Hillary Clintion Leads by 1.7 Million in Popular Vote. More than both JFK's and Carter's Victories

Thank God for the electoral college.

Actually, thank slavery.




Had nothing to do with it as you very well know but yet still you propagate this bullshit lie.
Pogo is correct.




No, he isn't. Here are the PERIOD essays that describe the reasoning behind the EC. Not the revisionist horse poo you've been spoon fed. If you dare read them you will be far better educated than pogo and whoever it was that propagandised you. But, these were written by SMART, EDUCATED, men. Enter at your own risk.

The Federalist Papers - Congress.gov Resources -

The Federalist Papers - Congress.gov Resources -

Tocqueville: Book I Chapter 15
 
If the electoral college voters have a conscience, they will do the right thing and give the election to Clinton. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents the EC voters from choosing the legitimate winner, which is Clinton. In fact, the framers of the Constitution never intended for the winners of the most states or electorally strategic states to be President. The framers of the Constitution intended for the electoral college voters to vote based on the will of the majority of Americans, which is Hillary Clinton. This article from a Harvard law school professor says it all:

The Constitution lets the electoral college choose the winner. They should choose Clinton.
You want a war? Deny the voters the President they elected, Trump.

Clinton's 1.5%, 2 million vote lead over Trump says otherwise, assfuck.




Who cares. The EC is the only thing that matters. Assholes like you, funded by that nazi prick soro's, can go **** yourselves.
 
Thank God for the electoral college.

Actually, thank slavery.




Had nothing to do with it as you very well know but yet still you propagate this bullshit lie.
Pogo is correct.


No, he isn't. Here are the PERIOD essays that describe the reasoning behind the EC. Not the revisionist horse poo you've been spoon fed. If you dare read them you will be far better educated than pogo and whoever it was that propagandised you. But, these were written by SMART, EDUCATED, men. Enter at your own risk.

The Federalist Papers - Congress.gov Resources -

The Federalist Papers - Congress.gov Resources -

Tocqueville: Book I Chapter 15
Tell us again slavery "had nothing to do with it."

The Troubling Reason the Electoral College Exists
The Founding Fathers had something particular in mind when they set up the U.S. presidential election system: slavery

<snip> "Some claim that the founding fathers chose the Electoral College over direct election in order to balance the interests of high-population and low-population states. But the deepest political divisions in America have always run not between big and small states, but between the north and the south, and between the coasts and the interior.
....
At the Philadelphia convention, the visionary Pennsylvanian James Wilson proposed direct national election of the president. But the savvy Virginian James Madison responded that such a system would prove unacceptable to the South:

“The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.”
In other words, in a direct election system, the North would outnumber the South, whose many slaves (more than half a million in all) of course could not vote. But the Electoral College—a prototype of which Madison proposed in this same speech—instead let each southern state count its slaves, albeit with a two-fifths discount, in computing its share of the overall count.

Virginia emerged as the big winner—the California of the Founding era—with 12 out of a total of 91 electoral votes allocated by the Philadelphia Constitution, more than a quarter of the 46 needed to win an election in the first round. After the 1800 census, Wilson’s free state of Pennsylvania had 10% more free persons than Virginia, but got 20% fewer electoral votes. Perversely, the more slaves Virginia (or any other slave state) bought or bred, the more electoral votes it would receive. Were a slave state to free any blacks who then moved North, the state could actually lose electoral votes.

If the system’s pro-slavery tilt was not overwhelmingly obvious when the Constitution was ratified, it quickly became so. For 32 of the Constitution’s first 36 years, a white slaveholding Virginian occupied the presidency.

Southerner Thomas Jefferson, for example, won the election of 1800-01 against Northerner John Adams in a race where the slavery-skew of the electoral college was the decisive margin of victory: without the extra electoral college votes generated by slavery, the mostly southern states that supported Jefferson would not have sufficed to give him a majority. As pointed observers remarked at the time, Thomas Jefferson metaphorically rode into the executive mansion on the backs of slaves."

For starters...
 
If the electoral college voters have a conscience, they will do the right thing and give the election to Clinton. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents the EC voters from choosing the legitimate winner, which is Clinton. In fact, the framers of the Constitution never intended for the winners of the most states or electorally strategic states to be President. The framers of the Constitution intended for the electoral college voters to vote based on the will of the majority of Americans, which is Hillary Clinton. This article from a Harvard law school professor says it all:

The Constitution lets the electoral college choose the winner. They should choose Clinton.
You want a war? Deny the voters the President they elected, Trump.

