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Hillary Clinton & A Fragmentation Grenade

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Trey Gowdy has a tough nut to crack:

“Every witness who has relevant information needs to be talked to,” Gowdy told reporters after a committee meeting Tuesday.

If he didn’t call Clinton before the committee, Gowdy said, it would be “an incomplete investigation.”

Benghazi Committee Chair Trey Gowdy: Hillary Clinton ‘Needs to Be Talked To’
Jan 27, 2015, 5:21 PM ET
By JEFF ZELENY

House Benghazi Committee Still Wants To Hear From Hillary Clinton - ABC News

Yesterday’s news release tells me that Rep. Gowdy is coming closer to the truth than did any previous House, or Senate, Benghazi Committee managed to achieve:

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has agreed to testify to the House's select committee investigating Benghazi, the panel's Democratic ranking member told CNN on Tuesday.

Congressman: Hillary Clinton agrees to testify to House's Benghazi panel
By Dan Merica, CNN
Updated 11:44 PM ET, Tue January 27, 2015

Congressman Hillary Clinton agrees to testify to House s Benghazi panel - CNN.com

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Trey Gowdy’s Select Committee will be facing a fragmentation grenade thrown by every Administration official who was involved in the apathetic killing of four Americans on 9-11-2012. The more shrapnel dispersed the less chance there is of discovering the truth. Bottom line: Each culprit is a piece of shrapnel; nevertheless, Republicans on the Select Committee will play hell uncovering the one person who pulled the pin. Frankly, I cannot see Hillary Clinton throwing herself on a live grenade in order to save the others.

Still, I have high hopes this line of questioning will become the Committee’s focus as it should be:


. . . how about the most asked question of them all, did anyone in the administration issue a “stand down” order that prevented a military rescue?

In a classic straw man argument, the Democrats accuse Republicans of claiming that Secretary of State Clinton personally “ordered” Defense Secretary Panetta to “stand down” an ongoing rescue attempt. That obviously didn’t happen; and no credible source has alleged that.

But as I revealed in Dark Forces: The Truth About What Happened in Benghazi, two very real stand-down orders were issued that night by Secretary Clinton, apparently in tandem with John Brennan at the White House, which had the effect of slow-rolling the government response to the crisis.

• They refused to convene the Counterterrorism Security Group (CSG), the only structured, experienced, interagency reaction team that could have decided which resources of the government were available for deployment immediately.

• They refused to activate the State Department-led Foreign Emergency Support Team (FEST), an extraordinary operational unit on call 24/7 that included special operations troops and its own airlift, which could have secured the compound and the Annex and prevented the loss of classified data.

Gowdy Comes Out Swinging
January 28, 2015 by Kenneth R. Timmerman

Gowdy Comes Out Swinging FrontPage Magazine

To me, one thing is obvious that makes the stand down order unique as far as congressional committees go. The government does not give a rat’s ass what the American people learn about anything the government does. Committees make a lot of noise, while the media makes a lot of advertising money reporting on this or that until the story fades away. The Benghazi coverup goes right to the core America’s system.

Most importantly, Benghazi created a struggle of loyalties between a civilian administration and the US military. Here is why:

America’s political system places civilians in charge of the military. That system generally worked. Benghazi changed the rules. In my opinion, military men loyal to the country will not willing standby and allow civilians to kill Americans in the name of a global political agenda. That is exactly what the stand down order and the coverup is all about. It is not the same thing as civilians ordering military blunders in war time battles. The Benghazi stand down order amounted to the wanton killing of Americans for no other reason than civilians protecting a grand scheme nobody except Democrats can explain let alone understand. US military people want no part of it, nor will they take the blame for the coverup. Proof: A long list of honorable military men already spoke out against NOT SENDING HELP TO AMERICANS UNDER FIRE WHEN HELP WAS AVAILABLE.
 

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She may come out and blame Obama and Val Jarett
 
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She may come out and blame Obama and Val Jarett

To CrusaderFrank: I hate to say it but Taqiyya might be innocent. It is not far-fetched to assume that nobody told him about it. Even if he was told about the attack hours after the attack was underway he did not see it as a big deal. That makes it possible that he could have let someone else handle “a minor annoyance.”

