History Should Boost Critical Thinking

[Uncensored2008]

America was supplying the Japanese with our resources to invade China and kill Chinese. Some Americans, including FDR, believed that to be wrong so we stopped sending Japan our materials to continue those acts. What Japan was to do without our oil and other materials was Japan's decision, but for some Americans that became enough to blame FDR for Pearl Harbor.
There was no manual written on how to stop depressions, Republicans had spent almost four years waiting for it to end like other depressions, but it didn't end. By 1932 people were hungry and some other nations were changing their governments.
FDR ran a campaign that he would try to end it by one means or another, he would experiment, and he did.

Are you REALLY this stupid?

America was supplying the Japanese with our resources to invade China and kill Chinese

You're not just fucktarded boi, you're REGENT fucktarded!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I guess all this time I have been thinking liberalism is more concerned about people and conservatives more about corporations.?

thats because you are liberal and stupid. A corporations is a group of people who must raise other peoples' standard of living at the fastest possible rate just to survive. No activity is more saintly.

Why not write that 100 times and then ask your mother to explain it to you every day??

 

[Unkotare]

I guess all this time I have been thinking liberalism is more concerned about people and conservatives more about corporations.

That's what someone plugged into your empty head.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So if Hoover wanted to loan money to corporations and not see that the people fed he was a conservative.

loaning money to corporation would be liberal fascist, not conservative. A liberal is 100% stupid and has to be taught everything.

if a president wants to see people fed he switches to capitalism like China did to instantly eliminate 40% of world poverty.

 

[regent]

Might check and see how much oil Japan produced and how much Japan needed. Why did America stop selling high octane gas to Japan? The average American knew why Japan was buying our scrap metal and what it was being used for. Why did Japan attack the United States, what was their purpose, Many of Japan's leaders did not believe Japan could win a war with the US, so why?

 

[regent]

I guess all this time I have been thinking liberalism is more concerned about people and conservatives more about corporations.

That's what someone plugged into your empty head.

More critical thinking on your part, I guess. If you finished high school you should know something about history and politics. Can you define conservative or liberal? I should have added a scholastic definition, but we'll see what comes out.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Might check and see how much oil Japan produced and how much Japan needed. Why did America stop selling high octane gas to Japan? The average American knew why Japan was buying our scrap metal and what it was being used for. Why did Japan attack the United States, what was their purpose, Many of Japan's leaders did not believe Japan could win a war with the US, so why?

Trying to back away from your retardation?

The USA, FAR from aiding Japan, imposed an embargo on oil from Iran, that Japan depended on, not only for their war efforts in China, but for their domestic economy. We engaged in a blockade of the ships transporting oil to Japan from the Persian gulf.

Japan China the United States and the Road to Pearl Harbor 1937 41 - 1937 1945 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

You're an ignorant fuck who thinks that your partisanship makes up for your complete and utter lack of education.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. Can you define conservative or liberal? .

conservative - for freedom
liberal - for government

 

[regent]

When FDR imposed an oil embargo on Japan, Japan had to make a decision about her oil needs. Eighty percent of oil Japan was using came from America; since Japan was using that American oil to invade China the US decided to stop selling oil to Japan. What Japan did because of that oil embargo was Japan's decision.

 

[Jroc]

I suggest this racist, anti American, anti Christian, piece of shit move to one of those "nice muslim countries he loves to defend so much.

I'm sure ISIS boi Guano is posting from a nice camp in Syria.

Batshit is on an internet Jihad to destroy the hated Christians.

Yeah i kinda thought him a plant....He's claiming to be a Jew in order to make we real Jews look bad..

 

[regent]

But Hoover did bring in RFC that loaned to companies to make more of their products; products that were already stacked in their warehouses.

so you understand that Hoover was liberal??

He may have been liberal in his concern that people should not go hungry, and children should not have to go through garbage looking for something to eat. He did keep a litany going, however, that prosperity was just around the corner, and people should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, the usual conservative answer to poverty. But for helping people, which is liberal, he was a bust, and for helping corporations, which is conservative, he was great. Historians rated Hoover just below Bush who was the fifth worst American president so all the evidence says Hoover had to be a conservative.

 

[BlackSand]

I am just glad that so many people are for the idea that opinion amounts to history.
This is going to make a lot of things easier.

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[EdwardBaiamonte]

all the evidence says Hoover had to be a conservative.

