Hegseth defends returning Confederate monument to Arlington National Cemetery

[SweetTea]

And that is a heritage worth honoring

That heritage had nothing to do with the formation of the Confederacy. It would have been fine without it.

But those fine people with those southern values embraced slavery. They forced Jim Crow for 100 years. They looked the other way as their neighbors engaged in terrorism and participated in juries that unduly punished blacks and acquitted klan members

Racial prejudice was in the North as well. They didn’t have Jim Crow laws, but they were segregated in practice. In effect, they practiced segregation as well as housing and schools were very much segregated. For the most part, they were passively complicit with regard to Jim Crow laws. Racial prejudice was a thing everywhere during those times. Policies and sentiments change over time, sometimes for the good, like in this case, and sometimes for the bad.

 

[rightwinger]

Racial prejudice was in the North as well. They didn’t have Jim Crow laws, but they were segregated in practice. In effect, they practiced segregation as well as housing and schools were very much segregated. For the most part, they were passively complicit with regard to Jim Crow laws. Racial prejudice was a thing everywhere during those times. Policies and sentiments change over time, sometimes for the good, like in this case, and sometimes for the bad.

I grew up in the North in the 1960s
Yes there was prejudice
But today we don’t celebrate the good ole days when we kept those negroes in their place.

 

[SweetTea]

I grew up in the North in the 1960s
Yes there was prejudice
But today we don’t celebrate the good ole days when we kept those negroes in their place.

That is not what we are celebrating when we say Southern culture.

 

[rightwinger]

That is not what we are celebrating when we say Southern culture.

You are when you are honoring Confederate heroes and waving Confederate flags

You can honor your faith, family and tradition without honoring the Confederacy

 

[SweetTea]

You are when you are honoring Confederate heroes and waving Confederate flags

You can honor your faith, family and tradition without honoring the Confederacy

Honoring those that fought to defend our families and our property(not slaves) during the Civil War makes perfect sense to me. Do you disparage soldiers who fought in Vietnam because you didn’t agree with the cause or do you still honor their service to our country? Much of the Civil War was fought on Southern land directly on our homesteads.

 

[rightwinger]

Honoring those that fought to defend our families and our property(not slaves) during the Civil War makes perfect sense to me. Do you disparage soldiers who fought in Vietnam because you didn’t agree with the cause or do you still honor their service to our country? Much of the Civil War was fought on Southern land directly on our homesteads.

You show the same insensitivity to the feelings of your black residents as was shown in the Civil War/Jim Crow

That Confederacy you honor was 40 percent black. Where are the monuments honoring their sacrifice ?

While the South was rushing to erect monuments to their Confederate heroes, black residents were not allowed to vote or voice displeasure over how those monuments made them feel

Today, they can vote and vote to have those monuments of oppression removed.

 

[SweetTea]

Today, they can vote and vote to have those monuments of oppression removed.

Actually, they are being removed by city councils and mayors, not by Democratic processes.

They aren't monuments of oppression any more than Vietnam monuments are monuments of US aggression. Monuments should be viewed as supporting those that died in conflict, not necessarily every policy decision. Like I said before, most Southerners who fought were defending their homeland, not specifically slavery. Once Union soldiers began firing and burning their homestead, a once passive and indifferent farmer quickly became a staunch member of the Confederate military. They felt they were defending their states, towns and families. They were Americans who fought and died and then integrated into the country. Honoring their service should be seen as honoring individual sacrifice. Basically, it is entirely possible to honor veterans without approving every government decision they served under.

 

[rightwinger]

Actually, they are being removed by city councils and mayors, not by Democratic processes.

They aren't monuments of oppression any more than Vietnam monuments are monuments of US aggression. Monuments should be viewed as supporting those that died in conflict, not necessarily every policy decision. Like I said before, most Southerners who fought were defending their homeland, not specifically slavery. Once Union soldiers began firing and burning their homestead, a once passive and indifferent farmer quickly became a staunch member of the Confederate military. They felt they were defending their states, towns and families. They were Americans who fought and died and then integrated into the country. Honoring their service should be seen as honoring individual sacrifice. Basically, it is entirely possible to honor veterans without approving every government decision they served under.

They were put up by white city councils and mayors. Politicians blacks were not allowed to vote for

Now that blacks can vote in those cities
They are not as popular

Why didn’t they erect monuments celebrating the freeing of the slaves?
That is worth honoring

 

[Correll]

You are celebrating a Confederate heritage of slavery and oppression……The Good ole days

What was “Good” about the Confederacy?

