Here We Go - Biden's DOJ Declares COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates Are Legal

[BlindBoo]

Not all need those vaccines. They are good though. I've had them all.

They don't require all of the ones we had to take anymore because those diseases are virtually gone.

I believe you can file for an exemption too.

 

[WEATHER53]

The very foreseeable outcome was that many would choose not to vaccinate
Why so much authoritarian lockdowns and requirements when the foreseeable outcome was that many would choose not to vaccinate
Now those who did are being punished and restricted again due those who didnt.
Incredibly haphazard for something that is sold as so deadly and so dire.

 

[MisterBeale]

That's the crux of the issue. Businesses do have the right to mandate vaccinations under the "safe workplace" doctrine. However, since none of the vaccines are actually FDA approved and designated as "Emergency use", most likely the door will be open to a long line of lawsuits. Requiring people to participate in experimental drug trials does not fall under those auspices. I'm still amazed that researchers could not come up with a safe vaccine for a corona virus of any type for the last 20 years, but 3 companies were able to knock one out in 12 months, apparently with "few" side effects compared with all their previous attempts.

I'm only speculating, but 2025 could be an interesting year as the lawsuits matriculate through the courts and more data (unless it's censored by the government) comes to light on the side effects of these drugs.

Don't misunderstand me - I'm a big fan of vaccines - generally those developed for bacterial infections. I'm a beneficiary of the polio, smallpox, whooping cough. et al vaccines of the past. Viral vaccines, not so much, especially the poor efficacy rates of "flu shots" over the years. Perhaps these current vaccines for Covid-19 will turn out to be panaceas - I don't know. Right now, it doesn't really seem so. For me, I'll wait a while longer and see what the data shows - if we can get access to it.

Cheers

Holy Crap!

A rational thinking, critical thinking post!


Are you sure you are in the right forum?

 

[BlindBoo]

It's not the same thing and you know it. Those other vaccines were thoroughly tested for years. This is entirely different as it is categorized as experimental. Plus I'm sure years ago there was more of a consensus among people because most wanted them. Right now tens of millions don't trust them, and I'm sure if pushed, this issue will see it's way to court.

Back in the early days of vaccines they had to be tested for years after some missteps cost lives.

"In 1955, some batches of polio vaccine given to the public contained live polio virus, even though they had passed required safety testing. Over 250 cases of polio were attributed to vaccines produced by one company: Cutter Laboratories. This case, which came to be known as the Cutter Incident, resulted in many cases of paralysis. The vaccine was recalled as soon as cases of polio were detected.

The Cutter Incident was a defining moment in the history of vaccine manufacturing and government oversight of vaccines, and led to the creation of a better system of regulating vaccines. After the government improved this process and increased oversight, polio vaccinations resumed in the fall of 1955.

At the time, there was no system in place to compensate people who might have been harmed by a vaccine. Today we have the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Programexternal icon (VICP), which uses scientific evidence to determine whether a vaccine might be the cause of an illness or injury, and provides compensation to individuals found to have been harmed by a vaccine. The VICP remains a model method for ensuring that all persons harmed by vaccines are compensated quickly and fairly, while also protecting companies that make lifesaving products from financially unsustainable liability claims through the tort system."

Historical Safety Concerns | Vaccine Safety | CDC

Read more about past vaccine safety concerns, how they have been resolved, and what we have learned.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Back in the early days of vaccines they had to be tested for years after some missteps cost lives.

"In 1955, some batches of polio vaccine given to the public contained live polio virus, even though they had passed required safety testing. Over 250 cases of polio were attributed to vaccines produced by one company: Cutter Laboratories. This case, which came to be known as the Cutter Incident, resulted in many cases of paralysis. The vaccine was recalled as soon as cases of polio were detected.

The Cutter Incident was a defining moment in the history of vaccine manufacturing and government oversight of vaccines, and led to the creation of a better system of regulating vaccines. After the government improved this process and increased oversight, polio vaccinations resumed in the fall of 1955.

At the time, there was no system in place to compensate people who might have been harmed by a vaccine. Today we have the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Programexternal icon (VICP), which uses scientific evidence to determine whether a vaccine might be the cause of an illness or injury, and provides compensation to individuals found to have been harmed by a vaccine. The VICP remains a model method for ensuring that all persons harmed by vaccines are compensated quickly and fairly, while also protecting companies that make lifesaving products from financially unsustainable liability claims through the tort system."

Historical Safety Concerns | Vaccine Safety | CDC

Read more about past vaccine safety concerns, how they have been resolved, and what we have learned.

www.cdc.gov

The companies making the vaccine today have immunity from liability. It was a deal they made because if the vaccine harmed people, it would be ripe for lawsuits since they didn't have FDA approval. Otherwise they wouldn't have produced the vaccine for the public.

