Here’s a sob story about a college%educated professional who can’t support his four kids without the enchanted government child support

They could solve their problems if the wife would just be willing to take a part-time job. Jobs are going begging, and paying well above minimum.
The solution to their problem is not for the wife to take a job. They do not live within their means, take personal responsibility for their own actions and for their own needs, and for the needs of their family and the children the bring into the world. Getting more money will not change any of those character flaws; they would just have the same demands on others to pay their way at a higher level of expense.
 
But she had more kids than she can afford, so now she has to get another job - a part-time one while the kids are in school.

I could have just as well said that “my job” was to get good grades while I was in college, so someone else has to give me money.
It's not a question of her having more children than she can afford. Whether they had one child or eight children, they would be bums, not taking responsibility for their children, planning on others paying for their medical care should any serious condition arise.

They can absolutely afford the children they have. What they can't afford are the things they have chosen instead of caring for their children. Too expensive of car(s), too expensive of a home, clothes, food, etc., too many TVs, cable, cell phones, etc. I bet they have top of the line phones.
 
Good point. We need more people living in poverty so that you don’t have to pay 5% more for hamburger.
Anyone who chooses not to live in poverty doesn't live in poverty. I'm OK with people choosing couch time over study time, MSNBC time over work time, etc. That's their choice. It' OK for them to choose to be poor. They make the choice, they live with the consequences.
 
It's not a question of her having more children than she can afford. Whether they had one child or eight children, they would be bums, not taking responsibility for their children, planning on others paying for their medical care should any serious condition arise.

They can absolutely afford the children they have. What they can't afford are the things they have chosen instead of caring for their children. Too expensive of car(s), too expensive of a home, clothes, food, etc., too many TVs, cable, cell phones, etc. I bet they have top of the line phones.
Agree, and that goes back to entitlement. Who says a family is entitled to a house at all? Maybe they need to downsize to a townhouse. Maybe they should cancel their premium cable package. Maybe they can cut out the dinners out. Because if they are crying that they can’t support the family on $150k income, it’s not that their income is too low - it’s that they are living as if they have a $200k income, and expecting other people to make up the difference.
 
The outrage is the complaint that only this tax credit allows them to "survive", and of course it's the fault of the mean old Republicans to not allow this one part to pass because of their opposition to the 10 tons of other crap in the bill that contained it.
No one said anything about this family not being able to survive.

100% straw man.
 
So what are you doing with the massive handout to affluent families? What a hypocrite! We are going into trillions and trillions more debt so that the $150,000 families can live high on the hog, and THE NEXT GENERATION is going to pay for it.

You people in your 30s and 40s and 50s demanding all sorts of government handouts should be ashamed of what you’re saddling your kids with.
Massive handout? This cut pales in comparison to the handouts given to multinational corporations, billionaires and the wealthy elites that Republicans have constantly championed.

Why isn’t the previous generation ashamed of what they’ve saddled with us with?
 
And news flash: one would need to save $1 million to live somewhat comfortably as a retiree, a hard feat indeed. You think the affluent father earning six figures who is complaining that he can’t afford braces for his kids teeth is saving ANY money, let alone a mil?
I’m throwing your rhetoric back at you and seeing you recoil. Sadly you’re not smart enough to see how it reflects on you.

You have nothing but bad things to say about a family of six getting a tax cut for their kids but when it comes to retirees it’s nothing but “oh it’s so hard to save money”. Bullshit. It’s about as hard to save for retirement as it is to raise four kids these days.
 
There is no excuse for not getting a job anymore, there sure are plenty of them out there. Sure it may not be his dream job but when times are tough it doesn't matter, you get the job anyway. And his wife doesn't want to work? Well tough shit, you get a job. There are plenty of opportunities for her to even have a remote job she can do from home. I mean there are single parents with multiple kids that still have a job, go ask most poor ass urban parents.

This sounds like a case of they can't have their sweet ideal life and they are upset about it. They don't want to do any real work or put any real effort into life. They want the easy route because they are soft and weak.

It's their fault they had so many kids, it's their fault they didn't build in a safety plan into their lives for this to happen and it's their fault they don't want to work.

Fuck em.

Raising children is a job. Supporting a working spouse is a job. You can pay someone else to raise your children and see how that works out when your children turn out to be socialists, homosexuals, transgender, drug addicts, and commit suicide because they were led to believe they were evil for having been born white.

