“Hell yes we are going to take your AR-15”

[toobfreak]

the base problem is, they go for things that won't give them the desired result. instead of backing up to find out what will, the left gets emotional on the gun issue and widens their definitions to the point where a semi-automatic rifle is now a WMD.

stop making things they are not would be a first step in resolving these issues.

now back to the base problem - when banning this gun doesn't work, they will go for the next. when that doesn't work, the next. never at any point will they stop to go "shit, this isn't working, let's try something else" and that is pretty much the textbook definition of stupid.

Australia!!!!

iceberg you think the folks in Australia want back their guns? LOL

They need them to hunt Wallabies

yea, not trolling at all.

btw - did you report me? i need to know cause i hate living on this borrowed time.

Poor tard can’t take a joke

We take you, don't we?

 

[iceberg]

Australia!!!!

iceberg you think the folks in Australia want back their guns? LOL

They need them to hunt Wallabies

yea, not trolling at all.

btw - did you report me? i need to know cause i hate living on this borrowed time.

Poor tard can’t take a joke

We take you, don't we?

please.

take him.

take him far far away.

i'll pay half.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The Puckle gun could fire 9 shots per minute. I'm not seeing much comparison to the rate of fire for modern guns.

Like always, you missed the ******* point--that the founders contemplated advancements in technology and still we have the 2nd.

Next.

.

And that brings us back to fully automatic weapons. They are severely regulated yet nothing in the constitution prevents that. Why would it be perfectly legal to regulate fully automatic weapons, but not AR 15s

Because it's not constitutional to regulate any firearms, but we tolerate it, for now. We will not tolerate an AR ban. You fuckers may just wake the sleeping giant if you try, and it will be legal for minors to walk the streets with rocket launchers.

Pray your idiot leaders don't attempt it.

.

More like a sleeping pygmy. he vast majority of Americans, including most NRA members want something done. The few NRA gun nuts don't want anything done. You aren't as big as you have been told you are.

and you certainly don't know anything about guns like you pretend to do.

Geez. That old standby comeback. There are a lot of Guns I don't know anything about made by many manufacturers around the world. All types and sizes. But the AR Family isn't one of them. Anyone that has spent at least 180 days (received a DD-214) has had to handle at least one of the AR family. And if you handled one, you handled them all at a higher proficiency than over 80% of the population. So just throwing that "You don't know anything about guns" so willy nilly just shows how stupid and desperate your argument really is. Get new material.

 

[rightwinger]

when these fks say anything about well what about Australia, I just say, thank you, exactly the reason your shit isn't wanted.

Australia is much safer than we are

 

[iceberg]

Like always, you missed the ******* point--that the founders contemplated advancements in technology and still we have the 2nd.

Next.

.

And that brings us back to fully automatic weapons. They are severely regulated yet nothing in the constitution prevents that. Why would it be perfectly legal to regulate fully automatic weapons, but not AR 15s

Because it's not constitutional to regulate any firearms, but we tolerate it, for now. We will not tolerate an AR ban. You fuckers may just wake the sleeping giant if you try, and it will be legal for minors to walk the streets with rocket launchers.

Pray your idiot leaders don't attempt it.

.

More like a sleeping pygmy. he vast majority of Americans, including most NRA members want something done. The few NRA gun nuts don't want anything done. You aren't as big as you have been told you are.

and you certainly don't know anything about guns like you pretend to do.

Geez. That old standby comeback. There are a lot of Guns I don't know anything about made by many manufacturers around the world. All types and sizes. But the AR Family isn't one of them. Anyone that has spent at least 180 days (received a DD-214) has had to handle at least one of the AR family. And if you handled one, you handled them all at a higher proficiency than over 80% of the population. So just throwing that "You don't know anything about guns" so willy nilly just shows how stupid and desperate your argument really is. Get new material.

pretty sure i wasn't talking to you.

however, to reference you point, if you want different answers, try different approaches. to act surprised you get the same stupid answer to the same stupid question simply means you don't even understand your own question.

now bugger off.

