Here's What's In HHS's Report on 'Gender-Affirming Care'

[Marener]

Actually in empirical studies you observe something and then try to figure out what is going on.

Shows how much you know about "science"

In medical science, you try an intervention against the standard of care and see if it produces a better outcome.

Not that it matters to you, because you don’t actually care about helping anyone if it conflicts with your own personal beliefs.

 

[Leo123]

Everyone is dysfunctional also..There are no perfect humans.

Everyone is born either male or female except for very rare exceptions. And no, not everyone is dysfunctional. Saying there are no perfect human beings is meaningless and vague but, that's what you trolls do.

 

[martybegan]

In medical science, you try an intervention against the standard of care and see if it produces a better outcome.

Not that it matters to you, because you don’t actually care about helping anyone if it conflicts with your own personal beliefs.

Most medical science is empirical, not theoretical to begin with.

In medical care "do no harm" is the first rule. Sorry, but drugging and mutilating kids due to their mental state doesn't satisfy that requirement.

 

[ThisIsMe]

The methods were wrong. You don’t start with a conclusion and find evidence to support it.

It doesn't take a lot of science to figure out you don't give hormone therapy to children. Just because timmy, at 5 years old, plays with a doll every now and then, doesn't mean you should start trying to affirm him as a girl. Just because little Johnny at 8 exhibits feminine qualities doesn't mean he thinks hes a girl. However, you have lefties out there who will see those things and demand we start giving them hormones, puberty blockers or gender affirming care, when all it might be is Timmy is going through a phase..or maybe he just likes the color pink. Little Johnny might just be less masculine than normal, or maybe he just might be gay.

But you have lefties who will swoop in and say they need to delay puberty and start trying to get the kid to wear women's clothes.

It doesn't take a scientist to know that that is wrong. We need to wait til they are older In order for them to figure out who they are, not what some agenda driven leftist thinks they are.

 

[Marener]

It doesn't take a lot of science to figure out you don't give hormone therapy to children. Just because timmy, at 5 years old, plays with a doll every now and then, doesn't mean you should start trying to affirm him as a girl. Just because little Johnny at 8 exhibits feminine qualities doesn't mean he thinks hes a girl. However, you have lefties out there who will see those things and demand we start giving them hormones, puberty blockers or gender affirming care, when all it might be is Timmy is going through a phase..or maybe he just likes the color pink. Little Johnny might just be less masculine than normal, or maybe he just might be gay.

But you have lefties who will swoop in and say they need to delay puberty and start trying to get the kid to wear women's clothes.

It doesn't take a scientist to know that that is wrong. We need to wait til they are older In order for them to figure out who they are, not what some agenda driven leftist thinks they are.

That’s the thing about gender affirming care you don’t get.

You’re so obsessed with telling kids what they are and how they should act, you don’t take the time to listen to what they have to say.

 

[Moonglow]

Everyone is born either male or female except for very rare exceptions. And no, not everyone is dysfunctional. Saying there are no perfect human beings is meaningless and vague but, that's what you trolls do.

Approximately 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 4,500 births result in an individual with sex characteristics that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female, according to Wikipedia and The Intersex Society of North America. This is often referred to as intersex, meaning the individual has a variety of sex characteristics, including anatomy, chromosomes, or hormone production, that do not fit typical male or female definitions.

 

[Leo123]

In medical science, you try an intervention against the standard of care and see if it produces a better outcome.

Not that it matters to you, because you don’t actually care about helping anyone if it conflicts with your own personal beliefs.

That's a bunch of vague word salad that a low IQ person would say.

 

[Marener]

Most medical science is empirical, not theoretical to begin with.

In medical care "do no harm" is the first rule. Sorry, but drugging and mutilating kids due to their mental state doesn't satisfy that requirement.

I don’t know why you’re talking about empirical science. I never mentioned it and it has nothing to do with the topic.

All medical treatments come with some risk. The question is whether the benefits outweigh them. Your simplistic framing doesn’t actually function in the real world.

 

[ThisIsMe]

That’s the thing about gender affirming care you don’t get.

You’re so obsessed with telling kids what they are and how they should act, you don’t take the time to listen to what they have to say.

.quite the contray, I trying to stop people from telling kids what they are and letting them figure that out for themselves. It's the lefties who are trying to force the issue by demanding we take these actions on little kids.

we do need to listen to what they say, but when a 5 year old boy says he thinks he might be a little girl, we'll, we have to understand...he's 5 years old..

 

[martybegan]

I don’t know why you’re talking about empirical science. I never mentioned it and it has nothing to do with the topic.

All medical treatments come with some risk. The question is whether the benefits outweigh them. Your simplistic framing doesn’t actually function in the real world.

