Hey Barack, why so socialist?

[Ame®icano]

“It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too. My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”

"To avoid being mistaken for a white sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."

"If the people cannot trust their government to do the job for which it exists - to protect them and to promote their common welfare - all else is lost."

"This is the moment when we must build on the wealth that open markets have created, and share its benefits more equitably. Trade has been a cornerstone of our growth and global development. But we will not be able to sustain this growth if it favors the few, and not the many."

"Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself."

I do Barack, and that's why I am asking...

 

[Meister]

Those quotes sure do sound like a socialist ideologue. How can anyone say otherwise?

 

[Oddball]

Those quotes sure do sound like a socialist ideologue. How can anyone say otherwise?

By cynically trying to parse on the semantics of the term "socialist".

 

[Meister]

Those quotes sure do sound like a socialist ideologue. How can anyone say otherwise?

By cynically trying to parse on the semantics of the term "socialist".

Ahhh yes, I forgot all about deflection. Thanks Dude for the reminder.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

 

[PatekPhilippe]

I thought I was reading quotes from Hugo Chavez.....they were from Obama?

Wow.

 

[The T]

Those quotes sure do sound like a socialist ideologue. How can anyone say otherwise?

I'd rather upgrade them to Marxist.

 

[Thinman]

The bailout of GM and Chrysler was mainly to protect his union supporters. But, I think Obama feels that government owning a major interest in large industry is not a bad thing. Forcing banks to accept funds is a move in the same direction. Attempting to shut out the press and suggesting a media bailout (newspapers) is another government attempt to control our lives. Then there is that radio legislation and internet thing, (forgot what they call them) to many beers maybe, and ya, when you add all this up, I would think that even a flaming liberal could see the writing on the wall.

Then you've got all those appointments and czars with all their problems. I don't know who was vetting these people for him, but if he worked for me I would have fired him a long time ago. Since it keeps happening, over and over, then Obama must believe that his choices are correct and that the public will accept them also. I think he is a poor manager and I think he's naive.

 

[ihopehefails]

The difference between marxist socialist and national socialist is that in marxism the state exist without any nation so that it can control the masses. This is one of the complaints about marxism that hitler and many others national socialist had so they end up creating a state that has the same authority but with a national identity to it.

The common thread to all of them was that the individual did not have a right to exist as a self-created personality.

 

[The T]

The difference between marxist socialist and national socialist is that in marxism the state exist without any nation so that it can control the masses. This is one of the complaints about marxism that hitler and many others national socialist had so they end up creating a state that has the same authority but with a national identity to it.

The common thread to all of them was that the individual did not have a right to exist as a self-created personality.

And that the Government was the Be-All to end all and knew best for the Individual...when actuality the concept of Individual Liberty ceased to exist or in their minds NEVER existed, and was a nuiscense that HAD to be eliminated.

And to this? Is the ROAD that we are on a fast track toward under Obama, and the Statists within the Congress.

Laugh all you want...but is the first steps to tyranny. We are in a *Soft Tyranny* NOW...their foot is in the door.

I want to BREAK that foot as to make sure it never enters the door ever again...and will follow the words of the Founders like Jefferson if they refuse to listen.

[Spilled, Blood, TYRANTS]...After all avenues to stop this crap have played out.

 

[MaggieMae]

“It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too. My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”

"To avoid being mistaken for a white sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."

"This is the moment when we must build on the wealth that open markets have created, and share its benefits more equitably. Trade has been a cornerstone of our growth and global development. But we will not be able to sustain this growth if it favors the few, and not the many."

"Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself."

I do Barack, and that's why I am asking...

Perhaps because we are supposed to be the UNITED States of America, and WE the people, not just the more affluent among us.

God you people are ignorant. The framers of that precious document we live by must be turning in their respective graves at least a dozen times a day. You make me sick.

 

[MaggieMae]

Those quotes sure do sound like a socialist ideologue. How can anyone say otherwise?

Definitions of socialism:

•a political theory advocating state ownership of industry
•an economic system based on state ownership of capital

Does the government now own all industry? No. Did it attempt to prop up important industries (financial institutions and automobile) in order for it to survive IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR? Yes.