 

[rightwinger]

Australia!!!!

iceberg you think the folks in Australia want back their guns? LOL

They need them to hunt Wallabies

yea, not trolling at all.

btw - did you report me? i need to know cause i hate living on this borrowed time.

Poor tard can’t take a joke

They can’t hunt Wallabies you moron
They are out of season

this is also off-topic, you topic policeman you.

can't take it when someone does to you what you do with 99.9% of your posts.

Can I get you a tissue?

 

[iceberg]

iceberg you think the folks in Australia want back their guns? LOL

They need them to hunt Wallabies

yea, not trolling at all.

btw - did you report me? i need to know cause i hate living on this borrowed time.

Poor tard can’t take a joke

They can’t hunt Wallabies you moron
They are out of season

this is also off-topic, you topic policeman you.

can't take it when someone does to you what you do with 99.9% of your posts.

Can I get you a tissue?

no. not a troll at all.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The constitution doesn't seem to care how many times you have to pull the trigger. If I'm wrong, perhaps you could point out which clause mentions that.

What it does do is forbid infringement. We tolerate some infringement for now. Try anything and it will backfire. Pun intended.

..

Great. It's been determined that regulation, even to the extent that fully automatic weapons are regulated, is not infringement.

great. we'll start regulating the vote next and the press.

i mean, the left is saying if trump redirects military funds, the left will do the same for their causes so hell, you wanna start regulating "rights" to fit your emotional needs, then its' only fair the right can do the same to match theirs.

but i'm sure for you this is not the same. it never is with you.

Nothing is changing. Regulating guns has always been constitutional. Just because we haven't been doing it as much doesn't mean we can't.

OH LOOK - NOT THE SAME!!! (stevie wonder saw your shit coming here) and great. just because we've not regulated voting and "free speech" doesn't mean we can't.

i gotcha boo. let's keep doing "hold my beer" and saying "**** IT" to due process so you can get your way. once we lose due process, do you honestly think things will stop there? we're WAY BEYOND gun control at this point and simply putting ourselves into a bent-over state hoping our ever growing government won't come at me next.

Actually, we do regulate Voting. And we do regulate Free Speech. We have rules to prevent strawman voting, cheating at the polls, and much, much more. And you are not free to yell "Fire" in a crowded auditorium unless there really IS a fire. So there are some regulations in Voting and Free Speech. Your own argument says that we also can regulate firearms. In fact, we do regulate firearms and have since the day after firearms were invented. The Communities had to regulate rock throwing in public long before firearms. Uuuggg would constantly get out of hand with his throwing of his rocks and the community had to restrict him or throw him out which is also a method of regulation.

 

[iceberg]

What it does do is forbid infringement. We tolerate some infringement for now. Try anything and it will backfire. Pun intended.

..

Great. It's been determined that regulation, even to the extent that fully automatic weapons are regulated, is not infringement.

great. we'll start regulating the vote next and the press.

i mean, the left is saying if trump redirects military funds, the left will do the same for their causes so hell, you wanna start regulating "rights" to fit your emotional needs, then its' only fair the right can do the same to match theirs.

but i'm sure for you this is not the same. it never is with you.

Nothing is changing. Regulating guns has always been constitutional. Just because we haven't been doing it as much doesn't mean we can't.

OH LOOK - NOT THE SAME!!! (stevie wonder saw your shit coming here) and great. just because we've not regulated voting and "free speech" doesn't mean we can't.

i gotcha boo. let's keep doing "hold my beer" and saying "**** IT" to due process so you can get your way. once we lose due process, do you honestly think things will stop there? we're WAY BEYOND gun control at this point and simply putting ourselves into a bent-over state hoping our ever growing government won't come at me next.

