February is Black History Month: The Six Triple Eight - The Netflix Story of the Only All-Negro, All-Female Battalion Deployed to Europe During WWII

[Flopper]

Agree. When a white person and a black person go up for the same job or promotion, and the white is more qualified, the white should get it. Under DEI, the black gets it.

That is anti-white discrimination. And one cannot get rid of racism by simply shifting the target to a different race.

Didn't know that still existed. For over 40 years my job involved hiring dozens of people. I always hired based who I believe was the most qualified.

However, the best qualified did not necessary mean the most experienced, highest sales quota best GPA, or SAT. I always considered life experience and personality an important job qualifications. The people I hired had to fit into the organization and work well with our customers.

I have always believe that the stories of less qualified minorities being hired over more qualified candidates today are greatly exaggerated. Yes, it happens and at one time it was pretty common. Today, people that make those claims rarely have all the facts. Job candidates that fail to get jobs are always looking for scapegoats. The black woman, the guy in wheelchair, the Chinese kid, the Mexican are common scapegoats.

 

[fncceo]

Black folks can sort the mail.

You must be so proud.

Lots of minorities disguised themselves in the Second World War… and they didn’t do it from the safety of an office building hundreds of miles from the front.

The Women’s Airforce Service Pilots (WASP). All female flying unit that ferried unarmed planes right into the thick of the fighting.

Tuskegee Airmen. All Black fighter pilots with one of the best air combat records of the war.

Red Ball Express a 70% Black logistics machine that kept D-Day supplied through enemy territory and helped turn the tide of the war.

The 442nd Regimental Combat Team primarily formed of American born Japanese (while their families were locked up in concentration camp in America) who were the mostly highly decorated unit of the war.

Lots of people contributed to winning that war. Even if you want all their stories told, let’s not prioritize the clerk typists.

 

[Flopper]

I'm done hearing about "white guilt".

It is a shame that this movie was made in this day and age.

The term white guilt dates back to the days of slavery. James Baldwin's essay revived it about 50 years ago. Sociologist who studied it report that it does exist but only in a very small segment of American society specifical people who work with poor and underprivileged.

It is not common because people do not generally feel guilty over what others have done.

Movies about those that have been subjected to bias and discrimination and have risen above it make good drama and good dramas make good money in movie business.

 

[Correll]

The term white guilt dates back to the days of slavery. James Baldwin's essay revived it about 50 years ago. Sociologist who studied it report that it does exist but only in a very small segment of American society specifical people who work with poor and underprivileged.

That clearly nonsense. We have built a massive system of anti-white discrimination.

Did you see the reviews of The Lost Generation?

It...

Movies about those that have been subjected to bias and discrimination and have risen above it make good drama and good dramas make good money in movie business.

It reinforces a false narrative that this is a WHITE SUPRAMIST nation, to justify the current system of anti-white racism.

 

[Flopper]

That clearly nonsense. We have built a massive system of anti-white discrimination.

Did you see the reviews of The Lost Generation?






It reinforces a false narrative that this is a WHITE SUPRAMIST nation, to justify the current system of anti-white racism.

Based on available research, there is no evidence to support the claim that Black people are responsible for a "new lost generation." Instead, analysis indicates that Black Americans, particularly Generation X and Millennials, have faced the collapse of community-level institutions, systemic economic disparities, and generational wealth gaps that have created significant challenges.

 

[Correll]

Based on available research, there is no evidence to support the claim that Black people are responsible for a "new lost generation."

Well, that's interesting. And by interestsing I mean irrelevant. I said NOTHING like BLACKS WERE RESPONSIBLE.

The people responsible are the policy makers, both in government and corporations.

They have built a number of massive systems and institutions of anti-white discrimination and oppression.


EVERYONE has seen minorities given slots, hired or promoted, when they did not earn it though merit.

This is at the cost of non-minorities, ie whites.

It is insane to think, when discussing limited resources, such as school slots or jobs, that you can give one group stuff, and it not be at the expense of the other group.

Instead, analysis indicates that Black Americans, particularly Generation X and Millennials, have faced the collapse of community-level institutions, systemic economic disparities, and generational wealth gaps that have created significant challenges.

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That blacks still have various problems despite the massive discrimnination in their favor, is very sad. For them.


It does not justify the massive discrimination in favor of them.

 

[Flopper]

Well, that's interesting. And by interestsing I mean irrelevant. I said NOTHING like BLACKS WERE RESPONSIBLE.

The people responsible are the policy makers, both in government and corporations.

They have built a number of massive systems and institutions of anti-white discrimination and oppression.


EVERYONE has seen minorities given slots, hired or promoted, when they did not earn it though merit.

This is at the cost of non-minorities, ie whites.

It is insane to think, when discussing limited resources, such as school slots or jobs, that you can give one group stuff, and it not be at the expense of the other group.









