Hillary Clintion Leads by 1.7 Million in Popular Vote. More than both JFK's and Carter's Victories

[Dubya Da Last Repug Prez]

It seems like in every presidential election now, only about a dozen or less battleground states really matter. The candidates ignore the other states and their issues. Other than fund raising trips, neither candidate had more than one rally in my state. I knew how my state was going to vote for president long before I knew who was nominated. It was a waste of time voting for president. At least there were local issues that really did matter.

I understand the pros and cons of our system but from my viewpoint the system makes voting for president a waste of time for most Americans. The solid blue states will go blue and the solid red states will go red leaving a handful battleground states to make the decision. And once elected the president will pay particular attention to those battleground states attempting to bring them into his corner in the next election.

Precisely -- if you're in a locked-red or locked-blue state, there's no reason to go to the polls other than your own state or local office elections. Doesn't matter if you vote with your state or against it --- it's already decided. That's one more deleterious effect of the EC -- it discourages the public getting involved.

You simply can't have a high voter turnout AND an indirect election like we and Pakistan have. Gotta pick one or the other. What we pretend to do here is just a sham.

If we can't agree on a national popular vote, what seems reasonable to me would be requiring states to distribute their electoral votes based on the popular vote within the state as Mane and Nebraska do. In that way, the electoral college is maintained, giving smaller states an edge in the electoral college but it makes voting within each state more democratic always giving the minority a chance to win electoral votes. More importantly, it will destroy the red state blue state mentality which has been so destructive to national unity. Each party would have to win the votes from each state. No state would be "in bag".

That's been suggested. The issue with it is that Maine and Nebraska don't apportion their EVs according to the state's popular vote; they apportion them by Congressional district. And those are already, in many states including this one, artificial monstrosities far more divisively honed due to gerrymandering. So we'd get in many cases even more extremity of division, with intentionally-designed "deep red" districts and "deep blue" ones. That seems an enormous can of worms that would be easilly manipulated by whichever party has enough power in a given state to design those districts. They already manipulate them for advantage; this would invite them to make it even worse.

Republican gerrymandering will be the death knell of the Democratic Party, and the Democrats should have done a lot more to combat this problem a long time ago. Democrats will have to gain control of the states with the most ridiculous gerrymandered districts, such as North Carolina and Pennsylvania, and bring some sanity back to the district boundaries. Otherwise, the Repugs will permanently control the House of Representatives.

Hey dumb ass? The worst gerrymandering is done by order of the US Government thanks to liberals. To create "black" districts". Ohh and last I checked democrats when in power work to gerrymander to their benefit.

Wrong fuckhole. Look at the current districts in N. Carolina. The Repug state legislature has tried to incorporate the vast majority of African Americans into two or three districts, so that they can claim the rest of the districts for themselves.

You are appallingly and willfully uninformed. I would expect nothing less from a Repug goober lump of shit such as yourself.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Precisely -- if you're in a locked-red or locked-blue state, there's no reason to go to the polls other than your own state or local office elections. Doesn't matter if you vote with your state or against it --- it's already decided. That's one more deleterious effect of the EC -- it discourages the public getting involved.

You simply can't have a high voter turnout AND an indirect election like we and Pakistan have. Gotta pick one or the other. What we pretend to do here is just a sham.

If we can't agree on a national popular vote, what seems reasonable to me would be requiring states to distribute their electoral votes based on the popular vote within the state as Mane and Nebraska do. In that way, the electoral college is maintained, giving smaller states an edge in the electoral college but it makes voting within each state more democratic always giving the minority a chance to win electoral votes. More importantly, it will destroy the red state blue state mentality which has been so destructive to national unity. Each party would have to win the votes from each state. No state would be "in bag".

That's been suggested. The issue with it is that Maine and Nebraska don't apportion their EVs according to the state's popular vote; they apportion them by Congressional district. And those are already, in many states including this one, artificial monstrosities far more divisively honed due to gerrymandering. So we'd get in many cases even more extremity of division, with intentionally-designed "deep red" districts and "deep blue" ones. That seems an enormous can of worms that would be easilly manipulated by whichever party has enough power in a given state to design those districts. They already manipulate them for advantage; this would invite them to make it even worse.