Clinton's 1.5%, 2 million vote lead over Trump says otherwise, assfuck.




Who cares. The EC is the only thing that matters. Assholes like you, funded by that nazi prick soro's, can go **** yourselves.

Boy, you're a real professional moderator aren't you?

Like everyone says...this message board is a toxic sewer of right wing hatred and bigotry.
 
If the electoral college voters have a conscience, they will do the right thing and give the election to Clinton. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents the EC voters from choosing the legitimate winner, which is Clinton. In fact, the framers of the Constitution never intended for the winners of the most states or electorally strategic states to be President. The framers of the Constitution intended for the electoral college voters to vote based on the will of the majority of Americans, which is Hillary Clinton. This article from a Harvard law school professor says it all:

The Constitution lets the electoral college choose the winner. They should choose Clinton.
You want a war? Deny the voters the President they elected, Trump.

Clinton's 1.5%, 2 million vote lead over Trump says otherwise, assfuck.


The electoral college prevents New York, San Jose and Los Angeles from dominating the will of the rest of the country who may have other needs than people who live in these big population centers. Why is this even a thread? If Hillary wants to go to the White House, she can pay her way as a tourist like everyone else and stand in line.
It seems like in every presidential election now, only about a dozen or less battleground states really matter. The candidates ignore the other states and their issues. Other than fund raising trips, neither candidate had more than one rally in my state. I knew how my state was going to vote for president long before I knew who was nominated. It was a waste of time voting for president. At least there were local issues that really did matter.

I understand the pros and cons of our system but from my viewpoint the system makes voting for president a waste of time for most Americans. The solid blue states will go blue and the solid red states will go red leaving a handful battleground states to make the decision. And once elected the president will pay particular attention to those battleground states attempting to bring them into his corner in the next election.
 
If the electoral college voters have a conscience, they will do the right thing and give the election to Clinton. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents the EC voters from choosing the legitimate winner, which is Clinton. In fact, the framers of the Constitution never intended for the winners of the most states or electorally strategic states to be President. The framers of the Constitution intended for the electoral college voters to vote based on the will of the majority of Americans, which is Hillary Clinton. This article from a Harvard law school professor says it all:

The Constitution lets the electoral college choose the winner. They should choose Clinton.
You want a war? Deny the voters the President they elected, Trump.

Clinton's 1.5%, 2 million vote lead over Trump says otherwise, assfuck.


The electoral college prevents New York, San Jose and Los Angeles from dominating the will of the rest of the country who may have other needs than people who live in these big population centers. Why is this even a thread? If Hillary wants to go to the White House, she can pay her way as a tourist like everyone else and stand in line.
It seems like in every presidential election now, only about a dozen or less battleground states really matter. The candidates ignore the other states and their issues. Other than fund raising trips, neither candidate had more than one rally in my state. I knew how my state was going vote for president long before I knew who nominated. It was a waste of time voting for president. At least there were local issues that really did matter.

I understand the pros and cons of our system but from my viewpoint the system makes voting for president a waste of time for most Americans. The solid blue states will go blue and the solid red states will go red leaving a handful battleground states to make the decision. And once elected the president will pay particular attention to those battleground states attempting bring them into his corner in the next election.
30 states went for trump... 20 went for Hildabeast.
This supposed to be a republic. Everyone should've knew that going into the election… The EC determines who is president.
 
If the electoral college voters have a conscience, they will do the right thing and give the election to Clinton. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents the EC voters from choosing the legitimate winner, which is Clinton. In fact, the framers of the Constitution never intended for the winners of the most states or electorally strategic states to be President. The framers of the Constitution intended for the electoral college voters to vote based on the will of the majority of Americans, which is Hillary Clinton. This article from a Harvard law school professor says it all:

The Constitution lets the electoral college choose the winner. They should choose Clinton.
You want a war? Deny the voters the President they elected, Trump.

Clinton's 1.5%, 2 million vote lead over Trump says otherwise, assfuck.




Who cares. The EC is the only thing that matters. Assholes like you, funded by that nazi prick soro's, can go **** yourselves.

Boy, you're a real professional moderator aren't you?

Like everyone says...this message board is a toxic sewer of right wing hatred and bigotry.







