Hillary Clintion Leads by 1.7 Million in Popular Vote. More than both JFK's and Carter's Victories

...This is a sad time for democracy in the United States. We have to deal with the corrupt racist and misogynist bully Trump for at least 4 years because of some nonsense known as the electoral college, which no other democracy in the world is stupid enough to have.
The Constitution of the United States isn't "some nonsense".

Your username is obviously a silly projection and now proven 100% wrong. Have you considered changing it?

The Constitution doesn't state ANYWHERE that electoral college voters must vote according to the winner of their state. They can vote any way they see fit. So the only one who is 100% wrong is you.
 
If Hillary was THE REAL nominee, why did she shut up and disappear off the radar? Right. She conceded already. Is there something I am missing?
As did President Obama. The far Lefties are just going nuts over what they thought was a sure thing.

It was a sure thing and it is a sure thing. She won by over 2 million votes. More than Carter and more than JFK.
 
If Hillary was THE REAL nominee, why did she shut up and disappear off the radar? Right. She conceded already. Is there something I am missing?
As did President Obama. The far Lefties are just going nuts over what they thought was a sure thing.

It was a sure thing and it is a sure thing. She won by over 2 million votes. More than Carter and more than JFK.
Democracy at work, Republicans and Trump won. Fact. We the people have spoken. Libs have run their course and they lost, that simple.Get over it.
 
If the electoral college voters have a conscience, they will do the right thing and give the election to Clinton. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents the EC voters from choosing the legitimate winner, which is Clinton. In fact, the framers of the Constitution never intended for the winners of the most states or electorally strategic states to be President. The framers of the Constitution intended for the electoral college voters to vote based on the will of the majority of Americans, which is Hillary Clinton. This article from a Harvard law school professor says it all:

The Constitution lets the electoral college choose the winner. They should choose Clinton.
You want a war? Deny the voters the President they elected, Trump.

Clinton's 1.5%, 2 million vote lead over Trump says otherwise, assfuck.




Who cares. The EC is the only thing that matters. Assholes like you, funded by that nazi prick soro's, can go **** yourselves.

Boy, you're a real professional moderator aren't you?

Like everyone says...this message board is a toxic sewer of right wing hatred and bigotry.

Your disgusting hate and bigotry ranks up there with all of them. You are classless scum.
 
I'm beginning to wonder if the OP is an Alt-Right winger who's trying to make liberals and Democrats look bad.

I voted for Clinton. She lost. I move on.
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Agreed about moving on but Dubya Da Last Repug Prez strikes me as a typical LWL who fits right in with all those others whining about the EC, the popular vote and spreading hate against anyone to the right of their own political beliefs.
 
I'm beginning to wonder if the OP is an Alt-Right winger who's trying to make liberals and Democrats look bad.

I voted for Clinton. She lost. I move on.
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Agreed about moving on but Dubya Da Last Repug Prez strikes me as a typical LWL who fits right in with all those others whining about the EC, the popular vote and spreading hate against anyone to the right of their own political beliefs.
He just seems a little over-the-top virulent, almost a caricature.
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You want a war? Deny the voters the President they elected, Trump.

Clinton's 1.5%, 2 million vote lead over Trump says otherwise, assfuck.




Who cares. The EC is the only thing that matters. Assholes like you, funded by that nazi prick soro's, can go **** yourselves.

Boy, you're a real professional moderator aren't you?

Like everyone says...this message board is a toxic sewer of right wing hatred and bigotry.







You're the one who is advocating overturning the political process asshat. Not me. I am a lefty. Have been my whole life. I am not a progressive loon like you however. I understand that too far left is even worse than too far right. And no, we are all VOLUNTEER Moderators dickhead. That means I can give as good as you dish out. Suck it up cup cake.

You are not a lefty. Not even close, I've seen some of your other moronic posts.

Why don't you go make yourself useful and ban the 500 Trumpkin racist trolls on this board. Or in addition to your political leanings, are you also in denial about the right-wing racist infestation of this message board?
Ahh yes tolerant lefties only want their own voices heard.
 
If Hillary was THE REAL nominee, why did she shut up and disappear off the radar? Right. She conceded already. Is there something I am missing?
As did President Obama. The far Lefties are just going nuts over what they thought was a sure thing.