That blacks still have various problems despite the massive discrimnination in their favor, is very sad. For them.


It does not justify the massive discrimination in favor of them.

Today, there are no federal programs requiring businesses to hire Black individuals. Most corporate programs that once had quotas have been changed by implementing skill based hiring programs that eliminate sex, race, and ethnicity from hiring process: This includes

• Structured Interviews: Using a standardized set of questions for every candidate and evaluate them based on a set of consistent, merit-based criteria.
• Blind Resume Screening: Removing identifiable information, such as names, graduation years, and addresses, to reduce implicit bias in the initial screening stages.
• Remove Unnecessary Qualifications: Auditing job descriptions to remove "pedigree" requirements (e.g., specific elite universities) that do not directly correlate with job performance.
• Skills-Based Assessments: Implementing tests that evaluate a candidate's ability to perform the job, such as work-sample tests, rather than relying solely on interviews.

Claims of racial, sexual, and ethnic bias will always exist in the workplace because employees and candidates for jobs do not have all the information. So when a black is select as the new boss over whites or a black is chosen for a job over whites, the claim that he was selected because he was black is to be expected because people that make those claims rarely have all the information.

And there is always scapegoating. No one likes to admit that they were not as well qualified for the job, so claiming the black got the job because he was black is less damaging to the ego.

 

[Correll]

That was a shockingly serious and in depth answer, and I do appreciate it, and I really want to address each and every serious point you made.

But first, the money shot. Answer this, then I will go back and address each point you made seriously and honestly.

Today, there are no federal programs requiring businesses to hire Black individuals. ....

That IMPLIES that there WERE federal programs that did require businesses to hire black individuals.

Do you admit that? There there were such programs and that thus they would have discriminated against white people AND result at least some of the time, in unqualified or less qualified non-whites getting a slot or promotion or job or ect, at the expense of whites?

Also, did you support that, or not?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The chance this movie is even marginally accurate to the truth is - maybe 1%.
Guaranteed overstating problems and leaving out anything that is good.
AI says the film made significant exaggerations of conditions "for effect".

I will skip it.

 

[Flopper]

That was a shockingly serious and in depth answer, and I do appreciate it, and I really want to address each and every serious point you made.

But first, the money shot. Answer this, then I will go back and address each point you made seriously and honestly.






That IMPLIES that there WERE federal programs that did require businesses to hire black individuals.

Do you admit that? There there were such programs and that thus they would have discriminated against white people AND result at least some of the time, in unqualified or less qualified non-whites getting a slot or promotion or job or ect, at the expense of whites?

Also, did you support that, or not?

Having DEI offices handle claims was far better than the alternative which would be the courts.

Anti disclinations laws which are still on the books do not require that businesses hire blacks, they require that businesses provide equal employment opportunity for protected classes. The major change by Trump's executive order shuts down the federal offices that investigated DEI claims.

When a person believed they were being illegally discriminated again in the workplace they had to file a DEI claim before entering a lawsuit. About 90% of the claims were settled by these offices out of court. For claims the agency felt were valid, which was less than half the claims, the agency negotiated with the claimant and business to reach a resolution which often resulted in changes in hiring practices.

Offices that handled DEI never issued hiring mandates. Those mandates came from the courts which will now be handling all DEI claims which will not be good for either the defendant nor the plaintiff.

 

[IM2]

Stupid thing.
WHen we add Irish history month, or German, or Polish, or Swedish or Northlander etc. etc. - then it is okay.
Blacks haven't contribute more to America than any of these have contributed. Inclusivity - not exclusivity.

Those months are included in American history. Black History Month was created because Black accomplishments have been excluded. End your psychosis and discuss the topic.

 

[IM2]

The chance this movie is even marginally accurate to the truth is - maybe 1%.
Guaranteed overstating problems and leaving out anything that is good.
AI says the film made significant exaggerations of conditions "for effect".

I will skip it.

There was no overstating or exaggeration. AI doesn't beat the actual stories of the women who were part of that unit. End your psychosis an accept reality.

 

[IM2]

This is false. DEI has nothing to do with accepting less qualified candidates. No uncertified black person has been hired for an air traffic controller role for example. No uncertified black person has been hired as an electrician, or plumber, or nurse, or pilot.

DEI would have been a great help to Jews in Germany once.

You're a basket case.

White women such as Lisa benefited the most from DEI. Lisa was a DEI hire. Her ignorance about the policy is clear every time she posts, and this thread is not about DEI.

 

[MarathonMike]

This is false. DEI has nothing to do with accepting less qualified candidates. No uncertified black person has been hired for an air traffic controller role for example. No uncertified black person has been hired as an electrician, or plumber, or nurse, or pilot.