You are comparing a "bad batch" of vaccine to a new vaccine that didn't undergo the years of testing to discover long-term effects. Big difference.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

More bad news coming out:

"New data suggests that fully vaccinated individuals are not just contracting COVID, but could be carrying higher levels of virus than previously understood, facilitating spread, my NBC News colleagues are reporting. New indoor masking guidance expected today."

Carrying higher viral loads.

Bad news for the Vaccinated…

Dr. Leana Wen — “New data suggests that fully vaccinated individuals are not just contracting COVID, but could be carrying higher levels of virus than previously understood, faci…

citizenfreepress.com

Is this supposed to besomething that we did not already know.? Do you think that somehow supports the anti vax case??

Clearly you are playing a sick game here because no one can be that stupid. People who have been vaxxed are spreading the virus as are the unvaxxed. That is not the same as saying that the vaccine is responsable for the spread as your post claimed. Stop lying!

What exactly do you disagree with https://www.usmessageboard.com/members/wtf19.74456/ ? Spell it out. Are you another idiot who thinks the vax spreads the disease?

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Because the people who did not get vaxxed are to stupid to worry

 

[MisterBeale]

Because the people who did not get vaxxed are to(sic) stupid to worry

. . . and time and time again, you seem to hate them, so why the hell do you even give a shit?

(btw, both your post, and lack of research about how educated folks are about the odds of dying from this disease show that haven't gotten it. They both prove you completely wrong on that count.)

Since anyone under the age of 60 chances of dying, statistically, rounded to the nearest whole number, is . . well, ZERO. Why should they worry?

Seems a really dumb thing to worry about. I worry much more every time I get in my car, or about how I am going to make all my bills, or inflation, than this stupid flu.



Clearly you have a weak mind and are highly susceptible to fear porn.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What exactly do you disagree with https://www.usmessageboard.com/members/wtf19.74456/ ? Spell it out. Are you another idiot who thinks the vax spreads the disease?

No, I think he's saying that it won't stop the spread as most of us thought it would.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

No, I think he's saying that it won't stop the spread as most of us thought it would.

Maybe. The varients do pose a challenge. But the vax still helps to keep people from getting sick or at least out of the hospital. And if more people had been vaxxed by now, these varients would have been tamped down considerably

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

. . . and time and time again, you seem to hate them, so why the hell do you even give a shit?

Stupid question! The answer is because it is not just about them . They are keeping us from getting this thing under controll.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

(btw, both your post, and lack of research about how educated folks are about the odds of dying from this disease show that haven't gotten it. They both prove you completely wrong on that count.)

Complete bullshit. You are the one who needs to do research. I will add that many who don't die have long term disabilities as a result of it, but I'm sure that yiu don't want to discuss that.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Since anyone under the age of 60 chances of dying, statistically, rounded to the nearest whole number, is . . well, ZERO. Why should they worry

More bullshit

 

[BlindBoo]

The companies making the vaccine today have immunity from liability. It was a deal they made because if the vaccine harmed people, it would be ripe for lawsuits since they didn't have FDA approval. Otherwise they wouldn't have produced the vaccine for the public.

You are comparing a "bad batch" of vaccine to a new vaccine that didn't undergo the years of testing to discover long-term effects. Big difference.

That immunity didn't start with the Covid vaccine either.

There was no comparison. That was one example from the early days of vaccine development. They've come a long way since those days.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Seems a really dumb thing to worry about. I worry much more every time I get in my car, or about how I am going to make all my bills, or inflation, than this stupid flu.

Have a nice trip....to the ICU

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Clearly you have a weak mind and are highly susceptible to fear porn.

Fear is a survival skill when the danger is in perspective.. And I really don't give a rats ass if you think that I have a weak mind. That accusation only reveals your own insecurity and need to be defensive. I know myself

 

[WEATHER53]

Thinkers are tired of being political Guinea pigs for something that very little is known about
Overreactive lib loons take”worst case” as most likely and Still don’t know if or how well the vaccination works and what it does or does not protect you from and if you can or can’t still spread it whatever “it” is.
So all of it is largely unknown yet we suffer under drastic restrictions that act as if everything Is Known. Experimental freedom and Liberty robbing over”an abundance of caution” is complete bullshit

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Stupid question! The answer is because it is not just about them . They are keeping us from getting this thing under controll.

What's so god damned funny Beale??

MisterBeale

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Thinkers are tired of being political Guinea pigs for something that very little is known about
Overreactive lib loons take”worst case” as most likely and Still don’t know if or how well the vaccination works and what it does or does not protect you from and if you can or can’t still spread it whatever “it” is.
So all of it is largely unknown yet we suffer under drastic restrictions that act as if everything Is Known. Experimental freedom and Liberty robbing over”an abundance of caution” is complete bullshit