You're the one who is advocating overturning the political process asshat. Not me. I am a lefty. Have been my whole life. I am not a progressive loon like you however. I understand that too far left is even worse than too far right. And no, we are all VOLUNTEER Moderators dickhead. That means I can give as good as you dish out. Suck it up cup cake.
 
If the electoral college voters have a conscience, they will do the right thing and give the election to Clinton. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents the EC voters from choosing the legitimate winner, which is Clinton. In fact, the framers of the Constitution never intended for the winners of the most states or electorally strategic states to be President. The framers of the Constitution intended for the electoral college voters to vote based on the will of the majority of Americans, which is Hillary Clinton. This article from a Harvard law school professor says it all:

The Constitution lets the electoral college choose the winner. They should choose Clinton.
You want a war? Deny the voters the President they elected, Trump.

Clinton's 1.5%, 2 million vote lead over Trump says otherwise, assfuck.




Who cares. The EC is the only thing that matters. Assholes like you, funded by that nazi prick soro's, can go **** yourselves.

Boy, you're a real professional moderator aren't you?

Like everyone says...this message board is a toxic sewer of right wing hatred and bigotry.







You're the one who is advocating overturning the political process asshat. Not me. I am a lefty. Have been my whole life. I am not a progressive loon like you however. I understand that too far left is even worse than too far right. And no, we are all VOLUNTEER Moderators dickhead. That means I can give as good as you dish out. Suck it up cup cake.
 
Thank God for the electoral college.

Actually, thank slavery.




Had nothing to do with it as you very well know but yet still you propagate this bullshit lie.
Pogo is correct.


No, he isn't. Here are the PERIOD essays that describe the reasoning behind the EC. Not the revisionist horse poo you've been spoon fed. If you dare read them you will be far better educated than pogo and whoever it was that propagandised you. But, these were written by SMART, EDUCATED, men. Enter at your own risk.

The Federalist Papers - Congress.gov Resources -

The Federalist Papers - Congress.gov Resources -

Tocqueville: Book I Chapter 15
Tell us again slavery "had nothing to do with it."

The Troubling Reason the Electoral College Exists
The Founding Fathers had something particular in mind when they set up the U.S. presidential election system: slavery

<snip> "Some claim that the founding fathers chose the Electoral College over direct election in order to balance the interests of high-population and low-population states. But the deepest political divisions in America have always run not between big and small states, but between the north and the south, and between the coasts and the interior.
....
At the Philadelphia convention, the visionary Pennsylvanian James Wilson proposed direct national election of the president. But the savvy Virginian James Madison responded that such a system would prove unacceptable to the South:

“The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.”
In other words, in a direct election system, the North would outnumber the South, whose many slaves (more than half a million in all) of course could not vote. But the Electoral College—a prototype of which Madison proposed in this same speech—instead let each southern state count its slaves, albeit with a two-fifths discount, in computing its share of the overall count.

Virginia emerged as the big winner—the California of the Founding era—with 12 out of a total of 91 electoral votes allocated by the Philadelphia Constitution, more than a quarter of the 46 needed to win an election in the first round. After the 1800 census, Wilson’s free state of Pennsylvania had 10% more free persons than Virginia, but got 20% fewer electoral votes. Perversely, the more slaves Virginia (or any other slave state) bought or bred, the more electoral votes it would receive. Were a slave state to free any blacks who then moved North, the state could actually lose electoral votes.

If the system’s pro-slavery tilt was not overwhelmingly obvious when the Constitution was ratified, it quickly became so. For 32 of the Constitution’s first 36 years, a white slaveholding Virginian occupied the presidency.

Southerner Thomas Jefferson, for example, won the election of 1800-01 against Northerner John Adams in a race where the slavery-skew of the electoral college was the decisive margin of victory: without the extra electoral college votes generated by slavery, the mostly southern states that supported Jefferson would not have sufficed to give him a majority. As pointed observers remarked at the time, Thomas Jefferson metaphorically rode into the executive mansion on the backs of slaves."

For starters...





Like I said. Read the ORIGINAL documents before you start making a bigger fool of yourself.
 
Much like in 2000, progressives want to move the goalposts...
 
...This is a sad time for democracy in the United States. We have to deal with the corrupt racist and misogynist bully Trump for at least 4 years because of some nonsense known as the electoral college, which no other democracy in the world is stupid enough to have.
The Constitution of the United States isn't "some nonsense".

Your username is obviously a silly projection and now proven 100% wrong. Have you considered changing it?
 
