Help the Black community

[Asclepias]

Spoken like a true socialist. How about if the society they choose to help like you say to them that you want them to do, and/or rather it is your wishes for them to remain loyal in this way, ummm doesn't have their best interest at heart in the deal ?

How about if those people that you tell them to make sure and help in their choices made, well what if they use them like MC Hammer was used by those whom he thought needed his help, and what if they become the anchor around their necks because of what you have taught them in this socialistic manor ? Have you not learned anything about what has happened in the case where the feds had enabled and incentivized the poor to remain poor and dependent on them, and so is this the road you want your children on also ? Do you realize how many devils are waiting in the wings for your children to be told to help them, as they laugh all the way to the bank with your children's money afterwards, and then they never get out of the situation in which they had been in or remain in ?

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. I dont want them voting for someone specifically because it will benefit themselves at the exclusion of others. I want them to have a global view of how their decisions effect the world and not just their tiny little existence and space in it.

There is a reason people are incentivized to remain poor. They are easily duped when dependent. My responsibility is to impart that knowledge to my children and whomever else will listen. I teach my children to pass on that knowledge in action as well as in the spoken word. They already know of the pitfalls inherent in doing this but are built to handle it.

My post still applies... They need to become successful for themselves and their families, then if they want to choose a charity to support then so be it, but you seem to be manipulating them for a larger struggle, where they will have to use up almost every ounce of their energy & resources in this larger struggle that you have chosen for them. It's just like Obama where as people figured just because he was black, then he would be expected to fight in the larger struggle for blacks by using the power of the office to now lift them all up somehow, but it is a fools game because you must always look at an individuals character and not his or her color in the situation, and this in order to know what to do in concerns of good people, and not to empower bad people along with the good people in which is what looking at only color does. The same applies for everything in the world, where as you look for the good always, and you attach yourself to that good, and you help that good, but to base ones actions upon ones color or a race of people is simply foolish. That black surgeon recently that had spoken out against Obama's thinking or doing, well just look at how he was treated when he spoke the truth, is this what you want your kids to face in their lives ?

Its all about how you measure success. Am I really successful because I have money, a home, and a car? i don't think so. I think I need to touch other peoples lives and make them better in order to consider myself a success. Of course that includes getting to a point where financially I can do what I need to do. Anyone who thought the POTUS was going to be able to do anything much more than provide an image of Black success for the Black community must not be awake. His job is to help everyone not just Blacks. Taking that same theme of helping yourself before you help others applies to the struggle Black people go through in this country. However, I find that more often than not an advance for Black people benefits everyone in general because it opens doors. Check AA. I dont expect you to understand even a little about how irresponsible and self serving Carsons version of the "the truth" was. To me it just keeps alive the stereotype that Blacks are easily divided. One more negative image for the unaware to absorb subliminally and one more triumph for those that engineer the constant media blitz to tear down the Black community.

 

[Asclepias]

And how does this statement fit with your world view?

Excellent interpersonal skills start with the expectation that people are basically good, that most people end up exactly where they deserve to be, that people will let you stand on their shoulders if you deserve it, and that life is a journey about self improvement.

All those things are impossible to believe if you in your core think whites are racist against you and your failures are a function of their racism and not your behaviors. Do you have any concept of how corrupting that thinking is? Can you even acknowledge it might be crippling to an entire community?

I would disagree slightly with your definition of interpersonal skills. Excellent interpersonal skills start with the expectation that people are people. A mix of good and bad. Most people end up where they are for 2 reasons. The information they have and what they do with that information. I find that people that are qualified to teach me something tend to approach me with that offer once they find out I am seeking knowledge they have.

I dont know where you got the idea I think all whites are racist. i have several in my family right now. I agree that saying that white racism is the reason for failing and leaving it at that is harmful. I dont do that. I explain that white racism is in fact how we got here but it is incumbent upon us to recognize its effect on behaviors and implement a plan to change those behaviors. I detest people that lay down and give up once armed with knowledge. That cant be harmful at all unless you feel guilty being part of the white ethnicity that brought this about. Basically it sounds like you want me to exclude the truth because it bothers or casts a bad light on white society. i owe my children and my people more than i owe it to you to spare your feelings.