It was a sure thing and it is a sure thing. She won by over 2 million votes. More than Carter and more than JFK.
Hillary won the election. That's why Trump is the current presidential nominee. Excuse me? I voted republican. Explain this again. The LOSER IS THE WINNER? How does that work again? Electoral College? One more reason to get rid of that anachronism.
 
If the electoral college voters have a conscience, they will do the right thing and give the election to Clinton. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents the EC voters from choosing the legitimate winner, which is Clinton. In fact, the framers of the Constitution never intended for the winners of the most states or electorally strategic states to be President. The framers of the Constitution intended for the electoral college voters to vote based on the will of the majority of Americans, which is Hillary Clinton. This article from a Harvard law school professor says it all:

The Constitution lets the electoral college choose the winner. They should choose Clinton.
You want a war? Deny the voters the President they elected, Trump.

Clinton's 1.5%, 2 million vote lead over Trump says otherwise, assfuck.


The electoral college prevents New York, San Jose and Los Angeles from dominating the will of the rest of the country who may have other needs than people who live in these big population centers. Why is this even a thread? If Hillary wants to go to the White House, she can pay her way as a tourist like everyone else and stand in line.
It seems like in every presidential election now, only about a dozen or less battleground states really matter. The candidates ignore the other states and their issues. Other than fund raising trips, neither candidate had more than one rally in my state. I knew how my state was going vote for president long before I knew who nominated. It was a waste of time voting for president. At least there were local issues that really did matter.

I understand the pros and cons of our system but from my viewpoint the system makes voting for president a waste of time for most Americans. The solid blue states will go blue and the solid red states will go red leaving a handful battleground states to make the decision. And once elected the president will pay particular attention to those battleground states attempting bring them into his corner in the next election.
30 states went for trump... 20 went for Hildabeast.
This supposed to be a republic. Everyone should've knew that going into the election… The EC determines who is president.

Oh, I think most people were aware of the EC and most people knew exactly how their states electoral votes were going to be cast with or without their vote.
 
...This is a sad time for democracy in the United States. We have to deal with the corrupt racist and misogynist bully Trump for at least 4 years because of some nonsense known as the electoral college, which no other democracy in the world is stupid enough to have.
The Constitution of the United States isn't "some nonsense".

Your username is obviously a silly projection and now proven 100% wrong. Have you considered changing it?

The Constitution doesn't state ANYWHERE that electoral college voters must vote according to the winner of their state. They can vote any way they see fit. So the only one who is 100% wrong is you.
No but most state laws do.
 
If the electoral college voters have a conscience, they will do the right thing and give the election to Clinton. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents the EC voters from choosing the legitimate winner, which is Clinton. In fact, the framers of the Constitution never intended for the winners of the most states or electorally strategic states to be President. The framers of the Constitution intended for the electoral college voters to vote based on the will of the majority of Americans, which is Hillary Clinton. This article from a Harvard law school professor says it all:

The Constitution lets the electoral college choose the winner. They should choose Clinton.

My suggestion to you guys, Pogo etc, start working hard to change our election process FOR NEXT TIME. Until then live with what we've got, and stop whining.
 
Thank God for the electoral college.

Actually, thank slavery.




Had nothing to do with it as you very well know but yet still you propagate this bullshit lie.
Pogo is correct.


No, he isn't. Here are the PERIOD essays that describe the reasoning behind the EC. Not the revisionist horse poo you've been spoon fed. If you dare read them you will be far better educated than pogo and whoever it was that propagandised you. But, these were written by SMART, EDUCATED, men. Enter at your own risk.

The Federalist Papers - Congress.gov Resources -

The Federalist Papers - Congress.gov Resources -

Tocqueville: Book I Chapter 15
Tell us again slavery "had nothing to do with it."

The Troubling Reason the Electoral College Exists
The Founding Fathers had something particular in mind when they set up the U.S. presidential election system: slavery

<snip> "Some claim that the founding fathers chose the Electoral College over direct election in order to balance the interests of high-population and low-population states. But the deepest political divisions in America have always run not between big and small states, but between the north and the south, and between the coasts and the interior.
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At the Philadelphia convention, the visionary Pennsylvanian James Wilson proposed direct national election of the president. But the savvy Virginian James Madison responded that such a system would prove unacceptable to the South:

“The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.”
In other words, in a direct election system, the North would outnumber the South, whose many slaves (more than half a million in all) of course could not vote. But the Electoral College—a prototype of which Madison proposed in this same speech—instead let each southern state count its slaves, albeit with a two-fifths discount, in computing its share of the overall count.