If the electoral college voters have a conscience, they will do the right thing and give the election to Clinton. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents the EC voters from choosing the legitimate winner, which is Clinton. In fact, the framers of the Constitution never intended for the winners of the most states or electorally strategic states to be President. The framers of the Constitution intended for the electoral college voters to vote based on the will of the majority of Americans, which is Hillary Clinton. This article from a Harvard law school professor says it all:

The Constitution lets the electoral college choose the winner. They should choose Clinton.
You want a war? Deny the voters the President they elected, Trump.

Clinton's 1.5%, 2 million vote lead over Trump says otherwise, assfuck.




Who cares. The EC is the only thing that matters. Assholes like you, funded by that nazi prick soro's, can go **** yourselves.

Boy, you're a real professional moderator aren't you?

Like everyone says...this message board is a toxic sewer of right wing hatred and bigotry.







You're the one who is advocating overturning the political process asshat. Not me. I am a lefty. Have been my whole life. I am not a progressive loon like you however. I understand that too far left is even worse than too far right. And no, we are all VOLUNTEER Moderators dickhead. That means I can give as good as you dish out. Suck it up cup cake.

You are not a lefty. Not even close, I've seen some of your other moronic posts.

Why don't you go make yourself useful and ban the 500 Trumpkin racist trolls on this board. Or in addition to your political leanings, are you also in denial about the right-wing racist infestation of this message board?
 
...This is a sad time for democracy in the United States. We have to deal with the corrupt racist and misogynist bully Trump for at least 4 years because of some nonsense known as the electoral college, which no other democracy in the world is stupid enough to have.
The Constitution of the United States isn't "some nonsense".

Your username is obviously a silly projection and now proven 100% wrong. Have you considered changing it?

Nope, Clinton won by over 2 million votes. This election was stolen from her. I hope something proves this during the recounts.
 
You want a war? Deny the voters the President they elected, Trump.

Clinton's 1.5%, 2 million vote lead over Trump says otherwise, assfuck.




Who cares. The EC is the only thing that matters. Assholes like you, funded by that nazi prick soro's, can go **** yourselves.

Boy, you're a real professional moderator aren't you?

Like everyone says...this message board is a toxic sewer of right wing hatred and bigotry.







You're the one who is advocating overturning the political process asshat. Not me. I am a lefty. Have been my whole life. I am not a progressive loon like you however. I understand that too far left is even worse than too far right. And no, we are all VOLUNTEER Moderators dickhead. That means I can give as good as you dish out. Suck it up cup cake.

You are not a lefty. Not even close, I've seen some of your other moronic posts.

Why don't you go make yourself useful and ban the 500 Trumpkin racist trolls on this board. Or in addition to your political leanings, are you also in denial about the right-wing racist infestation of this message board?





Nope. There are almost as many RWNJ racists here as there are LWNJ racists. But not quite. We let ALL of them make complete asses of themselves. Even dickheads like you, kerry won ohio...NOT!
 
If the electoral college voters have a conscience, they will do the right thing and give the election to Clinton. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents the EC voters from choosing the legitimate winner, which is Clinton. In fact, the framers of the Constitution never intended for the winners of the most states or electorally strategic states to be President. The framers of the Constitution intended for the electoral college voters to vote based on the will of the majority of Americans, which is Hillary Clinton. This article from a Harvard law school professor says it all:

The Constitution lets the electoral college choose the winner. They should choose Clinton.
You want a war? Deny the voters the President they elected, Trump.

Clinton's 1.5%, 2 million vote lead over Trump says otherwise, assfuck.


The electoral college prevents New York, San Jose and Los Angeles from dominating the will of the rest of the country who may have other needs than people who live in these big population centers. Why is this even a thread? If Hillary wants to go to the White House, she can pay her way as a tourist like everyone else and stand in line.
It seems like in every presidential election now, only about a dozen or less battleground states really matter. The candidates ignore the other states and their issues. Other than fund raising trips, neither candidate had more than one rally in my state. I knew how my state was going vote for president long before I knew who nominated. It was a waste of time voting for president. At least there were local issues that really did matter.

I understand the pros and cons of our system but from my viewpoint the system makes voting for president a waste of time for most Americans. The solid blue states will go blue and the solid red states will go red leaving a handful battleground states to make the decision. And once elected the president will pay particular attention to those battleground states attempting bring them into his corner in the next election.
30 states went for trump... 20 went for Hildabeast.
This supposed to be a republic. Everyone should've knew that going into the election… The EC determines who is president.