Does the government now "own" all capital? Hardly. Or did you miss those big bonuses the Wall Street fat cats want to pocket. Again.

Wealth "redistribution" works both ways. It's time that some of the windfall from the last eight years that did NOT trickle down according to Econ 101 but was pocketed by the already wealthy, start being redistributed to those who were pissed on instead.

 

[Meister]

Those quotes sure do sound like a socialist ideologue. How can anyone say otherwise?

Definitions of socialism:

•a political theory advocating state ownership of industry
•an economic system based on state ownership of capital

Does the government now own all industry? No. Did it attempt to prop up important industries (financial institutions and automobile) in order for it to survive IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR? Yes.

Does the government now "own" all capital? Hardly. Or did you miss those big bonuses the Wall Street fat cats want to pocket. Again.

Wealth "redistribution" works both ways. It's time that some of the windfall from the last eight years that did NOT trickle down according to Econ 101 but was pocketed by the already wealthy, start being redistributed to those who were pissed on instead.

First, Maggie...look at post #3. Second, they do have control of some auto industries, some lending institutions, and working on the healthcare industry. This isn't going to happen overnight, Maggie. But, the foot is in the door.

 

[Oddball]

Was post #3 prophetic, or what??!?!?!???

Definition of Fabian Socialism

 

[Meister]

Was post #3 prophetic, or what??!?!?!???

Definition of Fabian Socialism

Dude, you were spot on, and I did mention that fact. It is funny.

 

[MaggieMae]

Those quotes sure do sound like a socialist ideologue. How can anyone say otherwise?

Definitions of socialism:

•a political theory advocating state ownership of industry
•an economic system based on state ownership of capital

Does the government now own all industry? No. Did it attempt to prop up important industries (financial institutions and automobile) in order for it to survive IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR? Yes.

Does the government now "own" all capital? Hardly. Or did you miss those big bonuses the Wall Street fat cats want to pocket. Again.

Wealth "redistribution" works both ways. It's time that some of the windfall from the last eight years that did NOT trickle down according to Econ 101 but was pocketed by the already wealthy, start being redistributed to those who were pissed on instead.

First, Maggie...look at post #3. Second, they do have control of some auto industries, some lending institutions, and working on the healthcare industry. This isn't going to happen overnight, Maggie. But, the foot is in the door.

It's nothing but fearmongering. First it was OMG we gotta blow up everything in the Mideast before they blow us up!!! Now it's Socialism is Coming to Town. Bullshit. We are so far away from a true Socialist state, it would boggle your mind if you actually sat down and read some serious information on it.

Obama's No Socialist. I Should Know. - washingtonpost.com

Couple of excerpts:

The first clear indication that Obama is not, in fact, a socialist, is the way his administration is avoiding structural changes to the financial system. Nationalization is simply not in the playbook of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and his team. They favor costly, temporary measures that can easily be dismantled should the economy stabilize. Socialists support nationalization and see it as a means of creating a banking system that acts like a highly regulated public utility. The banks would then cease to be sinkholes for public funds or financial versions of casinos and would become essential to reenergizing productive sectors of the economy.

The same holds true for health care. A national health insurance system as embodied in the single-payer health plan reintroduced in legislation this year by Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), makes perfect sense to us. That bill would provide comprehensive coverage, offer a full range of choice of doctors and services and eliminate the primary cause of personal bankruptcy -- health-care bills. Obama's plan would do the opposite. By mandating that every person be insured, ObamaCare would give private health insurance companies license to systematically underinsure policyholders while cashing in on the moral currency of universal coverage. If Obama is a socialist, then on health care, he's doing a fairly good job of concealing it.

 

[Meister]

Definitions of socialism:

•a political theory advocating state ownership of industry
•an economic system based on state ownership of capital

Does the government now own all industry? No. Did it attempt to prop up important industries (financial institutions and automobile) in order for it to survive IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR? Yes.

Does the government now "own" all capital? Hardly. Or did you miss those big bonuses the Wall Street fat cats want to pocket. Again.