And how in the world would a British citizen have any idea about what the DEI driven hiring practices have been in the US for government positions or otherwise? You get your "soda straw" view of our country through Democrat mouthpieces like CNN.

 

[Flopper]

Data indicates that while isolated incidents of bias against white individuals may occur, there is no evidence of systemic, widespread discrimination against white people in the U.S. Instead, studies consistently show that white Americans remain the most advantaged group, with significantly lower rates of reported discrimination compared to Black, Latino, and Asian Americans.

So where do the stories of discrimination against white people in the workplace originate. RIGHT HERE and dozens of social media sites. A white person has a good interview and decides he's got that job and low and behold, some black get's it, a clear case of reverse discrimination.

5 white guy waiting to hear who get's the promotion and the new hire, a black guy get's it, another clear case of reverse discrimination.

Whenever, a white person doesn't get a job or promotion they thought they would get and a black person get's it, they ask why. All to often the answer will be because the guy was black. It is nothing but scapegoating, magnified by social media.

 

[Churchill]

And how in the world would a British citizen have any idea about what the DEI driven hiring practices have been in the US for government positions or otherwise?

I can read, we speak the same (approx) language.

You get your "soda straw" view of our country through Democrat mouthpieces like CNN.

DEI is about ensuring everyone qualified for some role gets a fair chance to apply and be interviewed. No black pilot got hired without a pilots license you idiot.

The DEI you imagine in your silly world is in fact actually happening in your own administration, most of these these are all unqualified dingbats:

You have tha audacity to whine about DEI when your own president hired a toilet seat sniffer to run US health? are you out of your f****g mind boy?

But as was pointed out already this thread is not about DEI, so lets move on.

 

[IM2]

In these discussions, we hear phrases from various sides attempting to justify their positions in ways that do not sound discriminatory. It is the Lee Atwater strategy at work. They discuss topics like social engineering and lectures about equality of opportunity versus equality of outcome using complex terminology. In these arguments, they overlook an important concept: enforced or MANDATED inequality. Enforced inequality was the standard or norm for the way America operated by law and policy from the Declaration of Independence until the Civil Rights Act. Slavery was enforced inequality. Jim Crow was enforced inequality. The policies this government had regarding the indigenous people of this country was enforced inequality. The various ways in which women were denied equal status with men was and continues to be enforced inequality. Every policy that limited opportunity or excluded blacks, women, the indigenous nations of this country, Asians and Hispanics are examples of enforced inequality that created unequal outcomes. When the right complains about liberal policies socially engineering outcomes, they fail to understand that for a minimum of 188 years American government policies at every level enforced inequality and those policies resulted in socially engineering the best results for whites in this country. Meritocracy has never existed here, making calls for its return misleading.

Right-wingers are lying about what they want. Their claim is they want equal opportunity for everyone. But the reality is they are advocating for white preferential treatment. If this were not the case, those in opposition would not be presenting this argument solely in discussions about people of color who are hired in high-level positions. They claim that DEI leads to the hiring of unqualified individuals from diverse backgrounds. What is never considered is the fact that unqualified whites exist. It is a racist argument, and it is done by whites who think they are entitled to everything because they are white. The use of plausible deniability won't work here. The argument of reverse or anti-white discrimination does not stand up under the scrutiny of fact. According to the 2024 Department of Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey, which includes data on employed persons by detailed occupation, sex, race, and Hispanic or Latino ethnicity, there is no indication of discrimination against white individuals. White employees account for 76.3 percent of the workforce, while Latins make up 19.4 percent, Blacks represent 12.8 percent, and Asians comprise 7 percent. The flaw in the right-wing argument becomes most evident when examining the different categories of management. While whites are 76.3 percent of the overall workforce, they are 76.7 percent of those holding various management positions7.

Whites are:

• 86 percent of the CEOS.
• 80 percent of the GMS and Operations managers.
• 92 percent of the Advertising/Promotions managers.
• 82.6 percent of the Marketing managers.
• 87 percent of the Sales managers.
• 88.5 percent of the P.R. and fundraising managers.
• 80.8 percent of the Administrative services managers.
• 79.9 percent of the Facilities managers.
• 71.9 percent of the Computer and Information managers.
• 77.4 percent of the Financial managers.
• 78.9 percent of the Human Resource managers.
• 88.1 percent of the Training and Development managers
• 81 percent of the Industrial Production managers.
• 83 percent of the Purchasing managers.
• 77.2 percent of the Transportation, storage, and Distribution managers.
• 96.3 percent of Farm, Ranch, and other agricultural managers.
• 89.3 percent of the Construction managers.
• 78 percent of the Education and childcare administrators.
• 75.8 percent of the Food service managers.
• 80 percent of the Entertainment/Recreation managers.
• 75.6 percent of the Lodging managers.
• 76.4 percent of the Medical and Health services managers.
• 79.6 percent of the Property, Real Estate and Community Associations managers.
• 77.2 percent of the Social and Community services managers.8
• 
  