Actually, we do regulate Voting. And we do regulate Free Speech. We have rules to prevent strawman voting, cheating at the polls, and much, much more. And you are not free to yell "Fire" in a crowded auditorium unless there really IS a fire. So there are some regulations in Voting and Free Speech. Your own argument says that we also can regulate firearms. In fact, we do regulate firearms and have since the day after firearms were invented. The Communities had to regulate rock throwing in public long before firearms. Uuuggg would constantly get out of hand with his throwing of his rocks and the community had to restrict him or throw him out which is also a method of regulation.

<insert apathy to your shit here>

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Make the rules ?

Yep....make the rules.

What rules will a gun owner make?

if you sit down and talk rationally, not END OF TIMES, you'd likely find a lot more cooperation with gun owners.

you = left/anti-gunners in the following:

you can't name a single NRA member who has participated in a mass shooting, yet the left demonizes the NRA. how does that make sense?

you can't come up with laws to regulate an AR and define what characteristics you want banned, supposedly in the name of stopping mass shootings, but you can't equate a single change suggested to stopping any known shooting to date. how does that make sense?

since you can't define the characteristics of what you want banned, you widen the scope of what you want banned/controlled. how does this make sense?

and now we want to simply say PSYCHO and take guns away, bypassing due process and the very foundation of our government / society we've spent 250 years creating. once we find ONE reason to do this, we domino to others and everything we've built will certainly change, but you're giving the gov total control of our lives now and have no recourse because we sacrificed EVERYTHING because you thought it would ONLY apply to what you wanted it to. since that has NEVER historically happened, how does that make sense?

so - i'll ask in return, would you trust someone who won't work to understand YOU but keeps taking things away from you even though you never did anything wrong? given that is how the gun owners see the left (and in fact what they are doing) why should they sit down and talk with you and trust you'll stop where agreed?

you/the left hasn't yet. i strongly recall the whole WE JUST WANT THIS ONE FLAG REMOVED and look how much further that went.

that is a prime example of the rest of our rights domino'ing.

so rest assured i'm way beyond gun control at this point and simply protecting due process, regardless of what they use to come after it as justification.

OK

If you want characteristics to define an assault weapon, how about rate of fire and magazine capacity?

and what would that be?

for fire rate, all semi-automatics fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, so this is not unique to the AR15. can you keep this to the AR now or will you now say all semi-automatic guns need to be regulated?

if you can keep this JUST to the AR we can keep talking. if you expand your list, then this is why the gun crowd walks away from discussion.

I have covered this many times in the past and don't feel the undying need to cover it again. The AR was designed to kill people fast, efficient and not one ounce of design or build was used for cosmetics unless they could figure out how to get a Lip Gloss to launch 40mm Grenades.

When the 2nd amendment and the 1934 Firearms Act were written, there was nothing like the AR family in existence and wouldn't be in the civilian world for the next almost 40 years. Stoner made quite a breakthrough that all Military Rifles of War are judged by today and will be even for the next 50 years. The AR is designed as a Weapon of War, plain and simple. And it doesn't matter which model you are firing.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Great. It's been determined that regulation, even to the extent that fully automatic weapons are regulated, is not infringement.

great. we'll start regulating the vote next and the press.

i mean, the left is saying if trump redirects military funds, the left will do the same for their causes so hell, you wanna start regulating "rights" to fit your emotional needs, then its' only fair the right can do the same to match theirs.

but i'm sure for you this is not the same. it never is with you.

Nothing is changing. Regulating guns has always been constitutional. Just because we haven't been doing it as much doesn't mean we can't.

OH LOOK - NOT THE SAME!!! (stevie wonder saw your shit coming here) and great. just because we've not regulated voting and "free speech" doesn't mean we can't.

i gotcha boo. let's keep doing "hold my beer" and saying "**** IT" to due process so you can get your way. once we lose due process, do you honestly think things will stop there? we're WAY BEYOND gun control at this point and simply putting ourselves into a bent-over state hoping our ever growing government won't come at me next.