Valery Jarrett is another story.

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RUSH: There is a somewhat shocking report that I came across today at a website run by Doug Ross. It's called the Conservative Report. Doug Ross maintains here that Valerie Jarrett gave the orders to stand down in Benghazi. Valerie Jarrett, who constitutionally is not in the chain of command and cannot do that. And that's why this, if true, is a bombshell. Valerie Jarrett nixed the raid on bin Laden three separate times, remember, and the adults had to come in and basically act on the intel that they had as to where bin Laden was. It was Valerie Jarrett who put off three separate times an attack to either capture or kill bin Laden.

Did Valerie Jarrett Issue the Order to Stand Down in Benghazi?
August 06, 2013

Did Valerie Jarrett Issue the Order to Stand Down in Benghazi - The Rush Limbaugh Show

Well, it's not like they can fire her. She's been there and done that. :lol:

To Mr. H.: You got that right. Shields Up! She is protected more than the one on the Enterprise:

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Obama was busy practicing his ball handling with Reggie Love
 

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How many more re-investigations will the GOP need to never prove their case?
 

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The "tough nut to crack" is really the liberal media which has a vested interest in protecting Hillary. Woodword and Bernstein literally made a career over a second rate burglary which they parlayed, with secret informants and salacious gossip, into an international show. The difference between Nixon and Obama/Hillary is that the media hated Nixon. The cover up used to be worse than the crime but here we have the Secretary/State preventing witnesses from testifying while the liberal media pretends to be more concerned about what the Hollywood stars are wearing to the Oscars.
 
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General Dempsey should be interesting. I suppose Suzy Five Shows will provide comedy relief although I do not know why anybody on the Special Committee should believe anything she says:

Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., chairman of the committee, made the names public in a letter to Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., top Democrat on the Benghazi panel.

He said that as early as April, he plans to start interviewing a range of figures including former White House Press Secretary Jay Carney and current Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey.

The list also includes: National Security Adviser Susan Rice; . . .

Benghazi panel plans to interview key figures in Obama, Clinton inner circles
Published February 06, 2015

Benghazi panel plans to interview key figures in Obama Clinton inner circles Fox News
 

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Shouldn't the good senator actually find a job to do other than chasing a dead horse around all the time? Stop paying him until he does.
 
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Shouldn't the good senator actually find a job to do other than chasing a dead horse around all the time? Stop paying him until he does.

To Daryl Hunt: I assume you mean Representative Trey Gowdy!

For the record, Democrats are trying to bury the horse while it is still alive and well.
 

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Shouldn't the good senator actually find a job to do other than chasing a dead horse around all the time? Stop paying him until he does.

To Daryl Hunt: I assume you mean Representative Trey Gowdy!

For the record, Democrats are trying to bury the horse while it is still alive and well.

Yes, but exactly when do you just move on? Let's see, there has been an indipendent investigation that found no criminal actions, there was a House investigation that found no criminal actions, there was a Judicial invistigation that found...... That's 3 that found that the Prez and Clinton really didn't have anything to do with the failure. The failure rate was much lower and has been addressed by the administration already. Like getting rid of the ACA, just how many times of failure by your bunch means that you will figure out that the horse died and you will stop beating it. It smelled a long time ago. Move on.
 
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Yes, but exactly when do you just move on?

To Daryl Hunt: After all of the documents Gowdy requested, and after every pertinent witness testified under oath. The enclosed linked article provides 19 photos of some of the White House people who were involved.

Also, at long last the people who were on the ground in Benghazi will finally give their evidence to a congressional committee:


The Benghazi committee also announced that next week it will begin interviewing three dozen firsthand witnesses, including “brave Americans who survived the attacks … and others who can provide indispensable firsthand accounts of what happened before, during and after the attacks.” The committee has not publicly provided the names of these witnesses, who will be interviewed between Feb. 10 and April 1.