• It doesn’t stop with management.
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• Whites are:
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• 77 percent of the employees in Business and financial occupations.
• 64.2 percent of the employees in Computer and mathematic occupations.
• 76 percent of the employees in Architecture/engineering occupations.
• 72.6 percent of the employees in the Life, physical and social science occupations.
• 71.8 percent of the employees in the Community and Social service occupations.
• 82.1 percent of the employees in the Legal occupations.
• 78.7 percent of the Education, training and library occupations.
• 79.7 percent of the Arts, design, entertainment, sports, and media occupations.
• 79 percent of the police officers.
• 80.6 percent of the Detectives and criminal investigators.
• 66.8 percent of of the correction officers and jailers.9

Right now whites are approximately 60 percent of the American population. So where is the discrimination against whites? I’ll answer: IT DOESN’T EXIST!

MarathonMike, AND ALL THE REST OF YOU WHITE RIGHT-WING RACIST MFS, STFU.

 

[Correll]

Having DEI offices handle claims was far better than the alternative which would be the courts.

Anti disclinations laws which are still on the books do not require that businesses hire blacks, they require that businesses provide equal employment opportunity for protected classes. The major change by Trump's executive order shuts down the federal offices that investigated DEI claims.

When a person believed they were being illegally discriminated again in the workplace they had to file a DEI claim before entering a lawsuit. About 90% of the claims were settled by these offices out of court. For claims the agency felt were valid, which was less than half the claims, the agency negotiated with the claimant and business to reach a resolution which often resulted in changes in hiring practices.

The result being that employers felt the need to be diverse, whether it made sense or not, for fear of being dragged into court and paying large legal fees, vs a government bureaucracy that didn't care.

Offices that handled DEI never issued hiring mandates. Those mandates came from the courts which will now be handling all DEI claims which will not be good for either the defendant nor the plaintiff.

You ever been part of that type of hiring process? I have.

It's not like you pretend it is. They decide to hire blacks and everyone else is dismissed, regardless of qualifications. Just so they look good on paper.


White people that are passed over, are being discriminated against. And for many people,...most? Most people get one or two breaks in their lives, if they are lucky.

You lose one of those breaks, and you might not even get another one.

 

[Flopper]

The result being that employers felt the need to be diverse, whether it made sense or not, for fear of being dragged into court and paying large legal fees, vs a government bureaucracy that didn't care.








You ever been part of that type of hiring process? I have.

It's not like you pretend it is. They decide to hire blacks and everyone else is dismissed, regardless of qualifications. Just so they look good on paper.


White people that are passed over, are being discriminated against. And for many people,...most? Most people get one or two breaks in their lives, if they are lucky.

You lose one of those breaks, and you might not even get another one.

It is businesses, not the government that is behind building diverse workforces. By bringing together varied perspectives, backgrounds, and experiences, companies can solve problems faster, better understand diverse customer needs, and reduce employee turnover.

A business can have a diverse workforce and still hire well qualified candidates provided there is a good screening process. I have spent many years interviewing candidates for jobs. With few exceptions most of them are well qualified and it's often a toss up between several candidates. When it's a toss up, I usually pick a minority candidate otherwise I pick who appears to be the best qualified.

 

[Correll]

It is businesses, not the government that is behind building diverse workforces.

Said the man ignoring the constant threat of government lawsuits hanging over the heads of businesses.

By bringing together varied perspectives, backgrounds, and experiences, companies can solve problems faster, better understand diverse customer needs, and reduce employee turnover.

That is the liberal dogma. In reality, the guy in charge makes the decision(s) on the big problems, and then has to get everyone to work together. Diversity then is just a chance for division and strife.

A business can have a diverse workforce and still hire well qualified candidates provided there is a good screening process.

Or htey can not bother and just check boxes to make sure they avoid lawsuits. Your assumption that the process is done right, is... very, very, very optimistic.

And runs completely counter to my personal experiences. And the experiences of EVERYONE READING THIS THREAD.

I have spent many years interviewing candidates for jobs. With few exceptions most of them are well qualified and it's often a toss up between several candidates. When it's a toss up, I usually pick a minority candidate otherwise I pick who appears to be the best qualified.

So, when you were hiring, a white guy only had a chance if he was clearly superior to any minorities trying for the job.

MOST THE THE TIME, when it was, as you say, a "toss up". between "several candidates", you did your part as part of the lib movement, and you, instead of giving the white guys a fair chance, you picked a minority candidate.

That is racist discrimination. If you judged them fairly, based on qualifications, or even random chance, when it was a "Toss up", many of those white guys might have gotten jobs that would have changed their lives.

Instead, you took away their fair chance at that job and gave it to a minority.