Home insurance and climate

[Sunsettommy]

The article posted was from a laboratory experiment.

You posted the standard Squid Ink Defense BECAUSE the laboratory refuses to validate your failed theory

Yeah he never addressed them thus it remains unchallenged; he is supposed to be a geologist but couldn't do it himself.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Sure, and I am Napoleon reincarnated. LOL And just where are you going to get the manpower to clear all the debris in the forests? There are 294,275 square miles of forest in the US. That is 818,814,000 acres. And much of the terrain is rather rough. How many tens of thousands of people are you going to hire on a year round basis for that work? Where are you going to get them, and how are you going to pay for them. Westie, you are an unfunny joke.

No one here made such a suggestion of such widespread coverage, and it doesn't have to be done annually either while laws have been put in place to PREVENT excessive debris clean up in many areas while Logging companies can clean up their messes more effectively....

Have you been hiking in many forested areas, the accumulations are not that problematic it is the few areas near cities that needed to be addressed which the California Fire demonstrated bigly.

Your ignorance and stupidity never cease to amaze me.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Funny that you simply ignore what is presently happening. Apparently you are living in an alternative universe. For major warming has both effects. It increases the amount of rain when it does rain, and also creates what today is being called flash droughts.

Drought Influences on Post-Wildfire Flooding and Debris Flow Hazard

While there is a strong connection between drought and wildfire in the western United States, how drought influences the post-wildfire environment is less well-understood, especially at shorter (1-3 year) timescales. The hazards posed by post-fire flooding and debris flows in burned landscapes...

www.drought.gov

Your article is specifically about the effects after a fire or a short drought time frame thus your claim is MISLEADING as it isn't comprehensive at all,

Document Description
While there is a strong connection between drought and wildfire in the western United States, how drought influences the post-wildfire environment is less well-understood, especially at shorter (1-3 year) timescales. The hazards posed by post-fire flooding and debris flows in burned landscapes depends on burn severity, underlying geology and topography, and vegetation recovery following the fire. Because vegetation recovery depends on weather and climate conditions, drought may play an important role in controlling the likelihood and magnitude of debris-flow hazards during the recovery process.

Yet no actual drought trend it seen in the data for US and globally:

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Droughts in the US have been decreasing, not increasing.

And here is the latest study from Nature Magazine showing, guess what? Globally, droughts are decreasing, not increasing.

Nor are the extremes in the amount of moisture (droughts, floods) increasing in the US.

And the same is true in Europe. No increase or decrease in droughts in 150 years.

There are a lot of claims that the current drought in the US West is a result of “global warming” … but that point of view is shortsighted with regard to the history of the West. Or as the IPCC says:

“Furthermore, Williams et al. (2020) used a combination of hydrological modelling and tree-ring reconstructions to show that the period from 2000 to 2018 was the driest 19-year span in south- western North America since the late 1500s. Nonetheless, tree rings also indicate the presence of prolonged megadroughts in western North America throughout the last millennium that were more severe than 20th and 21st century events (high confidence). These were associated with internal variability and indicate that large-magnitude changes in the water cycle may occur irrespective of anthropogenic influence.”

Then the history of MEGA drought in the West far worse than anything experienced in the last century,

LINK

 

[Sunsettommy]

What a fucked up lie. Here is are survey questions from a Scientific Society of which I am an affiliate member.

https://rock.geosociety.org/gsatoday/archive/23/1/table/i1052-5173-23-1-51.pdf

GSA Today - Groundwork - GSA members on climate change: Where, what, and ways forward?

No where does it show how many actually participated in the survey, maybe I missed it thus YOU will have to show the numbers.

Meanwhile what about the other 100 societies you made claim for, you didn't say a word about them.....

Epic Fail!

