Hethrow closed for the day it seems

[CowboyTed]

Heathrow closure: Limited flights resume this evening as fire thought to be 'non-suspicious'

Over 1,300 flights were cancelled today after a power outage caused by a fire at a nearby electrical substation.

www.thejournal.ie

This doesn't seem like an attack.
This is what I always think is the big problem... As we get more connected as terrist group can cripple a country with just a small device in the right area..

US Eastern Electricity Supply seems suspect as does their reservoir water.

 

[1srelluc]

I just heard that it's being investigated as a possible terrorist attack.

If only they didn't have so many Muslins to cull through.

 

[CowboyTed]

I just heard that it's being investigated as a possible terrorist attack.

If only they didn't have so many Muslins to cull through.

In London, I would be looking at the Russians if they don't own the Airport already...

 

[1srelluc]

Seems like a rather critical piece of infrastructure to not have a backup or alternate substation. If we lose a transformer at Dulles or Reagan, the power is rerouted and usually back-up within the hour.

Jeez, how can you have such an important airport to not have several backup plans?

Then again, we are talking about a country that can't afford guided missiles for their GM cruisers.

 

[CowboyTed]

Seems like a rather critical piece of infrastructure to not have a backup or alternate substation. If we lose a transformer at Dulles or Reagan, the power is rerouted and usually back-up within the hour.

Jeez, how can you have such an important airport to not have several backup plans?

Then again, we are talking about a country that can't afford guided missiles for their GM cruisers.

Simply, privatisation...

All the Airports are privatised to make money and redundancy doesn't help bottom line.

I was about to go through Gatwick one winter and they couldn't take planes because it snowed... Turns out the spent last years budget on putting in more retail spaces instead of buying snow ploughs unlike the other London airports....

Airports in UK under Tory Government were not deemed important enough to keep in public hands...

US doesn't do that... JFK is owned by the tax payers....

 

[Dekster]

Heathrow closure: Limited flights resume this evening as fire thought to be 'non-suspicious'

Over 1,300 flights were cancelled today after a power outage caused by a fire at a nearby electrical substation.

www.thejournal.ie

This doesn't seem like an attack.
This is what I always think is the big problem... As we get more connected as terrist group can cripple a country with just a small device in the right area..

US Eastern Electricity Supply seems suspect as does their reservoir water.

This does not seem to be that crippling. A lot of the people already have power back and the other airports in the region took in the planes already in the air.

The eastern US suffers power outages all the time, often due to weather. Most cities have multiple power sources and can reroute power around affected areas while they switch out substation equipment. Part of the modernization of the grid is making it more modular so components can be switched out quickly. IDK about "reservoir water". Our city uses a river and has several holding tanks. I have yet to see terrorists take out a river.

 

[CowboyTed]

The airport is owned and operated by Heathrow Airport Holdings, whose owners include Ardian, Qatar Investment Fund and Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund. -- There are around 475,000 total aircraft movements through Heathrow annually

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/what-we-know-about-heathrow-airport-2025-03-21/#:~:text=%2D%2D%20The%20airport%20is%20owned,aircraft%20movements%20through%20Heathrow%20annually.

So I stand corrected, the Muslims own the Airport..

 

[CowboyTed]

This does not seem to be that crippling. A lot of the people already have power back and the other airports in the region took in the planes already in the air.

The eastern US suffers power outages all the time, often due to weather. Most cities have multiple power sources and can reroute power around affected areas while they switch out substation equipment. Part of the modernization of the grid is making it more modular so components can be switched out quickly. IDK about "reservoir water". Our city uses a river and has several holding tanks. I have yet to see terrorists take out a river.

This is a mess in UK... Heathrow is the king of long haul... Gatwick will try and take as much of the load as possible... It is an hour between the two airport with no traffic..

 

[1srelluc]

This does not seem to be that crippling. A lot of the people already have power back and the other airports in the region took in the planes already in the air.

The eastern US suffers power outages all the time, often due to weather. Most cities have multiple power sources and can reroute power around affected areas while they switch out substation equipment. Part of the modernization of the grid is making it more modular so components can be switched out quickly. IDK about "reservoir water". Our city uses a river and has several holding tanks. I have yet to see terrorists take out a river.