Benghazi Committee’s Democrats and Republicans Want to Question Hillary Clinton
Sharyl Attkisson
February 06, 2015

Benghazi Committee s Democrats and Republicans Want to Question Hillary Clinton



Let's see, there has been an indipendent investigation that found no criminal actions,

To Daryl Hunt: Get real. Democrats stonewalled Senate committees when they had the majority. Not a single previous congressional committee had the power Gowdy wields through his SPECIAL SELECT COMMITTEE. Every Democrat knows that that is the crux of the matter. Calling the Special Select Committee a dead horse is actually the dying gasp of Democrats who do not want the truth uncovered.

there was a Judicial invistigation that found......

To Daryl Hunt: Surely you jest if you mean the one by Eric Holder:

The State Department revealed that is also concerned about jeopardizing the Justice Department investigation being carried out by Attorney General Eric Holder.

“We want to avoid interfering with the Department of Justice’s ongoing investigations and prosecutions,” Rubin said.

State Department Blocking Benghazi Committee Access To Witnesses
Charlie Spiering
27 Jan 2015

State Department Blocking Benghazi Committee Access To Witnesses - Breitbart

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House Benghazi panel meets with State, Justice departments
By Lauren French
1/14/15 11:33 AM EST

House Benghazi panel meets with State Justice departments - Lauren French - POLITICO
 

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Yes, but exactly when do you just move on?

To Daryl Hunt: After all of the documents Gowdy requested, and after every pertinent witness testified under oath. The enclosed linked article provides 19 photos of some of the White House people who were involved.

Also, at long last the people who were on the ground in Benghazi will finally give their evidence to a congressional committee:


The Benghazi committee also announced that next week it will begin interviewing three dozen firsthand witnesses, including “brave Americans who survived the attacks … and others who can provide indispensable firsthand accounts of what happened before, during and after the attacks.” The committee has not publicly provided the names of these witnesses, who will be interviewed between Feb. 10 and April 1.

Benghazi Committee’s Democrats and Republicans Want to Question Hillary Clinton
Sharyl Attkisson
February 06, 2015

Benghazi Committee s Democrats and Republicans Want to Question Hillary Clinton



Let's see, there has been an indipendent investigation that found no criminal actions,

To Daryl Hunt: Get real. Democrats stonewalled Senate committees when they had the majority. Not a single previous congressional committee had the power Gowdy wields through his SPECIAL SELECT COMMITTEE. Every Democrat knows that that is the crux of the matter. Calling the Special Select Committee a dead horse is actually the dying gasp of Democrats who do not want the truth uncovered.

there was a Judicial invistigation that found......

To Daryl Hunt: Surely you jest if you mean the one by Eric Holder:

The State Department revealed that is also concerned about jeopardizing the Justice Department investigation being carried out by Attorney General Eric Holder.

“We want to avoid interfering with the Department of Justice’s ongoing investigations and prosecutions,” Rubin said.

State Department Blocking Benghazi Committee Access To Witnesses
Charlie Spiering
27 Jan 2015

State Department Blocking Benghazi Committee Access To Witnesses - Breitbart
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House Benghazi panel meets with State, Justice departments
By Lauren French
1/14/15 11:33 AM EST

House Benghazi panel meets with State Justice departments - Lauren French - POLITICO

Congress already did this. If you get the same results, just how many times will you do it all over again? Repealing ACA has been done 50 times without success. Are the Reps going to carry the B out to over 50 times as well and still get the same results? I suggest that they get 3 chances. After that, if they continue with a 4th we stop paying them and send their sorry asses home. This is regardless of Party.

As long as these silly assed things continue, Congress is Lame Duck and the only governence we get is Adminstration. And that's just not right. I don't say that they can't do it, just not on MY dime.
 
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Repealing ACA has been done 50 times without success. Are the Reps going to carry the B out to over 50 times as well and still get the same results? I suggest that they get 3 chances. After that, if they continue with a 4th we stop paying them and send their sorry asses home. This is regardless of Party.

To Daryl Hunt: I’ve proved why the SELECT COMMITTEE and a Republican Senate finally have the tool to uncover the truth about Benghazi.