My people eh ? How come I don't get to talk like this concerning whites as being my people, and if I did it would drive your supposed (specific people) crazy now wouldn't it ? In fact you would warn your people & children to be against this type of thing now would you not ? Can't have them whites thinking that they are or should be united again now can we ? Who is my people to you, is it anyone in life that is the same color as you are ?

You dont get to talk like that because it would highlight the truth. I dont have a problem with any group of people having their clubs that celebrate their heritage. They should. However, lets not pretend that whites are in any danger of being racially oppressed and need to have white unity. Whites own the power structure, the legal structure, and the political structure. My people are those that suffer from the stereotypes promoted by the media, raped by the legal system, and disenfranchised by the political system. Most of them are of Black African or Hispanic descent.

 

[Tank]

But, what about the blacks that don't live in America, how come they are doing much worse?

Can you think of a excuse for them too?

 

[beagle9]

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. I dont want them voting for someone specifically because it will benefit themselves at the exclusion of others. I want them to have a global view of how their decisions effect the world and not just their tiny little existence and space in it.

There is a reason people are incentivized to remain poor. They are easily duped when dependent. My responsibility is to impart that knowledge to my children and whomever else will listen. I teach my children to pass on that knowledge in action as well as in the spoken word. They already know of the pitfalls inherent in doing this but are built to handle it.

My post still applies... They need to become successful for themselves and their families, then if they want to choose a charity to support then so be it, but you seem to be manipulating them for a larger struggle, where they will have to use up almost every ounce of their energy & resources in this larger struggle that you have chosen for them. It's just like Obama where as people figured just because he was black, then he would be expected to fight in the larger struggle for blacks by using the power of the office to now lift them all up somehow, but it is a fools game because you must always look at an individuals character and not his or her color in the situation, and this in order to know what to do in concerns of good people, and not to empower bad people along with the good people in which is what looking at only color does. The same applies for everything in the world, where as you look for the good always, and you attach yourself to that good, and you help that good, but to base ones actions upon ones color or a race of people is simply foolish. That black surgeon recently that had spoken out against Obama's thinking or doing, well just look at how he was treated when he spoke the truth, is this what you want your kids to face in their lives ?

Its all about how you measure success. Am I really successful because I have money, a home, and a car? i don't think so. I think I need to touch other peoples lives and make them better in order to consider myself a success. Of course that includes getting to a point where financially I can do what I need to do. Anyone who thought the POTUS was going to be able to do anything much more than provide an image of Black success for the Black community must not be awake. His job is to help everyone not just Blacks. Taking that same theme of helping yourself before you help others applies to the struggle Black people go through in this country. However, I find that more often than not an advance for Black people benefits everyone in general because it opens doors. Check AA. I dont expect you to understand even a little about how irresponsible and self serving Carsons version of the "the truth" was. To me it just keeps alive the stereotype that Blacks are easily divided. One more negative image for the unaware to absorb subliminally and one more triumph for those that engineer the constant media blitz to tear down the Black community.

Really now... By his interjection of words into different scenario's that had taken place lately, you would think he thought his job was not getting to the bottom of something when it happens, but rather to make sure the black in the situation was represented by him through his words spoken over and above the facts before they were known.

How does an advance for black people open doors for all ? You see, you still are stuck on this color thing and that is where you go wrong in life. How about an advance for Americans that will open the door for all Americans of all colors when this advance takes place ? Wouldn't this be best ?

 

[RKMBrown]

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. I dont want them voting for someone specifically because it will benefit themselves at the exclusion of others. I want them to have a global view of how their decisions effect the world and not just their tiny little existence and space in it.

There is a reason people are incentivized to remain poor. They are easily duped when dependent. My responsibility is to impart that knowledge to my children and whomever else will listen. I teach my children to pass on that knowledge in action as well as in the spoken word. They already know of the pitfalls inherent in doing this but are built to handle it.

