Here’s a sob story about a college%educated professional who can’t support his four kids without the enchanted government child support

Show me where a retired couple, with an income of forty thousand a year counting social security, pays a dime in income taxes, or STFU.
You should start another thread. This one is about a well-educated, well-paid, man and his wife complaining because the government is not paying them to raise their children. Please try to stay focused - or at least admit you've got nothing to add to the topic at hand.
 
LMAO, who are you trying to fool. OK, single individual, getting by on 40 grand, mostly because the minimum required distrbution is pushing them into a taxable situation. Well, how are they making 25 grand on their minimum required distribution. That means the value of their IRA at 71 is over two hundred grand. And yet they are drawing less than $1500 a month in Social Security. That is just not anywhere close to reality. I mean know this, this is what I do for a living. This is how I raised six kids. I have forgotten more about RMD's, Social Security income, and retirement planning than you will ever know. I have tens of millions of dollars under management, hundreds of clients who value my expertise, and your scenario is just plain off the wall STUPID.

You and George Soros have this foundation in common. Perhaps, if you're lucky, one day you can be as influential of a rich socialist as he is.
 
You’re impossible. I’m talking about the hardships to the MIDDLE CLASS that is being caused by Biden’s liberal handout policies. You’re so stuck on the “rich” that you can’t even comprehend what is going on here.

People need to take jobs and stop assuming they are entitled to other people’s money.
You're doing a great job and I am 95% in agreement with everything you say in this thread but, if I may (I'm going to do it anyway), this would be a more correct way of putting it:

People need to take jobs live within their means and take personal responsibility for their own actions and choices and stop assuming they are entitled to other people’s money.

Taking a job is one possible solution but it's not the only path for a family like that in the OP.
 
You should start another thread. This one is about a well-educated, well-paid, man and his wife complaining because the government is not paying them to raise their children. Please try to stay focused - or at least admit you've got nothing to add to the topic at hand.
Did you catch what he admitted? He WAS the liberal who had six kids, and then took as much as he could from other people in the form of government assistance - including food stamps. Shame on him. A responsible person would have chosen beteeen:

1) having the wife get a job to help support the family in the lifestyle they wanted, or

2) downsizing their lifestyle, be it a smaller home, more modest vacations, whatever.

Instead, he chose to make OTHER PEOPLE cover the expenses of the SIX children he decided to have, and he lectures us about being greedy. Has he no shame?
 
You're doing a great job and I am 95% in agreement with everything you say in this thread but, if I may (I'm going to do it anyway), this would be a more correct way of putting it:

People need to take jobs live within their means and take personal responsibility for their own actions and choices and stop assuming they are entitled to other people’s money.

Taking a job is one possible solution but it's not the only path for a family like that in the OP.
Absolutely. In fact, i just wrote that very thing a moment ago. People need to either a) have the stay-at-home take a job (if they want to maintain the higher lifestyle) or b) lower their lifestyle to where it fits to a single-income.
 
Massive handout? This cut pales in comparison to the handouts given to multinational corporations, billionaires and the wealthy elites that Republicans have constantly championed.

Why isn’t the previous generation ashamed of what they’ve saddled with us with?
that Republicans have constantly championed.

In order for that statement to be true, you have to amend it to...
that Republicans and Democrats have constantly championed.
 
Did you catch what he admitted? He WAS the liberal who had six kids, and then took as much as he could from other people in the form of government assistance - including food stamps. Shame on him. A responsible person would have chosen beteeen:

1) having the wife get a job to help support the family in the lifestyle they wanted, or

2) downsizing their lifestyle, be it a smaller home, more modest vacations, whatever.

Instead, he chose to make OTHER PEOPLE cover the expenses of the SIX children he decided to have, and he lectures us about being greedy. Has he no shame?
A Liberal with shame!
Are you insane?!
 
God has all the power to create universes yet he still begs for your money at church....Funny how that works.
It is better when one parent is a stay-at-home parent to help raise a family compared to when both parents work...
Then don't have more children than you can afford on one salary. This isn't rocket science.
 
There’s a little irony in your scenario here.

Guess who is paying for the retirees social security check? It’s straight up taking money from the engineer and giving it to the old people.
And what the retirees put into it all of their life account for nothing? Just because the government began kiting those checks does not mean that the retirees did not pay for their own Social Security.

An interesting comparison showing what could have been done with the contributions taken at gun point from American workers is three Texas counties who opted out of Social Security for their employees (only state and local government employees, with very few other exceptions, have that option) and create real retirement wealth for their employees:

 
God has all the power to create universes yet he still begs for your money at church....Funny how that works.
It is better when one parent is a stay-at-home parent to help raise a family compared to when both parents work...
You actually think God begs for money at church?
 
For non-gullible people who can read between the lines, here are two key points in the left-biased article::

1. He’s a college-educated software architect. The story quite noticeably omitted his salary (probably because it’s in the six figures).

2. The mother is a stay-at-home mom and says they are really feeling the pinch covering expenses for their four kids. After all, she doesn’t work.

Now for a couple of questions:

1. If they couldn’t afford to support four kids, why did they have them?

2. All four children are school-age. Why can’t the mother take one of the millions of unfilled jobs during school hours?

Sorry, but I am not going to cry when a college-educated professional complains that they can’t support their four kids on a single income, and expect to have other people fund child support payments so the wife doesn’t have to work.

My wife wanted three kids. After number two, I said it will be expensive and we were young so we kept it at two and probably wisely. Don't ask me to bail you out of your bad decisions.....I agree with your post 100%
 
My wife wanted three kids. After number two, I said it will be expensive and we were young so we kept it at two and probably wisely. Don't ask me to bail you out of your bad decisions.....I agree with your post 100%
Thanks. Both sets of grandparents limited themselves to two kids, because it was Depression times and that’s all they could afford. My parents also limited themselves to two, because they wanted to have Mom stay-at-home and they figured that’s how many would be comfortable to support on a single Income.That’s the type of thing responsible people do.