Empirical is seeing something at first and then doing the work to find out how it happens. Or as you said "knowing something beforehand"

Sorry, but disrupting a normally functioning endocrine system, or removing normally functioning body parts due to someone's mental condition doesn't fall into the normal cost/benefit analysis of medical treatments.

 

[Leo123]

That’s the thing about gender affirming care you don’t get.

You’re so obsessed with telling kids what they are and how they should act, you don’t take the time to listen to what they have to say.

Little boys and little girls are born either male or female which is their respective gender so, normal, gender affirming care is making sure they align with their natal sex. As a parent myself, I am tasked with teaching my kids how they should act. You're not a parent, are you?

 

[Hollie]

That’s the thing about gender affirming care you don’t get.

You’re so obsessed with telling kids what they are and how they should act, you don’t take the time to listen to what they have to say.

Thats the thing about grooming, you falsely label as gender affirming care.

It’s not affirming anything. It’s coercive and bullying with the queer agenda. It’s preying upon children who are easily manipulated by adults. Nothing is affirmed by first graders being subjected to drag queens, tranny story hour hosted by rotund old men dressed as outrageous caricatures of women?

 

[Marener]

we do need to listen to what they say, but when a 5 year old boy says he thinks he might be a little girl, we'll, we have to understand...he's 5 years old..

No one is “taking action” on that 5 year old. Gender affirming care does not force anything on people.

 

[Papageorgio]

But it’s not a deflection. It’s explaining why we consider sex and gender differently. Because it doesn’t really matter what someone’s genitals are, but it does matter their outward gender expression.

Why does how you dress matter to anyone else? I dress the way I want, if you don’t like it, I’m good with that. If you want to dress as a girl, I’m good with that. I’m not good with men pretending to be women participating in women’s sports, I’m not good with you demanding me to address you by your chosen pronouns. I don’t need you to affirm who I am and I don’t need to affirm who you are. I also don’t need to acknowledge people with racial dysphoria, or people with furry dysphoria, or people that have celebrity dysphoria. You have your freedom and I have mine.

 

[otto105]

By preaching celebration, not tolerance. The left's new religion is this gender fuckery.

10 year olds have a choice over books in their curriculums?

Now it “preaching celebration “?


You’re one old mentally declining white man.

 

[Marener]

Empirical is seeing something at first and then doing the work to find out how it happens. Or as you said "knowing something beforehand"

Sorry, but disrupting a normally functioning endocrine system, or removing normally functioning body parts due to someone's mental condition doesn't fall into the normal cost/benefit analysis of medical treatments.

So mental health matters less than the “normally functioning endocrine system”?

 

[martybegan]

Now it “preaching celebration “?


You’re one old mentally declining white man.

Promoting, preaching, it's in the fucking word, "pride"

 

[Hollie]

Approximately 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 4,500 births result in an individual with sex characteristics that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female, according to Wikipedia and The Intersex Society of North America. This is often referred to as intersex, meaning the individual has a variety of sex characteristics, including anatomy, chromosomes, or hormone production, that do not fit typical male or female definitions.

That is hilarious.

“according to Wikipedia and The Intersex Society of North America”.

You’re to be commended for not spamming the thread with references to NAMBLA.

“The Intersex Society of North America”. Is that a subsidiary of NAMBLA?

 

[Rawley]

One of several.

Associations Among Gender-Affirming Hormonal Interventions, Social Support, and Transgender Adolescents' Mental Health - PubMed

TNB adolescents had better mental health outcomes in the context of receiving gender-affirming hormonal interventions and having greater support from family and friends. Findings highlight the important role of quality family and friend support for TNB mental health. Providers should aim to...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Did you actually read the study? It was only friend support that reduced suicidality

Gender-affirming hormonal interventions were associated with fewer anxiety symptoms (β = -0.23; p < .05). Family support was associated with fewer depressive symptoms (β = -0.33; p = .003) and less NSSI (β = -0.27; p = .02). Friend support was associated with fewer anxiety symptoms (β = -0.32; p = .007) and less suicidality (β = -0.25; p = .03).

Hormone intervention by itself did not reduce suicidality.

Indeed, while accounting for social support, receiving gender-affirming hormonal interventions was associated with fewer anxiety symptoms, and marginally associated with fewer depressive symptoms. Other mental health outcomes were not associated with receipt of gender-affirming hormonal interventions

 

[martybegan]

So mental health matters less than the “normally functioning endocrine system”?

Disrupting a normally functioning one sure as hell should matter more. Again, "do no harm"

Name one other medical procedure where a normally functioning system is disrupted, or a healthy organ or body part is removed?

I can think of only one, circumcision, and that doesn't change the function of the organ in question.