If you want to go in circles by citing unrelated issues like the ACA you should ask yourself how many times Democrats keep trying to overturn the 2nd Amendment with laws, yet not once did they ever try to repeal it in the manner the Constitution provides. You might also ask yourself why Democrats continue adding to the over 40,000 UNCONSTITUTIONAL gun control laws on the books.

Parenthetically, the ACA is not protected by the Constitution so it must be overturned by Congress or the court. That is why Democrats go bonkers thinking that their court might upset the ACA. Liberals dearly love judicial activism, but scream bloody murder whenever the High Court follows the law. King v. Burwell is only one of the many challenges to the ACA.


The Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in King v. Burwell three weeks from now, and the possibility that the justices might uphold the health care “reform” law as written has driven our liberal friends to the edge of lunacy. This is never a long journey for anyone on the left, of course, but they have arrived at the precipice with unusual alacrity this time. Their predictions about the outcome should the Court rule that “established by the state” actually means “established by the state” have gone from the merely portentous to the downright apocalyptic in only a few months.

Obamacare Ruling May End Civilization As We Know It
Progressive panic mounts as PPACA’s latest date with the Court draws nigh.
By David Catron – 2.9.15

Obamacare Ruling May End Civilization As We Know It The American Spectator
 

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Shouldn't the good senator actually find a job to do other than chasing a dead horse around all the time? Stop paying him until he does.

To Daryl Hunt: I assume you mean Representative Trey Gowdy!

For the record, Democrats are trying to bury the horse while it is still alive and well.

Yes, but exactly when do you just move on? Let's see, there has been an indipendent investigation that found no criminal actions, there was a House investigation that found no criminal actions, there was a Judicial invistigation that found...... That's 3 that found that the Prez and Clinton really didn't have anything to do with the failure. The failure rate was much lower and has been addressed by the administration already. Like getting rid of the ACA, just how many times of failure by your bunch means that you will figure out that the horse died and you will stop beating it. It smelled a long time ago. Move on.
Just a couple of rogue agents from Cincy.
 

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Repealing ACA has been done 50 times without success. Are the Reps going to carry the B out to over 50 times as well and still get the same results? I suggest that they get 3 chances. After that, if they continue with a 4th we stop paying them and send their sorry asses home. This is regardless of Party.

To Daryl Hunt: I’ve proved why the SELECT COMMITTEE and a Republican Senate finally have the tool to uncover the truth about Benghazi.

If you want to go in circles by citing unrelated issues like the ACA you should ask yourself how many times Democrats keep trying to overturn the 2nd Amendment with laws, yet not once did they ever try to repeal it in the manner the Constitution provides. You might also ask yourself why Democrats continue adding to the over 40,000 UNCONSTITUTIONAL gun control laws on the books.

Parenthetically, the ACA is not protected by the Constitution so it must be overturned by Congress or the court. That is why Democrats go bonkers thinking that their court might upset the ACA. Liberals dearly love judicial activism, but scream bloody murder whenever the High Court follows the law. King v. Burwell is only one of the many challenges to the ACA.


The Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in King v. Burwell three weeks from now, and the possibility that the justices might uphold the health care “reform” law as written has driven our liberal friends to the edge of lunacy. This is never a long journey for anyone on the left, of course, but they have arrived at the precipice with unusual alacrity this time. Their predictions about the outcome should the Court rule that “established by the state” actually means “established by the state” have gone from the merely portentous to the downright apocalyptic in only a few months.

Obamacare Ruling May End Civilization As We Know It
Progressive panic mounts as PPACA’s latest date with the Court draws nigh.
By David Catron – 2.9.15

Obamacare Ruling May End Civilization As We Know It The American Spectator

You have proven you back the nonsense as long as it's a Republican nonsense. We meed tp send the bill to you to pay for the non productive work that should be spent in more important things. The rest of us should nave have to pay for it.
 
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Here is one I never thought of:

From the ‘Believe it or Not Department’ of the cunning Obama administration: America’s National Security Agency (NSA) retrieves and stockpiles millions of incoming and outgoing emails of government agencies and from the public at large—but not any coming in or going out from Hillary Clinton’s private home email accounts!