My post still applies... They need to become successful for themselves and their families, then if they want to choose a charity to support then so be it, but you seem to be manipulating them for a larger struggle, where they will have to use up almost every ounce of their energy & resources in this larger struggle that you have chosen for them. It's just like Obama where as people figured just because he was black, then he would be expected to fight in the larger struggle for blacks by using the power of the office to now lift them all up somehow, but it is a fools game because you must always look at an individuals character and not his or her color in the situation, and this in order to know what to do in concerns of good people, and not to empower bad people along with the good people in which is what looking at only color does. The same applies for everything in the world, where as you look for the good always, and you attach yourself to that good, and you help that good, but to base ones actions upon ones color or a race of people is simply foolish. That black surgeon recently that had spoken out against Obama's thinking or doing, well just look at how he was treated when he spoke the truth, is this what you want your kids to face in their lives ?

Its all about how you measure success. Am I really successful because I have money, a home, and a car? i don't think so. I think I need to touch other peoples lives and make them better in order to consider myself a success. Of course that includes getting to a point where financially I can do what I need to do. Anyone who thought the POTUS was going to be able to do anything much more than provide an image of Black success for the Black community must not be awake. His job is to help everyone not just Blacks. Taking that same theme of helping yourself before you help others applies to the struggle Black people go through in this country. However, I find that more often than not an advance for Black people benefits everyone in general because it opens doors. Check AA. I dont expect you to understand even a little about how irresponsible and self serving Carsons version of the "the truth" was. To me it just keeps alive the stereotype that Blacks are easily divided. One more negative image for the unaware to absorb subliminally and one more triumph for those that engineer the constant media blitz to tear down the Black community.

Ding Ding! We have a winner. I just wish the first black president wasn't a drugged out looser from chicago with domestic terrorists as friends and communists as mentors.

 

[Tank]

A advance for black people is always something white people have already done.

Like first black president or first black in space ect.......

 

[beagle9]

I would disagree slightly with your definition of interpersonal skills. Excellent interpersonal skills start with the expectation that people are people. A mix of good and bad. Most people end up where they are for 2 reasons. The information they have and what they do with that information. I find that people that are qualified to teach me something tend to approach me with that offer once they find out I am seeking knowledge they have.

I dont know where you got the idea I think all whites are racist. i have several in my family right now. I agree that saying that white racism is the reason for failing and leaving it at that is harmful. I dont do that. I explain that white racism is in fact how we got here but it is incumbent upon us to recognize its effect on behaviors and implement a plan to change those behaviors. I detest people that lay down and give up once armed with knowledge. That cant be harmful at all unless you feel guilty being part of the white ethnicity that brought this about. Basically it sounds like you want me to exclude the truth because it bothers or casts a bad light on white society. i owe my children and my people more than i owe it to you to spare your feelings.

My people eh ? How come I don't get to talk like this concerning whites as being my people, and if I did it would drive your supposed (specific people) crazy now wouldn't it ? In fact you would warn your people & children to be against this type of thing now would you not ? Can't have them whites thinking that they are or should be united again now can we ? Who is my people to you, is it anyone in life that is the same color as you are ?

You dont get to talk like that because it would highlight the truth. I dont have a problem with any group of people having their clubs that celebrate their heritage. They should. However, lets not pretend that whites are in any danger of being racially oppressed and need to have white unity. Whites own the power structure, the legal structure, and the political structure. My people are those that suffer from the stereotypes promoted by the media, raped by the legal system, and disenfranchised by the political system. Most of them are of Black African or Hispanic descent.

It's so sad that you are stuck in this rut, because that is what it is, it's a rut that you are stuck in on this issue or subject in your life. Now you are as an Oak tree that has grown in this way, where as it would be impossible to get you to bend now or to see things differently in life, and worse you are transferring this burden over unto your children, and that is even more sad.

 

[Tank]

Have you guys not been around many black folks, don't you know when you're talking with a jive ass negro?

 

[Asclepias]

My post still applies... They need to become successful for themselves and their families, then if they want to choose a charity to support then so be it, but you seem to be manipulating them for a larger struggle, where they will have to use up almost every ounce of their energy & resources in this larger struggle that you have chosen for them. It's just like Obama where as people figured just because he was black, then he would be expected to fight in the larger struggle for blacks by using the power of the office to now lift them all up somehow, but it is a fools game because you must always look at an individuals character and not his or her color in the situation, and this in order to know what to do in concerns of good people, and not to empower bad people along with the good people in which is what looking at only color does. The same applies for everything in the world, where as you look for the good always, and you attach yourself to that good, and you help that good, but to base ones actions upon ones color or a race of people is simply foolish. That black surgeon recently that had spoken out against Obama's thinking or doing, well just look at how he was treated when he spoke the truth, is this what you want your kids to face in their lives ?