Virginia emerged as the big winner—the California of the Founding era—with 12 out of a total of 91 electoral votes allocated by the Philadelphia Constitution, more than a quarter of the 46 needed to win an election in the first round. After the 1800 census, Wilson’s free state of Pennsylvania had 10% more free persons than Virginia, but got 20% fewer electoral votes. Perversely, the more slaves Virginia (or any other slave state) bought or bred, the more electoral votes it would receive. Were a slave state to free any blacks who then moved North, the state could actually lose electoral votes.

If the system’s pro-slavery tilt was not overwhelmingly obvious when the Constitution was ratified, it quickly became so. For 32 of the Constitution’s first 36 years, a white slaveholding Virginian occupied the presidency.

Southerner Thomas Jefferson, for example, won the election of 1800-01 against Northerner John Adams in a race where the slavery-skew of the electoral college was the decisive margin of victory: without the extra electoral college votes generated by slavery, the mostly southern states that supported Jefferson would not have sufficed to give him a majority. As pointed observers remarked at the time, Thomas Jefferson metaphorically rode into the executive mansion on the backs of slaves."

For starters...

Exactly. And as a result of that intentionally biased structure --- four of our first five POTUSes (nine of the first ten administrations) were slaveholders from the South. Specifically from........ Virginia -- the state with the largest electoral punch, and ensured that punch by the infamous Three-Fifths Compromise, from which it derived those extra EVs while taking none of the responsibility for them. That's simple historical fact.
 
If the electoral college voters have a conscience, they will do the right thing and give the election to Clinton. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents the EC voters from choosing the legitimate winner, which is Clinton. In fact, the framers of the Constitution never intended for the winners of the most states or electorally strategic states to be President. The framers of the Constitution intended for the electoral college voters to vote based on the will of the majority of Americans, which is Hillary Clinton. This article from a Harvard law school professor says it all:

The Constitution lets the electoral college choose the winner. They should choose Clinton.

My suggestion to you guys, Pogo etc, start working hard to change our election process FOR NEXT TIME. Until then live with what we've got, and stop whining.

And my suggestion to you is to open your eyes and observe what the hell's going on all around you. This ain't exactly a new topic for me, Sprinkles.
 
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If the electoral college voters have a conscience, they will do the right thing and give the election to Clinton. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents the EC voters from choosing the legitimate winner, which is Clinton. In fact, the framers of the Constitution never intended for the winners of the most states or electorally strategic states to be President. The framers of the Constitution intended for the electoral college voters to vote based on the will of the majority of Americans, which is Hillary Clinton. This article from a Harvard law school professor says it all:

The Constitution lets the electoral college choose the winner. They should choose Clinton.
You want a war? Deny the voters the President they elected, Trump.

Clinton's 1.5%, 2 million vote lead over Trump says otherwise, assfuck.


The electoral college prevents New York, San Jose and Los Angeles from dominating the will of the rest of the country who may have other needs than people who live in these big population centers. Why is this even a thread? If Hillary wants to go to the White House, she can pay her way as a tourist like everyone else and stand in line.
It seems like in every presidential election now, only about a dozen or less battleground states really matter. The candidates ignore the other states and their issues. Other than fund raising trips, neither candidate had more than one rally in my state. I knew how my state was going to vote for president long before I knew who was nominated. It was a waste of time voting for president. At least there were local issues that really did matter.

I understand the pros and cons of our system but from my viewpoint the system makes voting for president a waste of time for most Americans. The solid blue states will go blue and the solid red states will go red leaving a handful battleground states to make the decision. And once elected the president will pay particular attention to those battleground states attempting to bring them into his corner in the next election.

Precisely -- if you're in a locked-red or locked-blue state, there's no reason to go to the polls other than your own state or local office elections. Doesn't matter if you vote with your state or against it --- it's already decided. That's one more deleterious effect of the EC -- it discourages the public getting involved.

You simply can't have a high voter turnout AND an indirect election like we and Pakistan have. Gotta pick one or the other. What we pretend to do here is just a sham.
 
