Hitler's Socialism 1933-1939

[Annie]

To argue against "this"? I've always gone by the adage watch their feet, not their lips. Watching from the perspective of history, Hitler was evil, in word and deed.

Yes but he did push for social reform and see where that got them. Thats why he was so beloved by the german people, at least until the last years of the war.

I don't believe you have an understanding of history, especially the period between the wars; posting Hitler was "beloved" goes beyond hyperbole. Hitler appealed to the German people's emotions, hates and fears. He found people to blame, and convinced the willfully ignorant to hate and fear others.
Sounds a bit familiar to today's rhetoric.

indeed. Sounds very much like Obama in 2007/2008.

 

[Sallow]

Is Dick Cheney the same as Josef Stalin?

Naw.

Stalin actually served in the military.

 

[Sallow]

Yes but he did push for social reform and see where that got them. Thats why he was so beloved by the german people, at least until the last years of the war.

I don't believe you have an understanding of history, especially the period between the wars; posting Hitler was "beloved" goes beyond hyperbole. Hitler appealed to the German people's emotions, hates and fears. He found people to blame, and convinced the willfully ignorant to hate and fear others.
Sounds a bit familiar to today's rhetoric.

indeed. Sounds very much like Obama in 2007/2008.

Naw..I don't think President Obama ever made a treaty with the Pope..like Hitler did..

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So let me get your rationalization straight.
Because Dems pass a law that takes from the rich to help the poor that makes them the same as the Nazis who say don't take from the rich to help the poor, the poor need to help themselves.
BRILLIANT

Let me get this straight you do not understand the constutitonality of taxes?

Article 1, Section. 8.
Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Article I, Section. 9.
Clause 4: No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

Nice diversion!
This has nothing to do with the constitutionality of taxes, as you well know. It has to do with the fact that both the Nazis and the CON$ are anti taking money from the rich and helping the poor and pro the poor helping themselves. CON$ and Nazis have the same identical social philosophy.

Let's readdress what you said earlier
Article 1, Section. 8. says taxes shall be uniformed meaning equal proportionate

Article I, Section. 9 has that proportionate word again. Taking money from someone else to give to another person is not protected by the Constitution.
Because Dems pass a law that takes from the rich STOP
Now let's read what the Constitution says about taxes,

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I don't believe you have an understanding of history, especially the period between the wars; posting Hitler was "beloved" goes beyond hyperbole. Hitler appealed to the German people's emotions, hates and fears. He found people to blame, and convinced the willfully ignorant to hate and fear others.
Sounds a bit familiar to today's rhetoric.

indeed. Sounds very much like Obama in 2007/2008.

Naw..I don't think President Obama ever made a treaty with the Pope..like Hitler did..

But obama has reached out his hand to muslim country's

 

[Sallow]

indeed. Sounds very much like Obama in 2007/2008.

Naw..I don't think President Obama ever made a treaty with the Pope..like Hitler did..

But obama has reached out his hand to muslim country's

True..but Hitler hated Muslims..and Jews. Along with Gypsies, Homosexuals, Blacks, and basically about everyone else except Christians. And even among those..he hated Liberals.

Sound familiar?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

socialism doesn't work

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrCKhljpz3E&feature=sub[/ame]

 

[westwall]

He appealed to the hate and fears of the people. Didn't you ever take world history? Do you believe the Great Depression was only an American event, one cause by Woodrow Wilson? (do expand your reading, some of what you read from female conservatives on this MB is propaganda, not history).
BTW, which American Company helped build the German War Machine and after being bombed by the Alies during WWII, sued for the damage to their factories?
Anyone know?

You should do likewise, religion is no longer the greatest killer of people. Socialism run amok is far and away the big winner there, by several orders of magnitude.

Really? I'll ignore the "no longer" and bet The Crusades. Your bet.