Its all about how you measure success. Am I really successful because I have money, a home, and a car? i don't think so. I think I need to touch other peoples lives and make them better in order to consider myself a success. Of course that includes getting to a point where financially I can do what I need to do. Anyone who thought the POTUS was going to be able to do anything much more than provide an image of Black success for the Black community must not be awake. His job is to help everyone not just Blacks. Taking that same theme of helping yourself before you help others applies to the struggle Black people go through in this country. However, I find that more often than not an advance for Black people benefits everyone in general because it opens doors. Check AA. I dont expect you to understand even a little about how irresponsible and self serving Carsons version of the "the truth" was. To me it just keeps alive the stereotype that Blacks are easily divided. One more negative image for the unaware to absorb subliminally and one more triumph for those that engineer the constant media blitz to tear down the Black community.

Really now... By his interjection of words into different scenario's that had taken place lately, you would think he thought his job was not getting to the bottom of something when it happens, but rather to make sure the black in the situation was represented by him through his words spoken over and above the facts before they were known.

How does an advance for black people open doors for all ? You see, you still are stuck on this color thing and that is where you go wrong in life. How about an advance for Americans that will open the door for all Americans of all colors when this advance takes place ? Wouldn't this be best ?

I personally dont feel what he did was wrong. He could relate so he spoke out. It was an injustice that needed to be addressed and one that Black people are all acquainted with. You get profiled and something bad ends up happening. I dont remember him saying anything inaccurate. Do you?

Civil Rights struggle led by African American's helped all Americans. AA was supposedly and advance for Blacks to gain equal footing into the job market. I turns out white woman and Asians benefit the most. Can you name one advance for Americans not started by Black people that benefited Blacks?

 

[RKMBrown]

My people eh ? How come I don't get to talk like this concerning whites as being my people, and if I did it would drive your supposed (specific people) crazy now wouldn't it ? In fact you would warn your people & children to be against this type of thing now would you not ? Can't have them whites thinking that they are or should be united again now can we ? Who is my people to you, is it anyone in life that is the same color as you are ?

You dont get to talk like that because it would highlight the truth. I dont have a problem with any group of people having their clubs that celebrate their heritage. They should. However, lets not pretend that whites are in any danger of being racially oppressed and need to have white unity. Whites own the power structure, the legal structure, and the political structure. My people are those that suffer from the stereotypes promoted by the media, raped by the legal system, and disenfranchised by the political system. Most of them are of Black African or Hispanic descent.

It's so sad that you are stuck in this rut, because that is what it is, it's a rut that you are stuck in on this issue or subject in your life. Now you are as an Oak tree that has grown in this way, where as it would be impossible to get you to bend now or to see things differently in life, and worse you are transferring this burden over unto your children, and that is even more sad.

Talking about recent history is not being stuck in a rut. Hell we're still talking about the shit the North did to the South round here.

 

[Asclepias]

My people eh ? How come I don't get to talk like this concerning whites as being my people, and if I did it would drive your supposed (specific people) crazy now wouldn't it ? In fact you would warn your people & children to be against this type of thing now would you not ? Can't have them whites thinking that they are or should be united again now can we ? Who is my people to you, is it anyone in life that is the same color as you are ?

You dont get to talk like that because it would highlight the truth. I dont have a problem with any group of people having their clubs that celebrate their heritage. They should. However, lets not pretend that whites are in any danger of being racially oppressed and need to have white unity. Whites own the power structure, the legal structure, and the political structure. My people are those that suffer from the stereotypes promoted by the media, raped by the legal system, and disenfranchised by the political system. Most of them are of Black African or Hispanic descent.

It's so sad that you are stuck in this rut, because that is what it is, it's a rut that you are stuck in on this issue or subject in your life. Now you are as an Oak tree that has grown in this way, where as it would be impossible to get you to bend now or to see things differently in life, and worse you are transferring this burden over unto your children, and that is even more sad.