40 percent of its population in bondage?
Abandoning the United States?
600,000 dead?

You keep expressing your reasons for your desire to use force to stop whites from celebrating their history and heritage.

I have no interest in your reasons for your bigotry and support of oppression.


The issue is that you are proving the multiculturalism and diversity has failed.

Now we need to decide what to do in place of that.


I can tell you that opressing whites is NOT going to be the answer. Not without a lot of violence.


You ready for that?

 

[rightwinger]

You keep expressing your reasons for your desire to use force to stop whites from celebrating their history and heritage.

I have no interest in your reasons for your bigotry and support of oppression.


The issue is that you are proving the multiculturalism and diversity has failed.

Now we need to decide what to do in place of that.


I can tell you that opressing whites is NOT going to be the answer. Not without a lot of violence.


You ready for that?

You keep sidestepping the question

What was good about the confederacy?

 

[Correll]

You keep sidestepping the question

What was good about the confederacy?

I'm not sidestepping it, that is not the question.

The question is why you think that whites don't have the right to celebrate their history, the way that every other group does.

That you don't like our history, is not relevant to that question.

I accept that you don't like white history. That is your perogative.

It is also irrelevant to this discussion.


Either multicultualism means that all cultures are equal and have to be tolerate of each other in our society or it doesn't.


Your position, which is clearly a widespread and popular position, shows that that is NOT the case.


Whites have fewer rights than everyone else.

This is not acceptable.

 

[rightwinger]

I'm not sidestepping it, that is not the question.

The question is why you think that whites don't have the right to celebrate their history, the way that every other group does.

That you don't like our history, is not relevant to that question.

I accept that you don't like white history. That is your perogative.

It is also irrelevant to this discussion.


Either multicultualism means that all cultures are equal and have to be tolerate of each other in our society or it doesn't.


Your position, which is clearly a widespread and popular position, shows that that is NOT the case.


Whites have fewer rights than everyone else.

This is not acceptable.

You FAIL again

You keep complaining about your inability to honor the Confederacy

What about the Confederacy is worth honoring?
We know that slavery isn’t.
How about taking up arms against our country?

 

[Correll]

You FAIL again

You keep complaining about your inability to honor the Confederacy

What about the Confederacy is worth honoring?
We know that slavery isn’t.
How about taking up arms against our country?

Generally the various statues are in celebration of the service of the fighting men.

YOur position is that whites, and only whites, are not allowed to celebrate their culture and you support the use of government or mob force to stop them from doing so.

This is the complete failure of multiculturalism.

 

[rightwinger]

That you don't like our history, is not relevant to that question.

I accept that you don't like white history. That is your perogative.

Of all the achievements in white history
Why would you choose the Confederacy?

 

[rightwinger]

Generally the various statues are in celebration of the service of the fighting men.

Men who fought for the Confederacy.
A nation built on evil and oppression

Why not put up monuments celebrating the slaves who were freed?
That was the one positive outcome of the war

 

[Correll]

Of all the achievements in white history
Why would you choose the Confederacy?

The discussion is past our choices.

I insist that whites have the same rights as everyone else.

You want to use government and mob force and violence to fight that.

That is the political landscape you have created.

 

[Correll]

Men who fought for the Confederacy.
A nation built on evil and oppression

Name another culture other then whites, that you judge whether or not they are allowed to celebrate their culture.

Why not put up monuments celebrating the slaves who were freed?
That was the one positive outcome of the war

You want to do that, who's stopping you?

 

[rightwinger]

The discussion is past our choices.

I insist that whites have the same rights as everyone else.

You want to use government and mob force and violence to fight that.

That is the political landscape you have created.

People ARE making choices

That choice is that honoring the Confederacy is not appropriate for Government to do.

If you choose to display the Confederate flag and pray to Robert E Lee, you are free to do so.

But those monuments are offensive and don’t belong on public property or for official holidays

 

[rightwinger]

Name another culture other then whites, that you judge whether or not they are allowed to celebrate their culture.

Nazi Germany

 

[Correll]

People ARE making choices

That choice is that honoring the Confederacy is not appropriate for Government to do.

If you choose to display the Confederate flag and pray to Robert E Lee, you are free to do so.

But those monuments are offensive and don’t belong on public property or for official holidays

I understand your position. WHite people don't get to have a public celebration of their heritage the way that every other group does.

My position is that that is nothing but anti-white racism and oppression.

We have a conflict. You wish to deny whites the rights that other groups have. I want whites to have legal and political equality.


I will never stop fighting you on this.