 

[Sunsettommy]

The problem is that fossil fuels produce far more pollution than just that used in electrical generation. And that graph was produced by a fossil fuel shill. Love the fact that the graph does not include the last four years. You see, if it did, it would look far different. For the cost of renewables has been going down every year prior to 2025, while for that period that price of fossil fuels has risen. Of course renewables are not going down now because of the tariffs and other impediments to the adaption renewables that our senile and demented President has put in place. But we will soon be past him, and the economics will force the adaption of renewables even without subsidies.

LOL, you completely failed to support your claim of massive subsidies for "fossil fuels" as my link showed you were profoundly incorrect, you come back with a weasely reply that failed badly.

No the economic heavily favors the 24/7 suppliers which works very well while the ruinables require massive tax breaks and subsidies to exist, but when they get cut back or shut off so does many companies go into decline or go bankrupt as ruinables isn't a profitable set up.

 

[westwall]

Your article is specifically about the effects after a fire or a short drought time frame thus your claim is MISLEADING as it isn't comprehensive at all,



Yet no actual drought trend it seen in the data for US and globally:

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Droughts in the US have been decreasing, not increasing.

View attachment 1135221

And here is the latest study from Nature Magazine showing, guess what? Globally, droughts are decreasing, not increasing.

View attachment 1135222

Nor are the extremes in the amount of moisture (droughts, floods) increasing in the US.

View attachment 1135223
And the same is true in Europe. No increase or decrease in droughts in 150 years.

View attachment 1135224

There are a lot of claims that the current drought in the US West is a result of “global warming” … but that point of view is shortsighted with regard to the history of the West. Or as the IPCC says:

“Furthermore, Williams et al. (2020) used a combination of hydrological modelling and tree-ring reconstructions to show that the period from 2000 to 2018 was the driest 19-year span in south- western North America since the late 1500s. Nonetheless, tree rings also indicate the presence of prolonged megadroughts in western North America throughout the last millennium that were more severe than 20th and 21st century events (high confidence). These were associated with internal variability and indicate that large-magnitude changes in the water cycle may occur irrespective of anthropogenic influence.”

Then the history of MEGA drought in the West far worse than anything experienced in the last century,
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LINK

There were several droughts that lasted 200 years or more. One drought lasted 300 years. All over a span of 1200 years.

So the paleo climate record tells us we are living in a very good period of time indeed.

 

[ding]

Tens of thousands of people are losing their home insurance due to increasing risk of fire and storms. Areas that used to be insurable are no longer insurable or only insurable at a rate that makes the mortgage unaffordable for most. But the deniers still insist nothing is happening. LOL

MSN

www.msn.com

It’s crazy that you think this is due to an incremental 120 ppm of atmospheric CO2.

 

[ReinyDays]

It’s crazy that you think this is due to an incremental 120 ppm of atmospheric CO2.

Maybe it could have to do with the 5,000,000 ppm inflation in the building materials market? ...

 

[Sunsettommy]

What a fucked up lie. Here is are survey questions from a Scientific Society of which I am an affiliate member.

https://rock.geosociety.org/gsatoday/archive/23/1/table/i1052-5173-23-1-51.pdf

GSA Today - Groundwork - GSA members on climate change: Where, what, and ways forward?

Second time I am asking you:

No where does it show how many actually participated in the survey, maybe I missed it thus YOU will have to show the numbers.

Meanwhile what about the other 100 societies you made claim for, you didn't say a word about them.....

 

[Captain Caveman]

Tens of thousands of people are losing their home insurance due to increasing risk of fire and storms. Areas that used to be insurable are no longer insurable or only insurable at a rate that makes the mortgage unaffordable for most. But the deniers still insist nothing is happening. LOL

MSN

www.msn.com

I've the cause for sea rise around the US -

 

[jc456]

Are there two versions of CO2, one for fires and one for floods?

funny, if the floods could happen at the same time as the fire, there'd be no fire, but still a flood.

 

[ReinyDays]

funny, if the floods could happen at the same time as the fire, there'd be no fire, but still a flood.