What makes you feel I am stuck in a rut? Wouldnt that mean I've already closed my mind to new ideas? i am a life long student. I learn new things that have an effect on my opinions everyday. I keep an open mind because you never know where you may receive knowledge from. If you can provide me some proof that what I currently know is false please make it available.

 

[beagle9]

You dont get to talk like that because it would highlight the truth. I dont have a problem with any group of people having their clubs that celebrate their heritage. They should. However, lets not pretend that whites are in any danger of being racially oppressed and need to have white unity. Whites own the power structure, the legal structure, and the political structure. My people are those that suffer from the stereotypes promoted by the media, raped by the legal system, and disenfranchised by the political system. Most of them are of Black African or Hispanic descent.

It's so sad that you are stuck in this rut, because that is what it is, it's a rut that you are stuck in on this issue or subject in your life. Now you are as an Oak tree that has grown in this way, where as it would be impossible to get you to bend now or to see things differently in life, and worse you are transferring this burden over unto your children, and that is even more sad.

What makes you feel I am stuck in a rut? Wouldnt that mean I've already closed my mind to new ideas? i am a life long student. I learn new things that have an effect on my opinions everyday. I keep an open mind because you never know where you may receive knowledge from. If you can provide me some proof that what I currently know is false please make it available.

Your obsession with skin color is a false way of thinking for starters, and you know this because you can never look at a group of people as being good, bad, oppressed equally for no reason, except to base it upon their color in a foolish way, and on their intelligence, their ideology and/or etc. You can't base it all upon their color in life instead of it being based upon their minds, culture, their actions, their religion, their beliefs, their character and so on and so forth these days especially,. In fact this is what you don't want the whites doing, but it is Ok for you all to do it eh (stick together) ? If anything the good whites have been the biggest fools in all of this to date, because they have bought into this foolishness hook line and sinker.

 

[Asclepias]

It's so sad that you are stuck in this rut, because that is what it is, it's a rut that you are stuck in on this issue or subject in your life. Now you are as an Oak tree that has grown in this way, where as it would be impossible to get you to bend now or to see things differently in life, and worse you are transferring this burden over unto your children, and that is even more sad.

What makes you feel I am stuck in a rut? Wouldnt that mean I've already closed my mind to new ideas? i am a life long student. I learn new things that have an effect on my opinions everyday. I keep an open mind because you never know where you may receive knowledge from. If you can provide me some proof that what I currently know is false please make it available.

Your obsession with skin color is a false way of thinking for starters, and you know this because you can never look at a group of people as being good, bad, oppressed equally for no reason, except to base it upon their color in a foolish way, and on their intelligence, their ideology and/or etc. You can't base it all upon their color in life instead of it being based upon their minds, culture, their actions, their religion, their beliefs, their character and so on and so forth these days especially,. In fact this is what you don't want the whites doing, but it is Ok for you all to do it eh (stick together) ? If anything the good whites have been the biggest fools in all of this to date, because they have bought into this foolishness hook line and sinker.

Why do you feel its an obsession? What do you mean by false way of thinking? I think of myself as a Black man in a society programmed to look down on me in one way or another. Until you can experience that I don't think you can comprehend my daily existence enough to say its false. I dont think you get that I don't have a realistic choice except to look at life from the perspective of me being a Black man. I cant change my last name, dress up differently, move to another city to start over, or alter my skin color in anyway. Its the first thing people see about me before I open my mouth. I'm already prejudged unless there is a conscious effort on that strangers part not to do it. To say that is not reality is naive. I dont understand your line about good whites. What do you mean by them being fooled? My white friends know exactly how I feel and they are still my friends.

 

[Tank]

Awww poor black guy, I wish I could set you free back in Africa so you could run around butt naked with you're people

 

[beagle9]

What makes you feel I am stuck in a rut? Wouldnt that mean I've already closed my mind to new ideas? i am a life long student. I learn new things that have an effect on my opinions everyday. I keep an open mind because you never know where you may receive knowledge from. If you can provide me some proof that what I currently know is false please make it available.

