Here’s a sob story about a college%educated professional who can’t support his four kids without the enchanted government child support

Show me where $250k was considered "middle class"

Even in NYC that isn't middle class.
That’s the insanity of that poster’s argument! She is insisting that $250k is middle class, and that a family with a $150k income should be getting other people’s money, while at the same time showing not merely total lack of sympathy for a retiree getting by on $40k, but actually spewing contempt.
 
No where does it say he’s getting other peoples money.

The retiree on the other hand is getting other people’s money.

And the one claiming moral superiority is the one telling this family how terrible they are for having goddamn children.
OK…..you are so brainwashed to your own destructive liberalism that you can’t comprehend that when an affluent father earning $150,000 is excused from paying income taxes, that means other people earning LESS have to make up the difference - either in terms of higher taxes, or, if printing money, by record-high inflation, which in turn creates a cavalcade of economic consequences.

I think there is something very wrong with your brain.
 
OK…..you are so brainwashed to your own destructive liberalism that you can’t comprehend that when an affluent father earning $150,000 is excused from paying income taxes, that means other people earning LESS have to make up the difference - either in terms of higher taxes, or, if printing money, by record-high inflation, which in turn creates a cavalcade of economic consequences.

I think there is something very wrong with your brain.
But tax cuts pay for themselves by stimulating the economy, duh!
 
For non-gullible people who can read between the lines, here are two key points in the left-biased article::

1. He’s a college-educated software architect. The story quite noticeably omitted his salary (probably because it’s in the six figures).

2. The mother is a stay-at-home mom and says they are really feeling the pinch covering expenses for their four kids. After all, she doesn’t work.

Now for a couple of questions:

1. If they couldn’t afford to support four kids, why did they have them?

2. All four children are school-age. Why can’t the mother take one of the millions of unfilled jobs during school hours?

Sorry, but I am not going to cry when a college-educated professional complains that they can’t support their four kids on a single income, and expect to have other people fund child support payments so the wife doesn’t have to work.

A software architect, according to Glassdoor, makes between 100K and 220K. When we were raising for kids we made $50,000 a year, I don't feel that bad for them.
 
No where does it say he’s getting other peoples money.

The retiree on the other hand is getting other people’s money.

And the one claiming moral superiority is the one telling this family how terrible they are for having goddamn children.
P.S. And I am saying he is terrible for having children he claims he cannot afford to support and is clamoring for other people to pay for them! Are you so deranged by leftist brainwashing that you can’t comprehend that?
 
OK…..you are so brainwashed to your own destructive liberalism that you can’t comprehend that when an affluent father earning $150,000 is excused from paying income taxes, that means other people earning LESS have to make up the difference - either in terms of higher taxes, or, if printing money, by record-high inflation, which in turn creates a cavalcade of economic consequences.

I think there is something very wrong with your brain.
Liberalism is Mental Disorder.
 
P.S. And I am saying he is terrible for having children he claims he cannot afford to support and is clamoring for other people to pay for them! Are you so deranged by leftist brainwashing that you can’t comprehend that?
But a retiree who is complaining they can’t afford things isn’t irresponsible because they didn’t save enough.

Is that the jist of it?

One deserves sympathy. One deserves scorn.

Maybe we should try sympathy for both? Crazy I know. That might just be the human thing to do.
 
No where does it say he’s getting other peoples money.

The retiree on the other hand is getting other people’s money.

And the one claiming moral superiority is the one telling this family how terrible they are for having goddamn children.
He was getting the tax credit on four kids, that comes from the government.

The retiree paid into the Social Security program and the government in exchange for the retiree paying into the program all his working life gets collect on the insurance when he retires.

The retiree earned his money from the government.
 
Not when they are so extreme that the government has to print trillions of dollars to hand out to affluent people that it drives inflation sky high!
The child tax credit is much smaller than the tax. cuts Republicans have been passing for decades. The ten year cost of the expanded CTC is $500 billion. The ten year cost is the Trump tax cut was around $2 trillion.

You’re just making up shitty nonsense to manage to avoid the fact that you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth.

It isn’t going to work.
 
He was getting the tax credit on four kids, that comes from the government.

The retiree paid into the Social Security program and the government in exchange for the retiree paying into the program all his working life gets collect on the insurance when he retires.

The retiree earned his money from the government.
Not so simple. The retiree’s taxes funded the government. The surplus SS continued to fund the government which kept their taxes artificially low as some of government function was funded by SS.