100% stupid and liberal as usual!!
the Hoover interventions include: expanded public works( ever heard of Hoover dam), greater government control over agriculture, the Smoot-Hawley tariff, a virtual end to immigration, government loans for construction and other businesses ... Most important was Hoover’s pressuring businesses to not cut wages even as the prices of their output fell. The result was higher real wages, which were responsible for the unemployment rate topping out at 25 percent, causing the greatest human toll of the Great Depression. [1]
Hoover, much like FDR, was skeptical about free markets. [2]

"We didn't admit it at the time, but practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs that Hoover started."

Rexford Guy Tugwell, Roosevelt Advisor

 

[Liminal]

Something those on the right fail to do


In “Bye, Bye, American History” (Wonder Land, June 11), Daniel Henninger cites the new AP U.S. History curriculum: “Many Europeans developed a belief in white superiority to justify their subjugation of Africans and American Indians, using several different rationales.”
Repeating Mistakes of History Without Knowing Them - WSJ

History Should Boost Critical Thinking - WSJ

People who try to judge historic events and people in a modern context are stupid and superficial.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Internment camps (some like the name concentration) were a fact for scores of thousands in Great Britain during WWII.

BBC - WW2 People s War - Timeline and Civilian Internment in Britain during WW2

So did Canada, who interned Japanese as well Italians and other perceived enemies of the state. Here is a picture of one of them.

Tainted The Treatment of Japanese-Canadians during World War Two

Canada internment camps in WWII - Google Search

Japanese Canadian internment - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Italian-Canadian internment - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
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[Liminal]

What happens when the best American historians name FDR as America's best president, then the American historians are called socialists, leftists etc.
Most industrial nations on the planet have an economic mixture, socialism and capitalism.

Because that is what they are!

Unless you supported FDR invading a country that did not attack the US.
Lying the US in to WWII
Rounding up US citizens and putting them in to camps without any due process.
For building the great military industrial complex.
For creating many socialist programs that were supposed to be temporary.

Hey stupid......which country did FDR wrongly invade? I can hardly wait for the dim wit answer to that one.

 

[Unkotare]

... helping people, which is liberal... helping corporations, which is conservative....

This is, of course, deliberately inaccurate. Pretty hard to have a discussion of history when participants dishonestly present subjective partisan bias as 'fact,' or incessantly resort to logical fallacy. Let's present the facts of history that all can agree upon and evaluate them rationally. There will still be plenty of room for opinion and interpretation.

 

[westwall]

But Hoover did bring in RFC that loaned to companies to make more of their products; products that were already stacked in their warehouses.

so you understand that Hoover was liberal??

He may have been liberal in his concern that people should not go hungry, and children should not have to go through garbage looking for something to eat. He did keep a litany going, however, that prosperity was just around the corner, and people should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, the usual conservative answer to poverty. But for helping people, which is liberal, he was a bust, and for helping corporations, which is conservative, he was great. Historians rated Hoover just below Bush who was the fifth worst American president so all the evidence says Hoover had to be a conservative.

Religious groups have helped far more people than governments have. So it is not a "liberal" goal to help people. Human beings throughout history have been of two types. Those who can help others and those who need the help. Obviously those who can help are outnumbered by those who need in many parts of the world.

The difference is the philosophy of how those people are helped. Liberals (actually progressives) feel that government is best able to do the job while conservatives feel that church and other non governmental groups are better at it.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Liberals (actually progressives) feel that government is best able to do the job while conservatives feel that church and other non governmental groups are better at it.

not really, conservatives feel that capitalism does the job best as just exhibited by China which switched to it from liberalism and instantly ended 40% of world poverty.

 

[regent]

But Hoover did bring in RFC that loaned to companies to make more of their products; products that were already stacked in their warehouses.

so you understand that Hoover was liberal??

He may have been liberal in his concern that people should not go hungry, and children should not have to go through garbage looking for something to eat. He did keep a litany going, however, that prosperity was just around the corner, and people should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, the usual conservative answer to poverty. But for helping people, which is liberal, he was a bust, and for helping corporations, which is conservative, he was great. Historians rated Hoover just below Bush who was the fifth worst American president so all the evidence says Hoover had to be a conservative.

Religious groups have helped far more people than governments have. So it is not a "liberal" goal to help people. Human beings throughout history have been of two types. Those who can help others and those who need the help. Obviously those who can help are outnumbered by those who need in many parts of the world.

The difference is the philosophy of how those people are helped. Liberals (actually progressives) feel that government is best able to do the job while conservatives feel that church and other non governmental groups are better at it.

When push came to shove, however, private charities, religious groups and not even county nor state charities could handle the demand during the Great Depression, so the national government came in to help. The national government helped business, hospitals, cities, airports, road improvements, farmers, young men that could not find work, and adults that needed jobs and on and on. I wonder if the national government might have helped religions and churches, during that period; wouldn't surprise me?