The Dems have now created such a sense of entitlement that people think they can have as many kids as they want - four, five, six - even though they can’t afford them (or afford them in the lifestyle they feel entitled to), and just have other people, including those who earn far less, hand over money to help support them.
 
Did you catch what he admitted? He WAS the liberal who had six kids, and then took as much as he could from other people in the form of government assistance - including food stamps. Shame on him. A responsible person would have chosen beteeen:

1) having the wife get a job to help support the family in the lifestyle they wanted, or

2) downsizing their lifestyle, be it a smaller home, more modest vacations, whatever.

Instead, he chose to make OTHER PEOPLE cover the expenses of the SIX children he decided to have, and he lectures us about being greedy. Has he no shame?
What a sanctimonious self-rightous piece of shit you are. I didn't make the rules sister, I just played by them to get the best result desired. Why is it I am "irresponsible" and yet the business owner that maximizes his tax credits and deductions, is a hero? What about the almighty Donald Trump, who declared bankruptcy numerous times, shafted contractors on an ongoing basis, and used business losses carried forward for years to eliminate his tax liability not "irresponsible"? He damn sure used "other's people's money" to build his empire.

Here is what I have noticed about Republican assholes. They know a whole hell of a lot about what other people should do. They want to tell people how many children they should have on one hand and then prevent others from having abortions. Anything that costs them nothing, no effort, no money, well they are all about controlling behavior and handing out dictates. And they are bunch of whiney ass little bitches. Yep, if I wouldn't have had six kids and used government assistance then they would have paid less in taxes and taken that money and used it to buy lottery tickets and would have won the Powerball. God but you people are sick and disgusting.

Meanwhile, my kids, the one's I should not have had, PAY YOUR FUCKING SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK, YOUR MEDICARE, and all the time reducing your cost of energy, enabling you to visit Amazon and make an effective purchase, increasing the value of your home, healing the very people you believe should not be born, and making this country a better nation.
 
For non-gullible people who can read between the lines, here are two key points in the left-biased article::

1. He’s a college-educated software architect. The story quite noticeably omitted his salary (probably because it’s in the six figures).

2. The mother is a stay-at-home mom and says they are really feeling the pinch covering expenses for their four kids. After all, she doesn’t work.

Now for a couple of questions:

1. If they couldn’t afford to support four kids, why did they have them?

2. All four children are school-age. Why can’t the mother take one of the millions of unfilled jobs during school hours?

Sorry, but I am not going to cry when a college-educated professional complains that they can’t support their four kids on a single income, and expect to have other people fund child support payments so the wife doesn’t have to work.

The days of single earner middle class families are gone. They've been gone for fifty years. If a family of six expects to live on one paycheck, they better be ready to make some sacrifices. The government or the rest of the population owes them NOTHING.
 
You will pay tax on only 85 percent of your Social Security benefits, based on Internal Revenue Service (IRS) rules. If you:

  • file a federal tax return as an "individual" and your combined income*is
    • between $25,000 and $34,000, you may have to pay income tax on up to 50 percent of your benefits.
    • more than $34,000, up to 85 percent of your benefits may be taxable.
  • file a joint return, and you and your spouse have a combined income*that is
    • between $32,000 and $44,000, you may have to pay income tax on up to 50 percent of your benefits.
    • more than $44,000, up to 85 percent of your benefits may be taxable.
  • are married and file a separate tax return, you probably will pay taxes on your benefits.

Wow! I wonder how hard that was for you to find. Apparently, master money manager and financial advisor, the up-and-coming George Soros, otherwise known here as Winston, doesn't know all he claimed to know about money management for the elderly. I'm glad he's not managing my money. He should have his license revoked.
 
The days of single earner middle class families are gone. They've been gone for fifty years. If a family of six expects to live on one paycheck, they better be ready to make some sacrifices. The government or the rest of the population owes them NOTHING.
Do you notice, though, how ENRAGED they get if someone suggests that? Out comes the profanity, the contempt, the out-and-out HATRED for daring to point out that an educated professional who chooses to have four kids, five kids, six kids, should live within his means and support them.
 
The days of single earner middle class families are gone. They've been gone for fifty years. If a family of six expects to live on one paycheck, they better be ready to make some sacrifices. The government or the rest of the population owes them NOTHING.
That’s not entirely true. Fifty years ago, I was a kid, living with my parents and one sibling in a house my folks bought on my dad’s salary alone. It was a nice house, and my sibling and I each had our own bedrooms, but our vacations were modest - a week at the beach, usually - and going out to dinner at anything other than Roy Rodgers was saved for someone’s birthday.

I’d say the days of single-earner middle class disappeared 30 years ago, unless of course you are like a liberal on this forum who was able to do so by taking other people’s money to help raise his kids.
 
Wow, thanks for the information. So this guy is well into the 6 figures.

There's always a chance that he's over-titled by some crappy company to get him for cheap. I have broad experience in many environments in this area, having held the title in multiple companies and having hired and supervised many with the title. I've also, though, seen companies that over-title to get under-qualified or naive workers to work for less.
 
You think doubling the AMerican work force didn't lower the value of men's wages?

lol

It's called the "two income trap" and it very much happened. If you removed all women from the work force tomorrow the value of the people left over who do work would sky rocket...

Not that complicated.

Which supports my argument around your other post. Women going to work wasn't about additional income. Sure, there was some, but that wasn't the trigger. And most of the additional income is vaporware, more than eaten up by the costs of two working parents. That's without considering the cost to the family and society.
 

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