Or you can raise your children yourself, home school, or at least have the time to be there to counter the evils children learn in the world, taught by transvestite reading sessions in their kindergarten class.

You're clearly a socialist. Everyone is a "worker". That term, straight out of Marx, has become the most common description for Americans in political or government planning. No longer a person, a wife, a husband, a father, a mother. Just a worker.
 
Yes, pretty much the last week or so. Is he operating under more than one name? Because there sure are a lot of liberal millennials, or Gen X maybe, who hold the elderly in contempt.
I am a Boomer. Yes, at the cusp of the cutoff, but a boomer none the less. So, a corporation, or a CEO, or a business owner, is supposed to take advantage of every tax break, every tax credit, every available avenue to maximize corporate income. But if I, as an individual, decide to behave in the same way I am somehow condemned? Bullshit, I ran my family like a business. First and foremost, there is no value that can be placed on a stay-at-home Mom. Especially when you have half a dozen kids. Matter of fact, to ask that mother to work is the same thing as pissing in the wind. And here is the other thing, school age children need a stay-at-home Mom as much, if not more, that children that are not school aged. And college, same damn thing. That type of investment needs to have the catalyst of a stay-at-home Mom.

So for years, I pegged my income to maximize the EITC. I mean it would be stupid not to. And yep, I got food assistance for many of those years. But I got to tell you, three teenage boys in the house and you are looking at $1600 a month in groceries. In the end, I was funding that all on my own, but I am not too ashamed to say that was not always the case. And those like you can moan and groan all you want. Results speak for themselves. Oldest daughter, doctor, with a thriving practice. Next daughter, real estate agent, leader in the market, has her own firm. Both live in fine homes with six figure equity. Third daughter, disabled, a story unto itself that we don't have to get into right now. Oldest son, doctor, but in Mechanical Engineering, one of the world's most foremost experts on creep, look it up. 25 with a net worth north of half a million. Next son, market leading salesmen in internet marketing, six figure income whose charitable contributions eclipse your yearly income, I am certain. Every year my wife and I sponsor a couple of children with the Salvation army. She came in complaining that there were so many "angels" left on the tree. That son told her to go pull them all and he spent thousands taking care of them. And then there is my youngest, fast tracking to law school as he completes his final year. Philosophy, Psychology, Political Science degree when he finishes. Specializes in Logic. Go figure.

We are not judged by what we have. We are judged by what we leave behind. And no investment pays bigger dividends than investment in our children, my life has borne that out. So I consider those refundable tax credits as investment in our children. If even ten cents on the dollar transfers to those children, it is more than worth it. It is what a real functioning society does. I will be dead and gone soon enough, but I will not leave this world unchanged. And my legacy will live on for generations.
 
Anyone who chooses not to live in poverty doesn't live in poverty. I'm OK with people choosing couch time over study time, MSNBC time over work time, etc. That's their choice. It' OK for them to choose to be poor. They make the choice, they live with the consequences.

Harsh....but correct.


One day we should discuss it, but I don't believe that there is poverty in this nation. I find it simply a Democrat talking point.


. "The government’s own statistics show that people who are said to be “living in poverty” spend more than $1.50 for each dollar of income they claim." http://theghostfighters.wordpress.c...ding-ovation-the-faculty-were-deathly-silent/
 
Can we get something clear. The child tax credit is no more welfare than the electric car purchase tax credit. Or the clean energy tax credit, or the dozens of other tax credits that are available for individuals and businesses. For corporations there is the foreign tax credit, the investment credit, the work opportunity credit, alcohol fuels credit, research credit and on and on and on, are those corporations on welfare? Attempting to relate the child tax credit with welfare is disingenuous at best, and sheer ignorance at worse.

Can we get something clear? The child tax credit is absolutely welfare. It differs from electric car purchase credits or others because those credits are intended to drive behavior or change in society. I don't agree with those credits either but they at least have a purpose related to something the government, not the politicians, have an interest - other than buying votes.

Are you arguing that the left's goal is for American families to have more children? We're underpopulated and need a baby boom to correct it? No; the child tax credit is absolutely nothing more than buying votes, and the recipients angry at any politician who votes against them.