Wealth "redistribution" works both ways. It's time that some of the windfall from the last eight years that did NOT trickle down according to Econ 101 but was pocketed by the already wealthy, start being redistributed to those who were pissed on instead.

First, Maggie...look at post #3. Second, they do have control of some auto industries, some lending institutions, and working on the healthcare industry. This isn't going to happen overnight, Maggie. But, the foot is in the door.

It's nothing but fearmongering. First it was OMG we gotta blow up everything in the Mideast before they blow us up!!! Now it's Socialism is Coming to Town. Bullshit. We are so far away from a true Socialist state, it would boggle your mind if you actually sat down and read some serious information on it.

Obama's No Socialist. I Should Know. - washingtonpost.com

Couple of excerpts:

The first clear indication that Obama is not, in fact, a socialist, is the way his administration is avoiding structural changes to the financial system. Nationalization is simply not in the playbook of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and his team. They favor costly, temporary measures that can easily be dismantled should the economy stabilize. Socialists support nationalization and see it as a means of creating a banking system that acts like a highly regulated public utility. The banks would then cease to be sinkholes for public funds or financial versions of casinos and would become essential to reenergizing productive sectors of the economy.

The same holds true for health care. A national health insurance system as embodied in the single-payer health plan reintroduced in legislation this year by Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), makes perfect sense to us. That bill would provide comprehensive coverage, offer a full range of choice of doctors and services and eliminate the primary cause of personal bankruptcy -- health-care bills. Obama's plan would do the opposite. By mandating that every person be insured, ObamaCare would give private health insurance companies license to systematically underinsure policyholders while cashing in on the moral currency of universal coverage. If Obama is a socialist, then on health care, he's doing a fairly good job of concealing it.

Maggie, what you posted is bullshit. I don't know if you truely believe that, or you think that I'm that stupid. The government had no legal right to intervene in the manner that they did with the lending, and auto industry....but they did, and what do you call that?
In 20 years with the healthcare industry....or there abouts, you will see a total takeover of the industry....the free market just won't be able to compete with the government. The government does not have to worry about a bottom line, they just have to tax more, and still carry a negative sum...as in Medicare, SS. So don't shove that crap at me. I'm not fearmongering...I'm looking at reality. I'm a conservative, and your a liberal...that's the way it is.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Meister, stop driveling and pay attention. The parcel and post and delivery industries have competed with the USPS very well for a very long time. Health insurance reform is not universal health care reform. Government regulati.on is not socialism. Breathe into a paper bag, if you have to, and calm down.

 

[Meister]

Meister, stop driveling and pay attention. The parcel and post and delivery industries have competed with the USPS very well for a very long time. Health insurance reform is not universal health care reform. Government regulati.on is not socialism. Breathe into a paper bag, if you have to, and calm down.

I know you have no idea what you just said, and you have no idea what I just said.

 

[RodISHI]

Those quotes sure do sound like a socialist ideologue. How can anyone say otherwise?

Definitions of socialism:

•a political theory advocating state ownership of industry
•an economic system based on state ownership of capital

Does the government now own all industry? No. Did it attempt to prop up important industries (financial institutions and automobile) in order for it to survive IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR? Yes.

Does the government now "own" all capital? Hardly. Or did you miss those big bonuses the Wall Street fat cats want to pocket. Again.

Wealth "redistribution" works both ways. It's time that some of the windfall from the last eight years that did NOT trickle down according to Econ 101 but was pocketed by the already wealthy, start being redistributed to those who were pissed on instead.

Maggie, I been looking at a bit of the wealth distribution going down at Welcome to USAspending.gov and Recovery.gov

I cannot say I am terribly impressed after looking closer into where all the money is going. Twenty two million plus of ARRA money for few select bio industry and energy type projects here with only a few jobs to show for the ARRA monies alone, that does not include other grants they have received and are scheduling to receive. Although from what I have been reading Iowa does have a new energy department to oversee all this purported clean energy with new a three year college grad overseeing it too. From the quick search I did this morning it looks like a possibility daddy is a corporate attorney that moved here in recent years from Chicago.

Sorry by the looks of this so far it does not sound like the kind of things that are going to get people back working.