Actually, we do regulate Voting. And we do regulate Free Speech. We have rules to prevent strawman voting, cheating at the polls, and much, much more. And you are not free to yell "Fire" in a crowded auditorium unless there really IS a fire. So there are some regulations in Voting and Free Speech. Your own argument says that we also can regulate firearms. In fact, we do regulate firearms and have since the day after firearms were invented. The Communities had to regulate rock throwing in public long before firearms. Uuuggg would constantly get out of hand with his throwing of his rocks and the community had to restrict him or throw him out which is also a method of regulation.

<insert apathy to your shit here>

Insert your prize here

 

[jc456]

Like always, you missed the ******* point--that the founders contemplated advancements in technology and still we have the 2nd.

Next.

.

And that brings us back to fully automatic weapons. They are severely regulated yet nothing in the constitution prevents that. Why would it be perfectly legal to regulate fully automatic weapons, but not AR 15s

Because it's not constitutional to regulate any firearms, but we tolerate it, for now. We will not tolerate an AR ban. You fuckers may just wake the sleeping giant if you try, and it will be legal for minors to walk the streets with rocket launchers.

Pray your idiot leaders don't attempt it.

.

More like a sleeping pygmy. he vast majority of Americans, including most NRA members want something done. The few NRA gun nuts don't want anything done. You aren't as big as you have been told you are.

and you certainly don't know anything about guns like you pretend to do.

Geez. That old standby comeback. There are a lot of Guns I don't know anything about made by many manufacturers around the world. All types and sizes. But the AR Family isn't one of them. Anyone that has spent at least 180 days (received a DD-214) has had to handle at least one of the AR family. And if you handled one, you handled them all at a higher proficiency than over 80% of the population. So just throwing that "You don't know anything about guns" so willy nilly just shows how stupid and desperate your argument really is. Get new material.

you mean Beto's argument right? cause you just told him he's a stupid fk.

Still doesn't matter, start with one and end with them all. that is the demoRat way. we weren't fking born yesterday. concessions leads to more concessions. you failed to read my previous post.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I’m building a drone like the ones the Iranians used to bomb the Saudi oil fields. And I’m selling them. No background checks.

And like employers take fake ids from illegals, I can’t help it that the person had a fake Id. Not their fault, not my fault when I accidentally sell one to al quida.

Th us government has them so why can’t I?

So, you are building/selling bomb-capable drones? How can I get one?

So you get my point then? The US Military has them and you want to be just as armed as they are? You people are insane.

the US military doesn't use the AR15.

Oh, stop this nonsense. They use the AR-15 Model 604. But they are stamped with M-16A-4 before it's delivered to comply with the Military identifying program.

 

[toobfreak]

when these fks say anything about well what about Australia, I just say, thank you, exactly the reason your shit isn't wanted.

Australia is much safer than we are

Yes, because they have more people like THIS and less people like YOU.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

So which is it this week, snowflakes? Are you sticking to your lie that Democrats are NOT coming for our guns, or have you accepted what Betot revealed publicly?

Not ALL guns

Just guns you can’t be trusted with

and you wonder why i call you a troll. this says NOTHING about the issue and is just getting shots in. like i said, i get into it also, bad me and i'm working on it. but when all you do is this drive-by snarking, what are your real goals in here? snark off, or try to discuss issues like an adult?

It is the issue

AR type weapons with large capacity magazines are the weapon of choice for mass killings. It is becoming obvious that those weapons can no longer be tolerated

Now, stop trolling

trolling is a refusal to engage in serious discussion but instead engaging in short term snark and ever-changing definitions for the goal of looking for reactions from people. so far that is you to a T.

you still have not defined just the AR.

i also asked you to focus on firing rate and said, IN THAT POST EVEN, you'd refuse to do so and instead jump around from topic to topic screaming nonsense.

look. i win again.