Denying that the child tax credit is welfare is sheer ignorance at its best and an out-and-out, disingenuous, lie at its worst.
 
Lets stop importing foreign workers to take American jobs at lower wages
 
I only skimmed your rant, but enough to see that you don’t work with Boomers any more. Thank G-d. That would be like a Hitler type “helping” Jews plan their retirement.

But remember, you angry, entitled Gen Xer: One day YOU will be old, and the generation now children, whom you will have saddled with an unbearable burden due to your greediness, will have the same low opinion of you.
LMAO, again, I am a Boomer, but the respect I have among the Gen Xer's, the Millennials, and every other younger generation is immeasurable, it is why I work with them. That is because respect is a two-way street. When it comes to Millennials, they may very well exceed the accomplishments of the Greatest Generation. I mean people like you see the purpled haired girl working the self-checkout at Walmart. I see the young professionals, savers, like the greatest generation, over 600,000 of them have a net worth of over a million dollars. Charitable, socially conscious, and driven. They are the future, and we are at the cusp of when they will replace the parasites that are the boomers, as the most powerful generation. Your kind is dying out, thankfully so, time to embrace the future and move forward.
 
LMAO, again, I am a Boomer, but the respect I have among the Gen Xer's, the Millennials, and every other younger generation is immeasurable, it is why I work with them. That is because respect is a two-way street. When it comes to Millennials, they may very well exceed the accomplishments of the Greatest Generation. I mean people like you see the purpled haired girl working the self-checkout at Walmart. I see the young professionals, savers, like the greatest generation, over 600,000 of them have a net worth of over a million dollars. Charitable, socially conscious, and driven. They are the future, and we are at the cusp of when they will replace the parasites that are the boomers, as the most powerful generation. Your kind is dying out, thankfully so, time to embrace the future and move forward.
I'll buy most of that except the last statement

My old mans generation called us lazy good for nothing scroungy stringy haired good for nothing beatniks

It is a rite of passage
 
Can we get something clear? The child tax credit is absolutely welfare. It differs from electric car purchase credits or others because those credits are intended to drive behavior or change in society. I don't agree with those credits either but they at least have a purpose related to something the government, not the politicians, have an interest - other than buying votes.

Are you arguing that the left's goal is for American families to have more children? We're underpopulated and need a baby boom to correct it? No; the child tax credit is absolutely nothing more than buying votes, and the recipients angry at any politician who votes against them.

Denying that the child tax credit is welfare is sheer ignorance at its best and an out-and-out, disingenuous, lie at its worst.
Yes, absolutely, we need a baby boom. Truth of the matter is, without immigrants, both legal and illegal, this country's population growth would be negative. And that is a reflection of the Boomers more than anything. To self-absorbed to sacrifice to have children, they have used birth control to feed their own delusional desires. I mean you guys often lament about Europe, but Europe is dying, precisely because they have a negative birth rate. I mean I am here to tell you, I have had six kids and I don't think I am done. More of me is what this world needs.
 
Harsh....but correct.


One day we should discuss it, but I don't believe that there is poverty in this nation. I find it simply a Democrat talking point.


. "The government’s own statistics show that people who are said to be “living in poverty” spend more than $1.50 for each dollar of income they claim." http://theghostfighters.wordpress.c...ding-ovation-the-faculty-were-deathly-silent/
In all my financial dealings with every socioecon background, I found that often, the working poor had the nicest flat screens, cars, and other pleasures.

The true poverty are drug addled people who don;t care and we find their kids weigh 40 lbs at 7 yrs old
 
Yes, absolutely, we need a baby boom. Truth of the matter is, without immigrants, both legal and illegal, this country's population growth would be negative. And that is a reflection of the Boomers more than anything. To self-absorbed to sacrifice to have children, they have used birth control to feed their own delusional desires. I mean you guys often lament about Europe, but Europe is dying, precisely because they have a negative birth rate. I mean I am here to tell you, I have had six kids and I don't think I am done. More of me is what this world needs.
Had the jab? If so, you ain't having any baby boom any time in your lifetime. Nice thought, however.
 
Something where he can wear his PINK shirt......

Libs money grabbing---again.
If I was the oldest I'd have a family murder suicide. First to put my poor siblings out of a miserable life and save them. And 2nd for my parents for ever breeding

J/K you snowflakes..Just want to see you poop your diapers
 

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