Republican gerrymandering will be the death knell of the Democratic Party, and the Democrats should have done a lot more to combat this problem a long time ago. Democrats will have to gain control of the states with the most ridiculous gerrymandered districts, such as North Carolina and Pennsylvania, and bring some sanity back to the district boundaries. Otherwise, the Repugs will permanently control the House of Representatives.

Hey dumb ass? The worst gerrymandering is done by order of the US Government thanks to liberals. To create "black" districts". Ohh and last I checked democrats when in power work to gerrymander to their benefit.

Wrong fuckhole. Look at the current districts in N. Carolina. The Repug state legislature has tried to incorporate the vast majority of African Americans into two or three districts, so that they can claim the rest of the districts for themselves.

You are appallingly and willfully uninformed. I would expect nothing less from a Repug goober lump of shit such as yourself.

You retard those district are ORDERED by the US Government. Learn some facts retard.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Precisely -- if you're in a locked-red or locked-blue state, there's no reason to go to the polls other than your own state or local office elections. Doesn't matter if you vote with your state or against it --- it's already decided. That's one more deleterious effect of the EC -- it discourages the public getting involved.

You simply can't have a high voter turnout AND an indirect election like we and Pakistan have. Gotta pick one or the other. What we pretend to do here is just a sham.

If we can't agree on a national popular vote, what seems reasonable to me would be requiring states to distribute their electoral votes based on the popular vote within the state as Mane and Nebraska do. In that way, the electoral college is maintained, giving smaller states an edge in the electoral college but it makes voting within each state more democratic always giving the minority a chance to win electoral votes. More importantly, it will destroy the red state blue state mentality which has been so destructive to national unity. Each party would have to win the votes from each state. No state would be "in bag".

That's been suggested. The issue with it is that Maine and Nebraska don't apportion their EVs according to the state's popular vote; they apportion them by Congressional district. And those are already, in many states including this one, artificial monstrosities far more divisively honed due to gerrymandering. So we'd get in many cases even more extremity of division, with intentionally-designed "deep red" districts and "deep blue" ones. That seems an enormous can of worms that would be easilly manipulated by whichever party has enough power in a given state to design those districts. They already manipulate them for advantage; this would invite them to make it even worse.

Republican gerrymandering will be the death knell of the Democratic Party, and the Democrats should have done a lot more to combat this problem a long time ago. Democrats will have to gain control of the states with the most ridiculous gerrymandered districts, such as North Carolina and Pennsylvania, and bring some sanity back to the district boundaries. Otherwise, the Repugs will permanently control the House of Representatives.

Hey dumb ass? The worst gerrymandering is done by order of the US Government thanks to liberals. To create "black" districts". Ohh and last I checked democrats when in power work to gerrymander to their benefit.

Wrong fuckhole. Look at the current districts in N. Carolina. The Repug state legislature has tried to incorporate the vast majority of African Americans into two or three districts, so that they can claim the rest of the districts for themselves.

You are appallingly and willfully uninformed. I would expect nothing less from a Repug goober lump of shit such as yourself.

Democrats created the 12th and 1st districts by order of the US Federal Government. North Carolina Redistricting Cases: the 1990s

 

[Dubya Da Last Repug Prez]

If we can't agree on a national popular vote, what seems reasonable to me would be requiring states to distribute their electoral votes based on the popular vote within the state as Mane and Nebraska do. In that way, the electoral college is maintained, giving smaller states an edge in the electoral college but it makes voting within each state more democratic always giving the minority a chance to win electoral votes. More importantly, it will destroy the red state blue state mentality which has been so destructive to national unity. Each party would have to win the votes from each state. No state would be "in bag".

