2 change simply by being in a larger container?

In the lab the other gases are controlled as is water vapor. In our atmosphere this is not a known mixture and it changes by 3-5% in a matter of minuets. It is this variability which neuters CO2 actions in our atmosphere.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

This is the hottest summer in at least 4,000 years.
2015 is on track to be the hottest year on record - CNN.com


Coincidence? I think not.

Global warming is real, fools.

Well, they're predicting one of the coldest winter is coming so "CHECKMATE"

Wonderful so it'll be -14 instead of -18.
You do understand why it's cold in the winter don't you?
Here's a little refresher from 6th grade.




Please realize that the mechanism that is warming the earth plays no role whatsoever in determining why it's cold in the winter.
Anyone who uses a snowball in an attempt to debunk climate change is an idiot.

So why'd the left predict no more snow? Hmmmmm

Does the left predict anything? Who said no more snow? Snow is just precipitation in cold weather.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Scientist first came up with a theory that because burning fossil fuels produces CO2 gasses then the CO2 will produce a greenhouse effect on earth raising temperatures.

That was a valid theory. They even looked at preliminary data that showed a rough correlation between atmospheric CO2 levels and world wide temperatures and it showed a rise in both.

However, then is where the real science began to fall apart and the scam began.

Because the initial correlation showed rise in CO2 levels and temperature there was a lot of money put into research. The research mostly consisted of computer modeling.

The science was distorted in order to provide the computer models with the data to support the theory to continue with the funding sources.

For instance, the data that shows historically that CO2 levels lag temperature was ignored. The lag was both in the increase in temperature and the decrease sides.

Data showing that in the past the CO2 levels were ten times higher but yet the earth was much cooler and data showing that at times the CO2 levels were lower but yet the earth was warmer were mostly ignored in the computer models.

World wide temperature data was manipulated like we saw in Al Gore's hockey stick picture where data was cherry picked. When the scientist used all the data then the picture was different.

Assumptions were made about historical temperatures that were indefensible based upon the sparse data collected. “World wide temperature data” was based upon some very flimsy tree ring and ice samples in just a few locations and temperature measurements, mostly in the universities in Europe and North America, in the last couple of hundred years at best. Southern Hemisphere data was very sparse and large areas like Siberia and Asia were mostly ignored not to mention most of Africa and South America.

The empirical data about how CO2 really chemically reacts in the atmosphere were mostly ignored. CO2 does not react the same in real life that it does in the theoretical computer models. The chemistry in the atmosphere is much more complex than the computer models forecast. Rain washes out most of the CO2 in the atmosphere.

Then there was the Climategate revelations that data was manipulated by the scientists in order to prove what could not be proven with real data. This really blew the whistle on the scam. In addition to that we have the fact that both NASA and NOAA have been manipulating data.

Then you have the fact that after 30 years of this theory there is no credible evidence that the climate on earth is getting warmer due to man made influence. In fact the climate has been relatively stable for the last 15 years despite counties like China putting out tremendous more amounts of CO2 gasses. There is very credible evidence that the earth may be moving back into another mini ice age like happens every few hundred years. The last one was in medieval times.

We also need to understand that the “normal” temperature of the earth has been warmer than now with little permanent ice on the planet. That is the way it has been for a substantial part of the existence of the earth. This age of ice that we are in now is only about 2.7 million years old. However, there were other times in the Cryogenian period and the Late Ordovician Period where we had “snowball earth”.

AGW is just bad science because it has become a political issue. It has nothing to do with real science and more to do with the redistribution of wealth from the industrialized countries to the Third World. That is the real root of the scam.

Ever consider reading what the scientists are actually saying instead of just accepting what the rightwingnut sites say that they are saying? Your post shows a profound ignorance of this subject. Here is where you can come up to speed on it.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

This site is a site of the American Institute of Physics, the largest single scientific society on Earth.

Ever consider doing empirical research and finding out if what you are being told is true? Your models are broken and have no predictive power thus their conclusions and the policies made with them are DEAD WRONG.

You see, you eat everything your told hook line and sinker without question. Does CO2 retard heat loss? Yep it sure does, but the effect is quite different in the lab than it is in our atmosphere. But you ignore simple empirical evidence,

Why and how is it different in the lab than in the atmosphere? Do the properties of CO2 change simply by being in a larger container?

In the lab the other gases are controlled as is water vapor. In our atmosphere this is not a known mixture and it changes by 3-5% in a matter of minuets. It is this variability which neuters CO2 actions in our atmosphere.

So you're saying it's impossible to recreate our atmosphere in the lab because it's not a known mixture? Neuters? I think you need some corroboration for that whopper.

 

[jc456]

This is the hottest summer in at least 4,000 years.
2015 is on track to be the hottest year on record - CNN.com


Coincidence? I think not.

Global warming is real, fools.

Well, they're predicting one of the coldest winter is coming so "CHECKMATE"

Wonderful so it'll be -14 instead of -18.
You do understand why it's cold in the winter don't you?
Here's a little refresher from 6th grade.




Please realize that the mechanism that is warming the earth plays no role whatsoever in determining why it's cold in the winter.
Anyone who uses a snowball in an attempt to debunk climate change is an idiot.

So why'd the left predict no more snow? Hmmmmm

Does the left predict anything? Who said no more snow? Snow is just precipitation in cold weather.

No shit Sherlock, problem is, it was a prediction and failed.

 

[jc456]

[Q

No, it's when you see increases in all that stuff plus melting glaciers, rising seas, pole ward movement of species, ocean acidification, etc, that you know something big is going on.

The glaciers have been melting ever since the end of the last ice age. We are in a post glacier warming period and it will probably continue until the next ice age. The earth has generally been warmer than it is now. We are actually in a fairly cool period for the earth.

We are in a period of very good weather world wide and that is why we are able to grow enough food to feed seven billion people.

There is a silly correlation between the start of the industrial age and increased CO2 concentrations but that doesn't mean jackshit because there have been periods in the earth's history where CO2 concentrations have been higher than they are today but the earth has been cooler and times when the CO2 has been higher and the temperature higher. In fact there is significant data that shows CO2 concentrations lags temperature increases instead of the other way around.

You have been taken in by the Scammers. They make up data and you are gullible enough to believe it. So sad.

CO2 is the foundation of photosynthesis without which no life can exist.

What has happened is that the canny fools leading the ignorant have successfully and deliberately confused carbon dioxide, without which all plant life dies, with carbon monoxide.

Complete and utter retarded nonsense.

What is retarded mean? Making fun of the handicapped?