You win nothing. You keep reusing the same tired crap over and over. And you refuse to find some form of compromise while demanding that everyone else bend to your demands. We are compromising. Notice, that the majority of the ones you call "Gun Grabbers" don't want to actually take the guns. We only wish to regulate the guns. Not the same thing. But you demand we surrender to your wishes. And when we don't totally agree with you, we are trolls and gunngrabbers. Okay, fine. But you already received your daily allotment prize for being a fruitcake and it's only one to a customer per day.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Ask your question.

i did. you chose to hit rather than answer. but hey - if you look back 2 posts you'll see i plainly asked:

"do you or do you not see forced gun control and red flags as a huge opening to losing "due process"?"

so there. your question.

Are you referring to #484 where I clearly answered your question dumb ass?
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and exactly how does:

"Nope. I'm simply pointing out how you are wrong. I'm laughing at the absurd things you post."

answer the question on how you feel about losing due process for a singular gain?

The first word. NOPE.

so you don't see red flag laws as bypassing due process? then as a follow up it would stand to reason you don't see them bypassing due process for "other" issues as they come along.

am i correct in comprehending your overly verbose response?

A Family member nor a LAW can just take your guns. It must be done by court order. And even though your guns are temporarily removed (they can be removed to a relatives or the cop arsenal) you have the right to face your accuser. And then if it ends up that you are NOT a threat to society your guns will be returned. And woh is the poor smuck that stood in front of that Judge and lied his ass off in the first place. Judges don't have much of a sense of humor at that point.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

If it is about lowering numbers, then why are you going after something which doesn't account for over 99% of all gun murders? Yet calling them WMDs? That is worse than stupid.

You respect the 2nd Amend., but want to **** the Founding Fathers who wrote it. Got cha.
And the "slippery slope" isn't the presence of guns, it is the violent, desperate, ignorant society your Progressivism has created with no value to human life which has created the slippery slope. You have yet to prove that disarming law-abiding peaceful citizens will have any real impact on crime or violence. I have a better idea: Let's round up all the whackjob leftist idiots in this country and put them in FEMA camps away from normal society first and restore constitutional values to the nation and raise our young in a healthy, moral environment and see if that doesn't work first.

First, tell me where I can buy a weapon that can take out 1000 people with one pull of the trigger? You smoke much drugs?

We just don't want everyone/anyone having that kind of killing power. Like the Vegas Shooter. No one should be able to have that kind of firepower. If AR15's are deemed too much firepower for any tom dick or harry to have, I'll be ok with that. I don't know much about the AR15. Or bump stocks or any of that shit. I hear NYC makes a GAYR 15. Doesn't hold as many rounds. Maybe you can have one of those. LOL.

Yea, **** what the founding fathers said. I mean, I agree with the second amendment but if "the right to bare arms" ends up meaning a rampage a day, something has to be done.

Oh and kiss my ass with that progressivism bullshit. You guys can spin anything and you'll tie the most right wing radical to us and never accept blame for any of the crazies when most of them are on your side. Like the guy who killed the abortion doctor. Bill O'Reilly got him worked up by calling him Tiller the Baby Killer.

If you are referring to abortion, I hardly think that's why these crazy white men are shooting up America. We need to figure out what's making white men so crazy. Hell they're scarier than ISIS.

Why do I have to first tell you where you can get a gun that will kill 1000 people with one pull of the trigger. If the government has one, should every dick like you be able to own one? You guys are really ******* retarded.

except i can do the same with almost any semi-automatic rifle.

what is "retarded" is you can't see that or comprehend it, so you/the left simply widens what you want banned cause you can't define it. it's a pure reactionary move that never works.

we had them banned at one point, DID GUN CRIMES GO DOWN?

I didn't say it's a cure all. We don't even blink when someone takes a handgun and commits a crime. Par for the course. Shit happens. What are you gonna do. I get that. No one said any of these regulations would be a cure all. But, maybe some of these guys wouldn't have gotten their hands on guns if we did better background checks. And maybe if the Vegas Shooter couldn't get his hands on such powerful weapons, a lot more people would be alive today. We can't let every man and woman in America have the kind of power a soldier has. Name one other country that does this? And we have more citizens die every year from gun violence than probably every other country combined.