The Crusades was responsible for low end 125k and high end 300k. The Inquision and other Catholic pogroms another 100k or so. The burning of witches, low end estimate 30k, high end 100k. We'll double the high end estimates for all of the deaths just to be on the conservative side so that brings us up to an even million. Stalin alone murdered 25 million (low end estimate, the high end is 80 million), China's Culteral Revolution low end estimate 35 million and the high end estimate is 150 million and even the relatively tiny Khmer Rouge managed to murder at least 1 million in their efforts to take Cambodia back to an agrarian backwater.

Read a book someday.

 

[Sallow]

You should do likewise, religion is no longer the greatest killer of people. Socialism run amok is far and away the big winner there, by several orders of magnitude.

Really? I'll ignore the "no longer" and bet The Crusades. Your bet.

The Crusades was responsible for low end 125k and high end 300k. The Inquision and other Catholic pogroms another 100k or so. The burning of witches, low end estimate 30k, high end 100k. We'll double the high end estimates for all of the deaths just to be on the conservative side so that brings us up to an even million. Stalin alone murdered 25 million (low end estimate, the high end is 80 million), China's Culteral Revolution low end estimate 35 million and the high end estimate is 150 million and even the relatively tiny Khmer Rouge managed to murder at least 1 million in their efforts to take Cambodia back to an agrarian backwater.

Read a book someday.

Sure.

Had Eisenhower let the general election take place in Vietnam..about 4 million (low end) 6 million (high end) Vietnamese, Laotian and Cambodian would not have died as a result of American actions..but with direct conflict and indirect political instability.

 

[westwall]

Naw..I don't think President Obama ever made a treaty with the Pope..like Hitler did..

But obama has reached out his hand to muslim country's

True..but Hitler hated Muslims..and Jews. Along with Gypsies, Homosexuals, Blacks, and basically about everyone else except Christians. And even among those..he hated Liberals.

Sound familiar?

Hitler was an atheist and hated all religions.

 

[westwall]

Really? I'll ignore the "no longer" and bet The Crusades. Your bet.

The Crusades was responsible for low end 125k and high end 300k. The Inquision and other Catholic pogroms another 100k or so. The burning of witches, low end estimate 30k, high end 100k. We'll double the high end estimates for all of the deaths just to be on the conservative side so that brings us up to an even million. Stalin alone murdered 25 million (low end estimate, the high end is 80 million), China's Culteral Revolution low end estimate 35 million and the high end estimate is 150 million and even the relatively tiny Khmer Rouge managed to murder at least 1 million in their efforts to take Cambodia back to an agrarian backwater.

Read a book someday.

Sure.

Had Eisenhower let the general election take place in Vietnam..about 4 million (low end) 6 million (high end) Vietnamese, Laotian and Cambodian would not have died as a result of American actions..but with direct conflict and indirect political instability.

No argument from me, I think our involvement in VN was a horrible disaster. The only people who benefited from that fiasco was LBJ and the military industrial complex which was built in Texas to support the war.

 

[Sallow]

But obama has reached out his hand to muslim country's

True..but Hitler hated Muslims..and Jews. Along with Gypsies, Homosexuals, Blacks, and basically about everyone else except Christians. And even among those..he hated Liberals.

Sound familiar?

Hitler was an atheist and hated all religions.

No..he was not.

 

[Annie]

But obama has reached out his hand to muslim country's

True..but Hitler hated Muslims..and Jews. Along with Gypsies, Homosexuals, Blacks, and basically about everyone else except Christians. And even among those..he hated Liberals.

Sound familiar?

Hitler was an atheist and hated all religions.

True, but he exploited all religions. Sounds familiar?

 

[Sallow]

True..but Hitler hated Muslims..and Jews. Along with Gypsies, Homosexuals, Blacks, and basically about everyone else except Christians. And even among those..he hated Liberals.

Sound familiar?

Hitler was an atheist and hated all religions.

True, but he exploited all religions. Sounds familiar?

Revisionist history doesn't help your "cause".

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Naw..I don't think President Obama ever made a treaty with the Pope..like Hitler did..