That's been suggested. The issue with it is that Maine and Nebraska don't apportion their EVs according to the state's popular vote; they apportion them by Congressional district. And those are already, in many states including this one, artificial monstrosities far more divisively honed due to gerrymandering. So we'd get in many cases even more extremity of division, with intentionally-designed "deep red" districts and "deep blue" ones. That seems an enormous can of worms that would be easilly manipulated by whichever party has enough power in a given state to design those districts. They already manipulate them for advantage; this would invite them to make it even worse.

Republican gerrymandering will be the death knell of the Democratic Party, and the Democrats should have done a lot more to combat this problem a long time ago. Democrats will have to gain control of the states with the most ridiculous gerrymandered districts, such as North Carolina and Pennsylvania, and bring some sanity back to the district boundaries. Otherwise, the Repugs will permanently control the House of Representatives.

Hey dumb ass? The worst gerrymandering is done by order of the US Government thanks to liberals. To create "black" districts". Ohh and last I checked democrats when in power work to gerrymander to their benefit.

Wrong fuckhole. Look at the current districts in N. Carolina. The Repug state legislature has tried to incorporate the vast majority of African Americans into two or three districts, so that they can claim the rest of the districts for themselves.

You are appallingly and willfully uninformed. I would expect nothing less from a Repug goober lump of shit such as yourself.

You retard those district are ORDERED by the US Government. Learn some facts retard.

The U.S. Court of Appeals says you are wrong, fucktard. And I'm going to believe them before I believe an uneducated, unsophisticated lump of Repug shit such as yourself --

Federal Court Strikes Down North Carolina Republicans’ Absurd Racial Gerrymander

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That's been suggested. The issue with it is that Maine and Nebraska don't apportion their EVs according to the state's popular vote; they apportion them by Congressional district. And those are already, in many states including this one, artificial monstrosities far more divisively honed due to gerrymandering. So we'd get in many cases even more extremity of division, with intentionally-designed "deep red" districts and "deep blue" ones. That seems an enormous can of worms that would be easilly manipulated by whichever party has enough power in a given state to design those districts. They already manipulate them for advantage; this would invite them to make it even worse.

Republican gerrymandering will be the death knell of the Democratic Party, and the Democrats should have done a lot more to combat this problem a long time ago. Democrats will have to gain control of the states with the most ridiculous gerrymandered districts, such as North Carolina and Pennsylvania, and bring some sanity back to the district boundaries. Otherwise, the Repugs will permanently control the House of Representatives.

Hey dumb ass? The worst gerrymandering is done by order of the US Government thanks to liberals. To create "black" districts". Ohh and last I checked democrats when in power work to gerrymander to their benefit.

Wrong fuckhole. Look at the current districts in N. Carolina. The Repug state legislature has tried to incorporate the vast majority of African Americans into two or three districts, so that they can claim the rest of the districts for themselves.

You are appallingly and willfully uninformed. I would expect nothing less from a Repug goober lump of shit such as yourself.

You retard those district are ORDERED by the US Government. Learn some facts retard.

The U.S. Court of Appeals says you are wrong, fucktard. And I'm going to believe them before I believe an uneducated, unsophisticated lump of Repug shit such as yourself --

Federal Court Strikes Down North Carolina Republicans’ Absurd Racial Gerrymander

Read the link I provided dumb ass. Democrats controlled the State in the 90' and were ordered by the Federal Government to create 2 black districts. Those were the 1st and the 12th and ever since the Federal Government has REQUIRED the State to maintain 2 such districts solely to provide blacks with their own districts.

 

[Dubya Da Last Repug Prez]

Republican gerrymandering will be the death knell of the Democratic Party, and the Democrats should have done a lot more to combat this problem a long time ago. Democrats will have to gain control of the states with the most ridiculous gerrymandered districts, such as North Carolina and Pennsylvania, and bring some sanity back to the district boundaries. Otherwise, the Repugs will permanently control the House of Representatives.

Hey dumb ass? The worst gerrymandering is done by order of the US Government thanks to liberals. To create "black" districts". Ohh and last I checked democrats when in power work to gerrymander to their benefit.