If the electoral college voters have a conscience, they will do the right thing and give the election to Clinton. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents the EC voters from choosing the legitimate winner, which is Clinton. In fact, the framers of the Constitution never intended for the winners of the most states or electorally strategic states to be President. The framers of the Constitution intended for the electoral college voters to vote based on the will of the majority of Americans, which is Hillary Clinton. This article from a Harvard law school professor says it all:

The Constitution lets the electoral college choose the winner. They should choose Clinton.
You want a war? Deny the voters the President they elected, Trump.

Clinton's 1.5%, 2 million vote lead over Trump says otherwise, assfuck.


The electoral college prevents New York, San Jose and Los Angeles from dominating the will of the rest of the country who may have other needs than people who live in these big population centers. Why is this even a thread? If Hillary wants to go to the White House, she can pay her way as a tourist like everyone else and stand in line.
It seems like in every presidential election now, only about a dozen or less battleground states really matter. The candidates ignore the other states and their issues. Other than fund raising trips, neither candidate had more than one rally in my state. I knew how my state was going to vote for president long before I knew who was nominated. It was a waste of time voting for president. At least there were local issues that really did matter.

I understand the pros and cons of our system but from my viewpoint the system makes voting for president a waste of time for most Americans. The solid blue states will go blue and the solid red states will go red leaving a handful battleground states to make the decision. And once elected the president will pay particular attention to those battleground states attempting to bring them into his corner in the next election.

Precisely -- if you're in a locked-red or locked-blue state, there's no reason to go to the polls other than your own state or local office elections. Doesn't matter if you vote with your state or against it --- it's already decided. That's one more deleterious effect of the EC -- it discourages the public getting involved.

You simply can't have a high voter turnout AND an indirect election like we and Pakistan have. Gotta pick one or the other. What we pretend to do here is just a sham.
Meanwhile Michigan Pennsylvania and Wisconsin all 3 blue States went red. So much for the DON'T VOTE mantra.
 
There are still over 3 million votes left to count in California. Therefore, Clinton's victory will be over 2 million votes, possibly over 3 million votes.

This is a sad time for democracy in the United States. We have to deal with the corrupt racist and misogynist bully Trump for at least 4 years because of some nonsense known as the electoral college, which no other democracy in the world is stupid enough to have.

yea but she trails in electoral votes, and that's all that matters. what she has there is what we refer to as salt in the wound. maybe she'll fair better against deblasio for mayor of ny
 
If the electoral college voters have a conscience, they will do the right thing and give the election to Clinton. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents the EC voters from choosing the legitimate winner, which is Clinton. In fact, the framers of the Constitution never intended for the winners of the most states or electorally strategic states to be President. The framers of the Constitution intended for the electoral college voters to vote based on the will of the majority of Americans, which is Hillary Clinton. This article from a Harvard law school professor says it all:

The Constitution lets the electoral college choose the winner. They should choose Clinton.
You want a war? Deny the voters the President they elected, Trump.

Clinton's 1.5%, 2 million vote lead over Trump says otherwise, assfuck.


The electoral college prevents New York, San Jose and Los Angeles from dominating the will of the rest of the country who may have other needs than people who live in these big population centers. Why is this even a thread? If Hillary wants to go to the White House, she can pay her way as a tourist like everyone else and stand in line.
It seems like in every presidential election now, only about a dozen or less battleground states really matter. The candidates ignore the other states and their issues. Other than fund raising trips, neither candidate had more than one rally in my state. I knew how my state was going to vote for president long before I knew who was nominated. It was a waste of time voting for president. At least there were local issues that really did matter.

I understand the pros and cons of our system but from my viewpoint the system makes voting for president a waste of time for most Americans. The solid blue states will go blue and the solid red states will go red leaving a handful battleground states to make the decision. And once elected the president will pay particular attention to those battleground states attempting to bring them into his corner in the next election.

Precisely -- if you're in a locked-red or locked-blue state, there's no reason to go to the polls other than your own state or local office elections. Doesn't matter if you vote with your state or against it --- it's already decided. That's one more deleterious effect of the EC -- it discourages the public getting involved.

You simply can't have a high voter turnout AND an indirect election like we and Pakistan have. Gotta pick one or the other. What we pretend to do here is just a sham.

what you have to do is appeal to the majority of the states. she failed to do that. bottom line courting the illegal vote is not a wise strategy.
 
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