But obama has reached out his hand to muslim country's

True..but Hitler hated Muslims..and Jews. Along with Gypsies, Homosexuals, Blacks, and basically about everyone else except Christians. And even among those..he hated Liberals.

Sound familiar?

No I don't think Hitler hated muslims he used them

The series of articles about this dark period of Bosnian Muslim's WWII history
Handzar SS Division -- Bosnian Moslem Nazi Past

Amin Al Husseini spends WWII by Hitler's side.

Photos and Documents of Amin Al Husseini: Nazi Father of Jihad, Al Qaeda, Arafat, Saddam Hussein and the Muslim Brotherhood

 

[Article 15]

True..but Hitler hated Muslims..and Jews. Along with Gypsies, Homosexuals, Blacks, and basically about everyone else except Christians. And even among those..he hated Liberals.

Sound familiar?

Hitler was an atheist and hated all religions.

True, but he exploited all religions. Sounds familiar?

Really, Annie?

This is the kind of post I expect from the herp-a-derp crowd.

 

[Sallow]

But obama has reached out his hand to muslim country's

True..but Hitler hated Muslims..and Jews. Along with Gypsies, Homosexuals, Blacks, and basically about everyone else except Christians. And even among those..he hated Liberals.

Sound familiar?

No I don't think Hitler hated muslims

The series of articles about this dark period of Bosnian Muslim's WWII history
Handzar SS Division -- Bosnian Moslem Nazi Past

Amin Al Husseini spends WWII by Hitler's side.

Photos and Documents of Amin Al Husseini: Nazi Father of Jihad, Al Qaeda, Arafat, Saddam Hussein and the Muslim Brotherhood

 

[westwall]

True..but Hitler hated Muslims..and Jews. Along with Gypsies, Homosexuals, Blacks, and basically about everyone else except Christians. And even among those..he hated Liberals.

Sound familiar?

Hitler was an atheist and hated all religions.

No..he was not.

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed." Goebbels

"...under the leadership of Rosenberg, Bormann and Himmler, who were backed by Hitler, the Nazi regime intended eventually to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old paganism of the early tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists. As Bormann, one of the men closest to Hitler, said publicly in 1941, 'National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable.'

What the Hitler government envisioned for Germany was clearly set out in a thirty-point program for the 'National Reich Church' drawn up during the war by Rosenberg, an outspoken pagan...


"The National Reich Church of Germany categorically claims the exclusive right and the exclusive power to control all churches within the borders of the Reich: it declares these to be national churches of the German Reich.

"The National Church is determined to exterminate irrevocably...the strange and foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800...

"The National Church has no scribes, pastors, chaplains or priests, but National Reich orators are to speak in them.

"The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany...'"

"On the altars there must be nothing but 'Mein Kampf' (to the German nation and therefore to God the most sacred book) and to the left of the altar a sword.

"On the day of its foundation, the Christian Cross must be removed from all churches, cathedrals and chapels...and it must be superseded by the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika."

(The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by William L. Shirer, p. 240 in some editions, p. 332 in others. Chapter headed "Triumph and Consolidation", subsection "The Persecution of the Christian Churches")

"National Socialist and Christian concepts are incompatible. The Christian Churches build upon the ignorance of men and strive to keep large portions of the people in ignorance because only in this way can the Christian Churches maintain their power. On the other hand, National Socialism is based on scientific foundations. Christianity's immutable principles, which were laid down almost two thousand years ago, have increasingly stiffened into life-alien dogmas. National Socialism, however, if it wants to fulfill its task further, must always guide itself according to the newest data of scientific researches.

"The Christian Churches have long been aware that exact scientific knowledge poses a threat to their existence. Therefore, by means of such pseudo-sciences as theology, they take great pains to suppress or falsify scientific research...No one would know anything about Christianity if pastors had not crammed it down his throat in his childhood. The so-called loving God by no means reveals the knowledge of His existence to young people, but amazingly enough, and despite His omnipotence, He leaves this to the efforts of a pastor. When in the future our youth no longer hear anything about this Christianity, whose doctrine is far below our own, Christianity will automatically disappear.