Wrong fuckhole. Look at the current districts in N. Carolina. The Repug state legislature has tried to incorporate the vast majority of African Americans into two or three districts, so that they can claim the rest of the districts for themselves.

You are appallingly and willfully uninformed. I would expect nothing less from a Repug goober lump of shit such as yourself.

You retard those district are ORDERED by the US Government. Learn some facts retard.

The U.S. Court of Appeals says you are wrong, fucktard. And I'm going to believe them before I believe an uneducated, unsophisticated lump of Repug shit such as yourself --

Federal Court Strikes Down North Carolina Republicans’ Absurd Racial Gerrymander

Read the link I provided dumb ass. Democrats controlled the State in the 90' and were ordered by the Federal Government to create 2 black districts. Those were the 1st and the 12th and ever since the Federal Government has REQUIRED the State to maintain 2 such districts solely to provide blacks with their own districts.

The recent gerrymandering that I pointed out is the issue at hand. And you can't refute what the Repugs did and we both know it.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Hey dumb ass? The worst gerrymandering is done by order of the US Government thanks to liberals. To create "black" districts". Ohh and last I checked democrats when in power work to gerrymander to their benefit.

Wrong fuckhole. Look at the current districts in N. Carolina. The Repug state legislature has tried to incorporate the vast majority of African Americans into two or three districts, so that they can claim the rest of the districts for themselves.

You are appallingly and willfully uninformed. I would expect nothing less from a Repug goober lump of shit such as yourself.

You retard those district are ORDERED by the US Government. Learn some facts retard.

The U.S. Court of Appeals says you are wrong, fucktard. And I'm going to believe them before I believe an uneducated, unsophisticated lump of Repug shit such as yourself --

Federal Court Strikes Down North Carolina Republicans’ Absurd Racial Gerrymander

Read the link I provided dumb ass. Democrats controlled the State in the 90' and were ordered by the Federal Government to create 2 black districts. Those were the 1st and the 12th and ever since the Federal Government has REQUIRED the State to maintain 2 such districts solely to provide blacks with their own districts.

The recent gerrymandering that I pointed out is the issue at hand. And you can't refute what the Repugs did and we both know it.

You gonna cry?

 

[davecmarino]

So happy that these lib crybabies lost.
Can't stand to listen to their alternative reality bullshit any longer.


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[ninja007]

w/o CA and NY she lost by 3 million votes.

 

[Dubya Da Last Repug Prez]

w/o CA and NY she lost by 3 million votes.

There's the most irrelevant information of the day.

 

[Dubya Da Last Repug Prez]

Wrong fuckhole. Look at the current districts in N. Carolina. The Repug state legislature has tried to incorporate the vast majority of African Americans into two or three districts, so that they can claim the rest of the districts for themselves.

You are appallingly and willfully uninformed. I would expect nothing less from a Repug goober lump of shit such as yourself.

You retard those district are ORDERED by the US Government. Learn some facts retard.

The U.S. Court of Appeals says you are wrong, fucktard. And I'm going to believe them before I believe an uneducated, unsophisticated lump of Repug shit such as yourself --

Federal Court Strikes Down North Carolina Republicans’ Absurd Racial Gerrymander

Read the link I provided dumb ass. Democrats controlled the State in the 90' and were ordered by the Federal Government to create 2 black districts. Those were the 1st and the 12th and ever since the Federal Government has REQUIRED the State to maintain 2 such districts solely to provide blacks with their own districts.

The recent gerrymandering that I pointed out is the issue at hand. And you can't refute what the Repugs did and we both know it.

You gonna cry?

If you were capable of a real debate and can prove that I'm wrong, then I might cry.

But we both know that you can't. We both know that you are a racist, ignorant, unsophisticated Repug goober lump of shit. You've simply got nothing but lame retorts. You've got no facts, no game, and no intellect.

To summarize, my dear racist little ass **** -- No, I'm not crying.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

By the way, the deadline to challenge the Wisconsin results has now expired.

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

 

[Pogo]

w/o CA and NY she lost by 3 million votes.