The Northern Hemisphere carbon dioxide spins counter-clockwise ... so it starts fires in summer and floods in winter ... the Southern Hemisphere carbon dioxide spins the opposite, in a clockwise direction which causes fires in summer and floods in winter ...

What 104% of scientists world-wide call "Cyclonic Cattle Feces" ...

 

[HikerGuy83]

Tens of thousands of people are losing their home insurance due to increasing risk of fire and storms. Areas that used to be insurable are no longer insurable or only insurable at a rate that makes the mortgage unaffordable for most. But the deniers still insist nothing is happening. LOL

MSN

www.msn.com

What exactly are deniers denying again?

 

[HikerGuy83]

LOL!!!

Too funny...

Why did you chicken out from defining "interglacial" when asked to?

It's what he does.

 

[HikerGuy83]

So Goddamned stupid of a post. Have you no comprehension of the size of the forests in the West? Or the fact that the conditions have changed? Over fifty years ago I worked for the Forest Service in Eastern Oregon. And fought several fires. At that time, most fires in the Malheur were measured in acres. And once in a while we would have high winds, but that was usually in the winter and spring. A 50 mile an hour wind, and mismanagement of the beginning of the fire allowed a burn that exceeded over 172 square miles. Failure to hit the fire early on before the high wind allowed it to explode. However, as there was another fire in the same area, it may have only slowed down the spread. Once the fire entered the Canyon Creek area, with it's very steep terrain, there was no stopping it. And this is the case in many areas. We are seeing huge fires from the extended dry periods, and a much more energetic atmosphere, which translates into high winds. 100,000 acre fires are no longer unusual. You want to manage the West's forests? How many 100 billions are you willing to spend? And where are you going to get the manpower? Especially now that we are running all the undocumented workers that used to do much of that kind of work out of the nation. Hell, we have crops rotting in the fields right now thanks to the bigotry of the braindead far right.

Weeks after Canyon Creek Complex fire, many weighing whether it's worth it to rebuild

The Canyon Creek Complex fire charred more than 172 square miles, or more than 110,000 acres, destroying 43 homes.

www.oregonlive.com

Were you describing your post? Seems like it.

 

[jc456]

The Northern Hemisphere carbon dioxide spins counter-clockwise ... so it starts fires in summer and floods in winter ... the Southern Hemisphere carbon dioxide spins the opposite, in a clockwise direction which causes fires in summer and floods in winter ...

What 104% of scientists world-wide call "Cyclonic Cattle Feces" ...

I thought Texas just had a big ass flood in summer that unalived a few folks, In the northern hemisphere.

 

[ReinyDays]

I thought Texas just had a big ass flood in summer that unalived a few folks, In the northern hemisphere.

That was Southern Hemisphere carbon dioxide, spinning clockwise, and it's currently winter in the Southern Hemisphere ... thus flooding instead of burning ...

You don't seem to know much about bullshit ... Cyclonic or otherwise ...

 

[westwall]

That was Southern Hemisphere carbon dioxide, spinning clockwise, and it's currently winter in the Southern Hemisphere ... thus flooding instead of burning ...

You don't seem to know much about bullshit ... Cyclonic or otherwise ...

The flooding in Texas is what he's talking about. Happened in the Summer. So I don't know what you are blabbering about.

 

[ReinyDays]

The flooding in Texas is what he's talking about. Happened in the Summer. So I don't know what you are blabbering about.

I'm responding to C'Frank's comment about two types of CO2 ... that's a long-standing joke on these boards ... SSDD made some claims that just kinda took on a life of their own ... we use it when the Hystericals make opposite claims at the same time ... see? ... because there's "two types of CO2" ... ha ha ... get it? ... one for flooding and one for burning ...

But now I'm curious ... what part of "Cyclonic Cattle Feces" did you not understand? ...

 

[ding]

I thought Texas just had a big ass flood in summer that unalived a few folks, In the northern hemisphere.

It was a flash flood.