Your obsession with skin color is a false way of thinking for starters, and you know this because you can never look at a group of people as being good, bad, oppressed equally for no reason, except to base it upon their color in a foolish way, and on their intelligence, their ideology and/or etc. You can't base it all upon their color in life instead of it being based upon their minds, culture, their actions, their religion, their beliefs, their character and so on and so forth these days especially,. In fact this is what you don't want the whites doing, but it is Ok for you all to do it eh (stick together) ? If anything the good whites have been the biggest fools in all of this to date, because they have bought into this foolishness hook line and sinker.

Why do you feel its an obsession? What do you mean by false way of thinking? I think of myself as a Black man in a society programmed to look down on me in one way or another. Until you can experience that I don't think you can comprehend my daily existence enough to say its false. I dont think you get that I don't have a realistic choice except to look at life from the perspective of me being a Black man. I cant change my last name, dress up differently, move to another city to start over, or alter my skin color in anyway. Its the first thing people see about me before I open my mouth. I'm already prejudged unless there is a conscious effort on that strangers part not to do it. To say that is not reality is naive. I dont understand your line about good whites. What do you mean by them being fooled? My white friends know exactly how I feel and they are still my friends.

Do they really know how you feel ? If so would they still be your friends ? One just wonders.

Good whites ? Yes I refer to the good whites in representation of, because I don't represent the bad whites or any other bad, and this especially in regards to any of their skin colors in life. I always look a little bit deeper than a mans skin color, and I mean always.

 

[Asclepias]

Your obsession with skin color is a false way of thinking for starters, and you know this because you can never look at a group of people as being good, bad, oppressed equally for no reason, except to base it upon their color in a foolish way, and on their intelligence, their ideology and/or etc. You can't base it all upon their color in life instead of it being based upon their minds, culture, their actions, their religion, their beliefs, their character and so on and so forth these days especially,. In fact this is what you don't want the whites doing, but it is Ok for you all to do it eh (stick together) ? If anything the good whites have been the biggest fools in all of this to date, because they have bought into this foolishness hook line and sinker.

Why do you feel its an obsession? What do you mean by false way of thinking? I think of myself as a Black man in a society programmed to look down on me in one way or another. Until you can experience that I don't think you can comprehend my daily existence enough to say its false. I dont think you get that I don't have a realistic choice except to look at life from the perspective of me being a Black man. I cant change my last name, dress up differently, move to another city to start over, or alter my skin color in anyway. Its the first thing people see about me before I open my mouth. I'm already prejudged unless there is a conscious effort on that strangers part not to do it. To say that is not reality is naive. I dont understand your line about good whites. What do you mean by them being fooled? My white friends know exactly how I feel and they are still my friends.

Do they really know how you feel ? If so would they still be your friends ? One just wonders.

Good whites ? Yes I refer to the good whites in representation of, because I don't represent the bad whites or any other bad, and this especially in regards to any of their skin colors in life. I always look a little bit deeper than a mans skin color, and I mean always.

Yes they know exactly how I feel. I make no bones about my position. If someone doesnt understand my stance then I cant do much about that. My friends have actually thanked me for pointing out things they couldn't see simply because they were white. Think of it like this. You and I are walking down a dirt road. Every now and then I say ouch. You ask me why I keep doing that and I say its because of the rocks in the road. You remark you cant feel them and I point out its because i'm walking barefoot and you have on shoes.

You sound like the rare person who actually looks deeper than skin color. It takes a determined focused individual to do that even if color is not the issue. A mentor of mine once told me that there are three versions of reality. My view, your view, and the video tapes view. Throw color in that mix and you can get 2 starkly different points of view from the human element.

 

[Tank]

My friends have actually thanked me for pointing out things they couldn't see simply because they were white.

Hey were they able to point out things you couldn't see simply because you are black?

 

[Sactowndog]

Sounds like your sister and your family are doing an excellent job. Does your sister tell the child that he doesnt have a cleft pallet, or that he wont be short, or that he will not have scars as a result of his surgeries? i'm going to guess no. She probably lets him know what he has to deal with and how to do so without feeling sorry for himself. I do the same. I dont infuse negative attitudes. I tell them the truth and how to deal with it. I think the worse thing you can do is handicap your children by lying to them. It always comes back and will bite you in the end.