And if the Cubs, Indians, Wankees, RedSox, Phillies, Orioles, Braves, Brewers, White Sox, Reds, Cardinals, Mets, Marlins, Rays, Royals, Rockies, Angels, Mariners, Twins, Rangers, Astros, Dodgers, D-backs, As, Jays, Giants, Nationals, Pirates and Tigers just don't score all those pesky runs, the San Diego Padres win the World Series.

 

[Pogo]

So happy that these lib crybabies lost.
Can't stand to listen to their alternative reality bullshit any longer.


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And you are ------------------?

 

[Camp]

By the way, the deadline to challenge the Wisconsin results has now expired.

So what, the recount petition and application were filed on time by the Green Party, an hour and a half before the deadline.

 

[Meathead]

What's the point? You could flip PA and WI and still lose the election.

 

[Meathead]

w/o CA and NY she lost by 3 million votes.

And if the Cubs, Indians, Wankees, RedSox, Phillies, Orioles, Braves, Brewers, White Sox, Reds, Cardinals, Mets, Marlins, Rays, Royals, Rockies, Angels, Mariners, Twins, Rangers, Astros, Dodgers, D-backs, As, Jays, Giants, Nationals, Pirates and Tigers just don't score all those pesky runs, the San Diego Padres win the World Series.

The Phillies scored runs?! I think Hillary had more electoral votes.

 

[Flopper]

Clinton's 1.5%, 2 million vote lead over Trump says otherwise, assfuck.

The electoral college prevents New York, San Jose and Los Angeles from dominating the will of the rest of the country who may have other needs than people who live in these big population centers. Why is this even a thread? If Hillary wants to go to the White House, she can pay her way as a tourist like everyone else and stand in line.

It seems like in every presidential election now, only about a dozen or less battleground states really matter. The candidates ignore the other states and their issues. Other than fund raising trips, neither candidate had more than one rally in my state. I knew how my state was going to vote for president long before I knew who was nominated. It was a waste of time voting for president. At least there were local issues that really did matter.

I understand the pros and cons of our system but from my viewpoint the system makes voting for president a waste of time for most Americans. The solid blue states will go blue and the solid red states will go red leaving a handful battleground states to make the decision. And once elected the president will pay particular attention to those battleground states attempting to bring them into his corner in the next election.

Precisely -- if you're in a locked-red or locked-blue state, there's no reason to go to the polls other than your own state or local office elections. Doesn't matter if you vote with your state or against it --- it's already decided. That's one more deleterious effect of the EC -- it discourages the public getting involved.

You simply can't have a high voter turnout AND an indirect election like we and Pakistan have. Gotta pick one or the other. What we pretend to do here is just a sham.

If we can't agree on a national popular vote, what seems reasonable to me would be requiring states to distribute their electoral votes based on the popular vote within the state as Mane and Nebraska do. In that way, the electoral college is maintained, giving smaller states an edge in the electoral college but it makes voting within each state more democratic always giving the minority a chance to win electoral votes. More importantly, it will destroy the red state blue state mentality which has been so destructive to national unity. Each party would have to win the votes from each state. No state would be "in bag".

That's been suggested. The issue with it is that Maine and Nebraska don't apportion their EVs according to the state's popular vote; they apportion them by Congressional district. And those are already, in many states including this one, artificial monstrosities far more divisively honed due to gerrymandering. So we'd get in many cases even more extremity of division, with intentionally-designed "deep red" districts and "deep blue" ones. That seems an enormous can of worms that would be easilly manipulated by whichever party has enough power in a given state to design those districts. They already manipulate them for advantage; this would invite them to make it even worse.

But what if the number electors awarded to a candidate was in direct proportion to the state's popular vote? A 60%/40% split in the state popular vote would result in a 60%/40% split in the states electoral votes. I think that would pretty well destroy the concept of solid red and solid blue states. All states would be in play, not just a handful of battleground states.

 

[Flopper]

w/o CA and NY she lost by 3 million votes.

if we just ignored 20% of the voters.