How’s that for exclusionary covert operations by Tokyo Rose Clinton during her 4-year gig as Barack Obama’s Secretary of State—most tellingly including during the Benghazi scandal?

During the Benghazi scandal, for which the Obama administration has yet to come clean, Clinton was the only one in the whole of America with guaranteed privacy from NSA. Make that the only one off the NSA radar as far as anyone knows.​

I wonder if Rep. Gowdy has the authority to make the NSA comply?

If the NSA has any of Clinton’s emails, it’s time to cough them up.

The NSA spied on everyone—other than Hillary Clinton
By Judi McLeod March 8, 2015

The NSA spied on everyone other than Hillary Clinton
 
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In a classic straw man argument, the Democrats accuse Republicans of claiming that Secretary of State Clinton personally “ordered” Defense Secretary Panetta to “stand down” an ongoing rescue attempt. That obviously didn’t happen; and no credible source has alleged that.

DEMOCRATS shining the spotlight on Clinton leaves everybody else covered by darkness; most importantly Valerie Jarrett.

RUSH: There is a somewhat shocking report that I came across today at a website run by Doug Ross. It's called the Conservative Report. Doug Ross maintains here that Valerie Jarrett gave the orders to stand down in Benghazi. Valerie Jarrett, who constitutionally is not in the chain of command and cannot do that. And that's why this, if true, is a bombshell. Valerie Jarrett nixed the raid on bin Laden three separate times, remember, and the adults had to come in and basically act on the intel that they had as to where bin Laden was. It was Valerie Jarrett who put off three separate times an attack to either capture or kill bin Laden.

Did Valerie Jarrett Issue the Order to Stand Down in Benghazi?
August 06, 2013

Did Valerie Jarrett Issue the Order to Stand Down in Benghazi - The Rush Limbaugh Show

Elijah Cummings is the dumbest man in the House, and that says a mouthful. One has only to look at his face to see the stupidity dripping out of every pore. He is so dumb he believes the American people believe “Hillary Clinton never did a wrong thing in Benghazi.” Clinton might not be the one that issued the stand down order, but she is up to her neck in everything else.

. . . Democrat, Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, blasted the investigation as a "political charade" that has so far cost American taxpayers $3 million and is being "dragged out in order to attack" former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who is seeking her party's 2016 presidential nomination.

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"Despite its focus on Secretary Clinton," Cummings concluded, "the select committee has identified no evidence to support claims that Secretary Clinton ordered a stand-down, approved an illicit weapons program, or any other wild allegation Republicans have made about her for years."

Trey Gowdy: Obama 'Greatest Impediment' to Benghazi Probe
Friday, 08 May 2015 04:53 PM
By Todd Beamon

Trey Gowdy Obama Greatest Impediment to Benghazi Probe

The dummy does not know the difference between identifying evidence and stonewalling every attempt to locate evidence. Claiming that Clinton issued the stand down order is, indeed, a classic straw man said by a head full of straw.
 
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Elijah Cummings is the dumbest man in the House, and that says a mouthful.

His brain is emptier than Hillary’s released e-mails. He has to believe that everybody is dumber than he is:

Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., the top Democrat on the Benghazi panel, said the 300 emails are enough to provide a complete picture of Clinton's role in responding to the Benghazi attack.

Cummings pointed out that Democrats demanded the public release of the emails in March. Now that the emails are available, Cummings said, Clinton should be allowed to testify.

"The Select Committee should schedule Secretary Clinton's public testimony now and stop wasting taxpayer money dragging out this political charade to harm Secretary Clinton's bid for president," Cummings said.

Trey Gowdy: Clinton emails 'self selected'
By Susan Ferrechio | May 22, 2015 | 2:49 pm

Trey Gowdy Clinton emails self selected WashingtonExaminer.com

The recently-released 300 pages were put out as chum.

chum (noun)​

Bait usually consisting of oily fish ground up and scattered on the water.​

The pages could have been blank as far as Cummings is concerned. It is no wonder he wants Clinton to testify before something truly embarrassing slips out by mistake:
The dummy does not know the difference between identifying evidence and stonewalling every attempt to locate evidence.
 

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