We get our water from both, a reservoir and the Shenandoah River.

There are three holding tanks.

 

[Dekster]

This is a mess in UK... Heathrow is the king of long haul... Gatwick will try and take as much of the load as possible... It is an hour between the two airport with no traffic..

From what I have read they should have Heathrow back online by tomorrow and then it will take a couple days for the airlines to restage planes and get people where they should already be. Apparently the substation back up failed to come online like it should have. I assume that is something they will look at for the future with adding more redundancy so it is less likely to happen again.

 

[CowboyTed]

We get our water from both, a reservoir and the Shenandoah River.

There are three holding tanks.

Poison the holding tanks? make them unusable without multiple flushes... this could take months..

Effective Terrorist Organisations don't really want kill people, they want to cause disruption and financial cost... They want to make it not worth it...

Do this is an area of water shortage the cost economically would be high for relative little cost and risk..

 

[CowboyTed]

From what I have read they should have Heathrow back online by tomorrow and then it will take a couple days for the airlines to restage planes and get people where they should already be. Apparently the substation back up failed to come online like it should have. I assume that is something they will look at for the future with adding more redundancy so it is less likely to happen again.

Redundancy checks...
Would love to see how often they do that and the report of results from the last one...

Do we think there might be a corner cut?

I am just laughing that Saudi Arabia and Qatar own the airport...

 

[1srelluc]

Poison the holding tanks? make them unusable without multiple flushes... this could take months..

Effective Terrorist Organisations don't really want kill people, they want to cause disruption and financial cost... They want to make it not worth it...

Do this is an area of water shortage the cost economically would be high for relative little cost and risk..

A holding tank for water is a closed system. Not saying it could not be done but it would not be easy.

 

[Dekster]

Redundancy checks...
Would love to see how often they do that and the report of results from the last one...

Do we think there might be a corner cut?

I am just laughing that Saudi Arabia and Qatar own the airport...

I don't know what the backup system failed and apparently neither do authorities as it was "unprecedented" according to the article I read.

 

[CowboyTed]

A holding tank for water is a closed system. Not saying it could not be done but it would not be easy.

It is about taking the one with the weakest security and attacking it...

It is the cost of then securing all the others that is the real killer...

UK's Liverpool Street (in London) bombing is the example... It was a bomb with a huge warning on a Sunday... London Financial district is a ghost town on Sunday that killed one person (a reporter taking a picture of the disarm robot)...

The cost was bring down the bearing exchange, the massive redunancy systems and the security... Every bag entering the City (financial) district had to be checked.. Think of that cost...

That bomb was a one ton fertiliser bomb... So it took about one pound of plastic explosive (Symtex/C4) and enough fertiliser for 25 acres and it cost billions...

1993 Bishopsgate bombing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"The Baltic Exchange bombing caused £800 million worth of damage (equivalent to £2.09 billion in 2023), £200 million more than the total damage caused by the 10,000 explosions that had occurred during the Troubles in Northern Ireland up to that point."

It was that point UK Government and IRA started peace talks.

 

[Blaster]

England is controlled by leftists.

 

[CowboyTed]

I don't know what the backup system failed and apparently neither do authorities as it was "unprecedented" according to the article I read.

It is about doing costly redundancy checks(probably once a year).

This is one of the ways private orgs save money over public orgs.... Now there might be regulations in place to say these checks should have taken place... We will see in the enquiry...

 

[CowboyTed]

England is controlled by leftists.

Sorry but privatisation is a Right Wing policy...

Selling off strategic government assets and reducing the size of government is a Conservative thing, not 'leftist'...

Basically saying everything that goes wrong is the other team's fault is pretty stupid... Reality both sides have Pros and Cons with the optimal usually relying on a balance between the two in the middle...

US has plenty of popular and efficient socialist programs and also enjoys fair market competition in other areas too...

 

[CowboyTed]

I don't know what the backup system failed and apparently neither do authorities as it was "unprecedented" according to the article I read.

It is about doing costly redundancy checks(probably once a year).

This is one of the ways private orgs save money over public orgs.... Now there might be regulations in place to say these checks should have taken place... We will see from enquiry

 

[Deadstick]

In London, I would be looking at the Russians if they don't own the Airport already...

Of course it was Putin in person. you really have it bad.