Now, the opposite is true. Our taxes will be artificially high because our SS taxes are insufficient to fund their benefits.

The prior generation took out a mortgage and the current generation is paying it.
 
Not so simple. The retiree’s taxes funded the government. The surplus SS continued to fund the government which kept their taxes artificially low as some of government function was funded by SS.

Now, the opposite is true. Our taxes will be artificially high because our SS taxes are insufficient to fund their benefits.

The prior generation took out a mortgage and the current generation is paying it.
How is that the fault of the retiree? He worked his whole life and contributed to a fund that the government guaranteed would be there for him, when he retired. How is it the fault of the retiree that his government made bad decisions with the money he contributed and was in a trust? When you buy other insurance policies do you think they should lower the payouts when they make bad business decisions?

The family were not guaranteed to get money every month until the kids became of age. There was no expectation of receiving money when they decided to have children, surely they were smart enough to know that with children came expenses and insurance and doctor bills. That is called making choices, maybe they should have aborted those kids so they could afford the lifestyle they wanted? The retiree had no choice but to pay into his program so he should receive what is due him, nothing more.
 
But a retiree who is complaining they can’t afford things isn’t irresponsible because they didn’t save enough.

Is that the jist of it?

One deserves sympathy. One deserves scorn.

Maybe we should try sympathy for both? Crazy I know. That might just be the human thing to do.

Oh, so now you’re saying sympathy for both? Up until now, you’ve been heaping scorn on the retiree who dutifully saved, paid taxes, and is on a modest income, while expressing sympathy for the high-earning family.

And news flash: one would need to save $1 million to live somewhat comfortably as a retiree, a hard feat indeed. You think the affluent father earning six figures who is complaining that he can’t afford braces for his kids teeth is saving ANY money, let alone a mil?

The fact remains that throughout this thread, you have defended an affluent family’s entitlement to other people’s money because they had more kids than they could afford, and have expressed nothing but disdain and contempt for responsible retirees making do on $40k, and paying taxes.

P.S. The affluent wife needs to get a job if she says the six-figures her husband brings in isn’t enough to support the four kids they decided to have
 
Not so simple. The retiree’s taxes funded the government. The surplus SS continued to fund the government which kept their taxes artificially low as some of government function was funded by SS.

Now, the opposite is true. Our taxes will be artificially high because our SS taxes are insufficient to fund their benefits.

The prior generation took out a mortgage and the current generation is paying it.
So what are you doing with the massive handout to affluent families? What a hypocrite! We are going into trillions and trillions more debt so that the $150,000 families can live high on the hog, and THE NEXT GENERATION is going to pay for it.

You people in your 30s and 40s and 50s demanding all sorts of government handouts should be ashamed of what you’re saddling your kids with.
 
How is that the fault of the retiree? He worked his whole life and contributed to a fund that the government guaranteed would be there for him, when he retired. How is it the fault of the retiree that his government made bad decisions with the money he contributed and was in a trust? When you buy other insurance policies do you think they should lower the payouts when they make bad business decisions?

The family were not guaranteed to get money every month until the kids became of age. There was no expectation of receiving money when they decided to have children, surely they were smart enough to know that with children came expenses and insurance and doctor bills. That is called making choices, maybe they should have aborted those kids so they could afford the lifestyle they wanted? The retiree had no choice but to pay into his program so he should receive what is due him, nothing more.
Even more….not only wasn’t the family guaranteed to get money every month until the kids came of age, they were never expecting it all. This is a completely unexpected windfall.

And forget the $150,000 family - that case is so obvious I can’t belice a liberal is even arguing for them. The one family I know with four young kids, and a husband with a middle-income salary, and who always watched their budget, are now flush with disposable income. They are buying all sorts of superfluous stuff - the wife just bought a $300 jewelry storage chest, and they have now booked a week in a Virginia Beach hotel for the spring - neither of which they could previously afford.

WHY are retirees with modest incomes, or childless adults, paying the cost for this unexpected windfall? Inflation is skyrocketing as a result, and the market is spooked with pending rates hikes. All so middle-income families can book vacations and buy unnecessary goodies?

I thank G-d Manchin blocked the BBB from going forward. A big part of it was continuing the expanded handouts to 90% of families, the cost of which is borne by non-families.
 
I've been collecting SS for 26 years now and using Medicare for almost the same. Two of the greatest things america has ever done. Millions upon millions of hard working underpaid people have benefitted.
 

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