We don't talk about it at all. The points are self evident and the challanges don't need to be discussed. Discussing it only reinforces the belief it is an obstacle that cant he overcome. That point is the point you are missing. The only person on this board focused on th challanges of your blackness is you! The rest of us only care what kind of person you are not the color of your skin. Have some faith that others will correct the negative behaviors of others if you don't get in the way by being an ass.

Oh by the way, the consequences of being very short are as significant if not more significant than being black.

You can somewhat get away with that in his case. Here is the problem. What happens when that butt wipe comes up to him and starts downgrading him because of his dis-abilities? What if there is a national ad campaign that begins portraying his particular issues in a negative light? That wont happen in his case for the most part but if it did you now have a situation where the images in his mind are changed about his self worth and could be destroyed by the images he sees everyday on TV. Are you following me on this?

I will teach him what is already learning to do which is disarm the butt wipe with humor and class. (BTW the same thing that happens in Black/Black or White/White interactions and happens all the time in the locker room). So what if their is a national campaign? It reflects more poorly on the advertiser than him. Do you really think the majority of us are so stupid that we can't discern others being idiots...

Their is only one image they need to hold and that is if they treat all people with trust and respect and they focus on accepting and improving their faults the rest will work out. Are there idiots out there who will act derogatorily in a racist (or whatever anti short is called) manner. Certainly. But that is only an opportunity to demonstrate to the rest of us that you are a class individual with the social skills to deal with it gracefully. Are you following me?

BTW thanks for the frank discussion.

 

[Sactowndog]

You tend to find that out when you meet famous or accomplished people. They normally have excellent interpersonal skills and know how to delegate. His skills are in engaging people more than coding i would bet. Its good to feel comfortable in your own skin and family is always first.

And how does this statement fit with your world view?

Excellent interpersonal skills start with the expectation that people are basically good, that most people end up exactly where they deserve to be, that people will let you stand on their shoulders if you deserve it, and that life is a journey about self improvement.

All those things are impossible to believe if you in your core think whites are racist against you and your failures are a function of their racism and not your behaviors. Do you have any concept of how corrupting that thinking is? Can you even acknowledge it might be crippling to an entire community?

I would disagree slightly with your definition of interpersonal skills. Excellent interpersonal skills start with the expectation that people are people. A mix of good and bad. Most people end up where they are for 2 reasons. The information they have and what they do with that information. I find that people that are qualified to teach me something tend to approach me with that offer once they find out I am seeking knowledge they have.

I dont know where you got the idea I think all whites are racist. i have several in my family right now. I agree that saying that white racism is the reason for failing and leaving it at that is harmful. I dont do that. I explain that white racism is in fact how we got here but it is incumbent upon us to recognize its effect on behaviors and implement a plan to change those behaviors. I detest people that lay down and give up once armed with knowledge. That cant be harmful at all unless you feel guilty being part of the white ethnicity that brought this about. Basically it sounds like you want me to exclude the truth because it bothers or casts a bad light on white society. i owe my children and my people more than i owe it to you to spare your feelings.

Trust me your not hurting my feelings one bit. Has past racism had an impact. Sure I can buy that. But the bigger problem today is black racism. I want you to exclude "the truth" because focusing on it does nothing to help you or your children progress in this society. But it is clear you are not wiling to consider that point.

 

[Sactowndog]

Why do you feel its an obsession? What do you mean by false way of thinking? I think of myself as a Black man in a society programmed to look down on me in one way or another. Until you can experience that I don't think you can comprehend my daily existence enough to say its false. I dont think you get that I don't have a realistic choice except to look at life from the perspective of me being a Black man. I cant change my last name, dress up differently, move to another city to start over, or alter my skin color in anyway. Its the first thing people see about me before I open my mouth. I'm already prejudged unless there is a conscious effort on that strangers part not to do it. To say that is not reality is naive. I dont understand your line about good whites. What do you mean by them being fooled? My white friends know exactly how I feel and they are still my friends.

You are actually one of the most racist people I have ever had a discussion with. I put you right up there with some of the red necks that live around here. If people (white I presume) are looking down on you it isn't because you are black it is because you are so damn insulting to assume they are incapable of looking past your skin color. I find you off putting just on the message board. God forbid I had to work with you as a co-worker.