Very true. Everyone knew the rules going into the game. Wanting to change the rules afterwards is childish.

If Miley can do it you can do it. The Left needs to look to Miley now for guidance.



:badgrin:
 
...This is a sad time for democracy in the United States. We have to deal with the corrupt racist and misogynist bully Trump for at least 4 years because of some nonsense known as the electoral college, which no other democracy in the world is stupid enough to have.
The Constitution of the United States isn't "some nonsense".

Your username is obviously a silly projection and now proven 100% wrong. Have you considered changing it?

Nope, Clinton won by over 2 million votes. This election was stolen from her. I hope something proves this during the recounts.





You're not counting all those illegals that obama encouraged to vote.....ILLEGALLY. Are you? Naahh. Didn't think so.
 
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Actually, thank slavery.




Had nothing to do with it as you very well know but yet still you propagate this bullshit lie.
Pogo is correct.


No, he isn't. Here are the PERIOD essays that describe the reasoning behind the EC. Not the revisionist horse poo you've been spoon fed. If you dare read them you will be far better educated than pogo and whoever it was that propagandised you. But, these were written by SMART, EDUCATED, men. Enter at your own risk.

The Federalist Papers - Congress.gov Resources -

The Federalist Papers - Congress.gov Resources -

Tocqueville: Book I Chapter 15
Tell us again slavery "had nothing to do with it."

The Troubling Reason the Electoral College Exists
The Founding Fathers had something particular in mind when they set up the U.S. presidential election system: slavery

<snip> "Some claim that the founding fathers chose the Electoral College over direct election in order to balance the interests of high-population and low-population states. But the deepest political divisions in America have always run not between big and small states, but between the north and the south, and between the coasts and the interior.
....
At the Philadelphia convention, the visionary Pennsylvanian James Wilson proposed direct national election of the president. But the savvy Virginian James Madison responded that such a system would prove unacceptable to the South:

“The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.”
In other words, in a direct election system, the North would outnumber the South, whose many slaves (more than half a million in all) of course could not vote. But the Electoral College—a prototype of which Madison proposed in this same speech—instead let each southern state count its slaves, albeit with a two-fifths discount, in computing its share of the overall count.

Virginia emerged as the big winner—the California of the Founding era—with 12 out of a total of 91 electoral votes allocated by the Philadelphia Constitution, more than a quarter of the 46 needed to win an election in the first round. After the 1800 census, Wilson’s free state of Pennsylvania had 10% more free persons than Virginia, but got 20% fewer electoral votes. Perversely, the more slaves Virginia (or any other slave state) bought or bred, the more electoral votes it would receive. Were a slave state to free any blacks who then moved North, the state could actually lose electoral votes.

If the system’s pro-slavery tilt was not overwhelmingly obvious when the Constitution was ratified, it quickly became so. For 32 of the Constitution’s first 36 years, a white slaveholding Virginian occupied the presidency.

Southerner Thomas Jefferson, for example, won the election of 1800-01 against Northerner John Adams in a race where the slavery-skew of the electoral college was the decisive margin of victory: without the extra electoral college votes generated by slavery, the mostly southern states that supported Jefferson would not have sufficed to give him a majority. As pointed observers remarked at the time, Thomas Jefferson metaphorically rode into the executive mansion on the backs of slaves."

For starters...

Like I said. Read the ORIGINAL documents before you start making a bigger fool of yourself.


lol. I've read plenty ORIGINAL documents (and held many in my hands that now reside in museums, historical societies and and the Smithsonian.)

US history has been my profession for nearly three decades. I eat, drink, live and breathe it.

It's insanely bizarre you think slavery "had nothing to do" with the electoral college. How about you comment on the James Madison quote?

How about you commenting on Federalist #68, which you point to and was debated with regard to the interests of slaveholding states...how about mentioning the anti-federalists papers?

How about commenting on the fact that since the founding of the country up to the early 1850's, every president, save two (the Adams') - was a slaveholder?
 
If Hillary was THE REAL nominee, why did she shut up and disappear off the radar? Right. She conceded already. Is there something I am missing?
 
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If Hillary was THE REAL nominee, why did she shut up and disappear off the radar? Right. She conceded already. Is there something I am missing?
As did President Obama. The far Lefties are just going nuts over what they thought was a sure thing.
 
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