Help Wanted: Ref Charlie Kirk Shooting Questions

[BULLDOG]

And the hard work of crafting the latest conspiracy theory continues.

 

[toobfreak]

The ballistic results are not in yet...

The ballistics have been in for weeks.

 

[Chuz Life]

Save your efforts, it didn't. And had it done so, it would have left no visible mark in the shirt until the wound underneath started bleeding into it, and it didn't. What you saw was likely just a defect or artifact in the video, or worse, someone deliberately altering it.


That did not happen, and is just plain silly.


Believe me, time was when I used to do a lot of forensic image analysis. And the sequence of time between the impact of the bullet and his starting to visibly bleed out (about a half second) gives some indication of the bullet trajectory via the movements of Kirk's body as it absorbed the impact.

If I find it, I will post it, just the same.

Others may want to see it too.

I see the shirt move first in an upward pinching movement on his left upper chest.

I will not post any AI-enhanced shit. So, if I can't find a trustworthy video, I won't share it.

 

[Care4all]

The ballistics have been in for weeks.

Do you have a link that the ballistic analysis of the bullet in Kirk did match the gun?

I can't find an official result??? The search results is cluttered with people doing their own testing on the strength of the gun for their own conspiracy theories....

 

[marvin martian]

Well what then? At the exact same time the lunatic fired his shot, it hit nothing and at that very second some second shooter knew to shoot at that exact same second?


Bullets do weird shit. For all we know it ricochet off something as well, since normally a .30 06 would totally blow a hole in a person or animal. But sometimes they don’t create a big hole.

Depends on the round. An fmj won't expand, for example. It would make a clean hole, but the shockwave would do some damage to soft tissue and clothes, etc.

 

[Chuz Life]

For what it's worth, I have an update to my theory as it relates to this thread that and I have now shared it with the FBI via email.

My theory is that the muzzle of Robinson's 30-06 rifle was partially or fully obstructed by the thin metal flashing or 'parapet' of the building.

If you look at the only known image of the shooter taken before the shot, you can see that he's back too far from the roof's edge for the barrel to have been over the top of the parapet. Especially, since he also had to be aiming downward.

I believe Robinsin's shot was interfered with by the parapet, if he didn't shoot through it.

As I told the FBI agent, a simple inspection of the parapet could rule this theory in or out.

I also ran all of the data I could through AI, and if anyone is interested, here is how that conversation went.

Grok

 

[Delldude]

For what it's worth, I have an update to my theory as it relates to this thread that and I have now shared it with the FBI via email.

You're kidding.

Prone position his forearm would have been adequate to keep the gun barrel unobstructed.....your first picture shows that.

 

[BULLDOG]

You're kidding.

Prone position his forearm would have been adequate to keep the gun barrel unobstructed.....your first picture shows that.

You should be ashamed. He's worked so hard to develop a perfectly good conspiracy theory, and you want to disrespect all that hard work by bringing reality into the conversation.

 

[Chuz Life]

You're kidding.

Prone position his forearm would have been adequate to keep the gun barrel unobstructed.....your first picture shows that.

The added yellow line shows what an 8 degree (minimum) downward angle would look like. The actual shot was most likely 10 degrees or higher.

Edit. Also, give me anything else that explains why a .30-06 didn't blow right through Charlie's neck.

 

[Delldude]

The added yellow line shows what an 8 degree (minimum) downward angle would look like. The actual shot was most likely 10 degrees or higher.

So what?
Totally within the realm of possibility.

 

[Chuz Life]

So what?
Totally within the realm of possibility.

So, what else explains a .30-06 not blowing right through his neck?

 

[BULLDOG]

So, what else explains a .30-06 not blowing right through his neck?

Do you know what "within the realm of possibility" means?

 

[Delldude]

So, what else explains a .30-06 not blowing right through his neck?

Losing energy, possibly fragmenting and lodging in the spine.

Your picture shows that tin, looks to be about six inches high at best. It's there to keep the gravel from blowing off.

 

[Chuz Life]

Losing energy, possibly fragmenting and lodging in the spine.

Your picture shows that tin, looks to be about six inches high at best. It's there to keep the gravel from blowing off.

Is it "within the realm of possibility" that the parapet affected the shot?

Yes or no?

I followed up my email with a phone call.

The agent I spoke with (Not Mr. Bohls) seemed open to the idea. Enough so that he said he would pass it along to the special agent in charge.

As I said in my first comment about this, all it would take is a close examination of that parapet to rule it either in or out. (That means I am open to it being ruled out. Doesn't it?)

As for fragmenting and losing energy. . .

That's exactly what the AI (shared chat) said too.

 

[Delldude]

Is it "within the realm of possibility" that the parapet affected the shot?

Yes or no?

No.

As I said in my first comment about this, all it would take is a close examination of that parapet to rule it either in or out.

Well your first picture shows no distortion of the metal, no scuffed paint, no hole.

Enough so that he said he would pass it along to the special agent in charge.

He was politely getting off the phone.

 

[Chuz Life]

No.

Well your first picture shows no distortion of the metal, no scuffed paint, no hole.


He was politely getting off the phone.

We don't even know if they have the spot marked correctly. Did they do any gsr testing on the parapet?

Who knows?

As for the images.

I disagree.

I do see things that do look like possible damage.

One of the odd things about the images, too, is how the angle of the shot entry doesn't seem to match where the evidence markers are on the roof. Given that camera angles can skew what we see, all we can do is speculate.

It would also help to know if Robinson took the shot left or right-handed.

 

[Delldude]

We don't even know if they have the spot marked correctly.

Based on body impressions in the gravel on the roof.

One of the odd things about the images, too, is how the angle of the shot entry doesn't seem to match where the evidence markers are on the roof.

Body impressions.

It would also help to know if Robinson took the shot left or right-handed.

The impressions would indicate a right handed shooter.

I do see things that do look like possible damage.

No bullet hole.....no entry impression or popped paint.

There's drone shots looking toward where he laid.....no bullet exit damage to the metal.

 

[Chuz Life]

Based on body impressions in the gravel on the roof.

Body impressions.

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The impressions would indicate a right handed shooter.

No bullet hole.....no entry impression or popped paint.

There's drone shots looking toward where he laid.....no bullet exit damage to the metal.

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No damage that we can see in these distant images. That is.

No damage that we can see,

Also, the apron would not have to be "shot through" to have affected the round.

 

[Chuz Life]

Based on body impressions in the gravel on the roof.

Body impressions.

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The impressions would indicate a right handed shooter.

No bullet hole.....no entry impression or popped paint.

There's drone shots looking toward where he laid.....no bullet exit damage to the metal.

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I will say this.

This image does refute my theory more than anything else.

I wish I had seen it sooner.

 

[Delldude]

No damage that we can see in these distant images

If you click the pic, then use your fingers to zoom.

Also, the apron would not have to be "shot through" to have affected the round.

First you were insinuating it went through to slow down the round.....now it didn't have to go through.....?

See why people are highly skeptical of these theories?