P.S. There hasn't been a mass shooting in a couple weeks. This will die down and we will not pass any legislation. Don't worry about it. I'm just telling you what should happen. Better background checks and only 10 rounds in your mag pal.

the fact we don't blink where far more of the problem shows itself is quite telling on us as a whole. we focus on the big bright nasty things out there and react.

not think. react. 2 very different approaches with vastly different outcomes. but thinking takes time and usually requires putting emotion aside. putting emotion aside isn't easy these days. for any of us.

i'm all for better background checks. and while i don't see the "gun show loophole" as a huge issue, i also don't have much of a problem closing it. but will we enforce this new law or simply get mad and pass more if/when it doesn't have the intended results because it wasn't THOUGHT out, just a reaction to a problem?

if you're at a gun show buying from a private individual, great. go to the FFL dealer a booth down and have them run a background check for you. have the gov wave the fee for these one-off sales and now even the $25 isn't the issue.

but to date, our background checks have let a lot of shit through it should not have. fix that THEN put more people through it. this false sense of security given when reactionary laws are passed is why we keep demanding MORE laws. that request to me is a sign you don't want to think about it, just SOMETHING MUST BE DONE.

Good post. Can't argue. Even if we ban all rifles then crazies will just start using glocks and then the left will want to ban 10 round glock handguns. I get it

That is the first post that Iceboy has posted I agree with. But then you take it to the extreme. Exactly where have I and others like me ever said we should ban ANY firearms. Regulate yes, ban no. And to the best of my knowledge, no firearm has been outright banned EVER in the United States of America.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Are you referring to #484 where I clearly answered your question dumb ass?
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and exactly how does:

"Nope. I'm simply pointing out how you are wrong. I'm laughing at the absurd things you post."

answer the question on how you feel about losing due process for a singular gain?

The first word. NOPE.

so you don't see red flag laws as bypassing due process? then as a follow up it would stand to reason you don't see them bypassing due process for "other" issues as they come along.

am i correct in comprehending your overly verbose response?

No. I don't see bypassing due process as something that will happen. I suspect some might want that to happen, but I don't see them succeeding.

except that if i come take your guns because a neighbor said you are dangerous, how is that *not* bypassing due process? where is my trial? where is my right to explain myself?

to me this is bypassing due process because the request doesn't launch an investigation or to see if there is merit to it, it means take my guns cause my neighbor is mad at me. so, to me, red flag laws "do" bypass due process. i would be furious with trump or any elected official if they were to do this because they take power, they never give it back.

Already covered this. If you neighbor is just mad at you and does this then the cops will have to investigate it. It's their job. And if you make that claim in front of a Judge and lie because you are an A-hole then it can end up with a 6 month county stay and a X dollar fine. A few of those will stop any nonsense.

 

[rightwinger]

when these fks say anything about well what about Australia, I just say, thank you, exactly the reason your shit isn't wanted.

Australia is much safer than we are

Yes, because they have more people like THIS and less people like YOU.


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Never saw Crocodile Dundee with an AR 15

 

[Leo123]

I’m building a drone like the ones the Iranians used to bomb the Saudi oil fields. And I’m selling them. No background checks.

And like employers take fake ids from illegals, I can’t help it that the person had a fake Id. Not their fault, not my fault when I accidentally sell one to al quida.

Th us government has them so why can’t I?

So, you are building/selling bomb-capable drones? How can I get one?

So you get my point then? The US Military has them and you want to be just as armed as they are? You people are insane.

the US military doesn't use the AR15.

Oh, stop this nonsense. They use the AR-15 Model 604. But they are stamped with M-16A-4 before it's delivered to comply with the Military identifying program.

The M-16a-4 is an ADAPTION of the AR-15. It is NOT an AR-15.