"[...] When we National Socialists speak of a belief in God...[we mean] [t]he force which moves all these bodies in the universe, in accordance with natural law, is what we call the Almighty or God. The assertion that this world-force can worry about the fate of every individual, every bacillus on earth, and that it can be influenced by so-called prayer or other astonishing things, is based either on a suitable dose of naivete or on outright commercial effrontery."

"Any influence that would impair or damage the leadership of the people exercised by the Fuhrer with the aid of the NSDAP has to be eliminated. To an ever increasing degree the people must be wrested from Churches and their agents, the pastors...Only the Reich leadership, together with the party and the organs and associations connected with it, has a right to lead the people. Just as the harmful influence of astrologists, soothsayers, and other swindlers has been suppressed by the state, so it must be absolutely impossible for the Church to exercise its old influence."

(Martin Bormann, Reich Leader, 1942, 'National Socialist and Christian Concepts are Incompatible', From Kirchliches Jahrbuch fur die evangelische Kirche in Deutschland, 1933-1944, pp. 470-472, quoted pp. 245-247, George L. Mosse, Nazi Culture: A Documentary History).

"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

(Adolf Hitler, quoted by Albert Speer, p. 96, Inside the Third Reich.)

"The German people is no longer blinded by illusions as at the time of the Reformation. It has come to recognize not only Judaism, but Christianity too, as foreign to its genius.-- Der Blitz, January 12, 1936, quoted p. 6, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).

"But today a new faith is awakening: the myth of the blood...Then in place of the Old Testament stories of cattle breeders and the exploitation of prostitutes, we shall have the Nordic sagas and fairy tales, at first simply recounted, later assuming the form of symbols." (Alfred Rosenberg, Myth of the Twentieth Century, 1932, quoted p. 6, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).

"The teaching of mercy and love of one's neighbor is foreign to the German race and the Sermon on the Mount is according to Nordic sentiment an ethic for cowards and idiots.-- Hans Hauptmann, Bolshevism in the Bible (Nazi textbook), 1937, quoted p. 28, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).

"If Jehovah has lost all meaning for us Germans, the same must be said of Jesus Christ, his son...He certainly lacks those characteristics which he would require to be a true German. Indeed, he is as disappointing, if we read his record carefully, as is his father.-- E. K. Heidemann, 'What the Christian Does not Know about Christianity,' September, 1935, quoted p. 105, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).


There are many, many more. Hitler used religion as a tool. He realised that he could not abrogate it immediately but that was his goal.

You need to read a book too!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

True..but Hitler hated Muslims..and Jews. Along with Gypsies, Homosexuals, Blacks, and basically about everyone else except Christians. And even among those..he hated Liberals.

Sound familiar?

No I don't think Hitler hated muslims

The series of articles about this dark period of Bosnian Muslim's WWII history
Handzar SS Division -- Bosnian Moslem Nazi Past

Amin Al Husseini spends WWII by Hitler's side.

Photos and Documents of Amin Al Husseini: Nazi Father of Jihad, Al Qaeda, Arafat, Saddam Hussein and the Muslim Brotherhood

So history is funny to you?

 

[Sallow]

No I don't think Hitler hated muslims

The series of articles about this dark period of Bosnian Muslim's WWII history
Handzar SS Division -- Bosnian Moslem Nazi Past

Amin Al Husseini spends WWII by Hitler's side.

Photos and Documents of Amin Al Husseini: Nazi Father of Jihad, Al Qaeda, Arafat, Saddam Hussein and the Muslim Brotherhood

So history is funny to you?

Germany was allied with Japan and Italy. What do you really think Hitler felt about the Italians and Japanese.

You dredge up some obscure Bosnian unit? And a couple of nutty imans?