Zone1 Hebrews 1:8 says Jesus is God

Hell huh?
Hell yeah. What you do at mass ON YOUR KNEES for spiritual life is exactly what God promises results in death.

YOU HAVE YOUR REWARD ALREADY.


That's what you resort to when you have nowhere else to go?

I could call you my footstool but I prefer to go the other way. I choose to believe that your anger is a gift. Although you have no idea where or how to use it. Your knowledge is useless without the gift of wisdom.

But there is still hope and I hope that you will find wisdom so that your knowledge becomes truth.
What you call wisdom is stupidity. Jesus spoke in parables and allegory and clearly said that he was using figures of speech even after using terms like raising the dead, giving sight to the blind, unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you can have no life in you, etc., and you, such a wise jerk, can't even bring yourself to admit that truth.

I would tell you to go to hell but I see that you are already in it. What other way should I tell you to fuck off?
 
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So you show your gratitude for physical life by openly defying Divine Law, brazenly desecrating the teachings of Jesus, which is The Actual Body of Christ, and misleading others to do the same, which amounts to murder, the very things that the entire Bible, from the first page to the last, clearly teaches results in death? Are you stupid?


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I am sure that both God and Jesus are very impressed by you digging your grave with your 'faith" in the absurd.

I am.

I am grateful that I am able to live this life and speak to you at this given moment.

You wouldn't know the teachings of Jesus if you were speaking to him face to face.
 
I am grateful that I am able to live this life and speak to you at this given moment. You wouldn't know the teachings of Jesus if you were speaking to him face to face.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven."

To understand what Jesus meant by saying "will be called LEAST" see Genesis 3:14

If to defy the Law of God results in death then to deliberately teach others to do the same amounts to murder.

Now fuck off and enjoy life eating bread baked on human dung and religiously defying the Law of God. Murderer.
 
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What you call wisdom is stupidity. Jesus spoke in parables and allegory and clearly said that he was using figures of speech even after using terms like raising the dead, giving sight to the blind, unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you can have no life in you, etc., and you, such a wise jerk, can't even bring yourself to admit that truth.

I would tell you to go to hell but I see that you are already in it. What other way should I tell you to fuck off?

Parables create a vision for those that do not have vision.


Luke 15:

Then he said: “There was a man who had two sons. . The younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of your estate that I will inherit.’ And so the father divided the property between them.

“A few days later the younger son gathered together everything he had and traveled to a distant country, where he squandered his inheritance on a life of dissolute living. When he had spent it all, a severe famine afflicted that country, and he began to be in need. So he went and hired himself out to one of the local inhabitants who sent him to his farm to feed the pigs. He would have willingly filled his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

“Then he came to his senses and said, ‘How many of my father’s hired workers have more food than they can consume, while here I am, dying of hunger. I will depart from this place and go to my father, and I will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Treat me like one of your hired workers.” ’

“So he set out for his father’s house. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion. He ran to him, threw his arms around him, and kissed him. Then the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

“But the father said to his servants, ‘Quickly bring out the finest robe we have and put it on him. Place a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Then bring the fatted calf and kill it, and let us celebrate with a feast. For this son of mine was dead and has come back to life. He was lost, and now he has been found.’ And they began to celebrate.

;“Now the elder son had been out in the fields, and as he returned and drew near the house, he could hear the sounds of music and dancing. He summoned one of the servants and inquired what all this meant. The servant replied, ‘Your brother has come home, and your father has killed the fatted calf because he has him back safe and sound.’The elder son then became angry and refused to go in.

His father came out and began to plead with him, ;but he said to his father in reply, ‘All these years I have worked like a slave for you, and I never once disobeyed your orders. Even so, you have never even given me a young goat so that I might celebrate with my friends. But when this son of yours returns after wasting his inheritance from you on prostitutes, you kill the fatted calf for him.’

Then the father said to him, ‘Son, you are with me always, and everything I have is yours. But it was only right that we should celebrate and rejoice, because this brother of yours was dead and has come to life; he was lost and now he has been found.’ ”
 
Parables create a vision for those that do not have vision.
The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, BURIED IT AGAIN."

"Everyone who comes to me and hears what I say, and acts upon it- I will show you what he is like. He is like a man who, in building his house, DUG DEEP and laid his foundation on rock. When the flood came, the river burst upon that house, but could not shift it, because it has been soundly built. But he who hears and does not act is like a man who built his house on the soil without any foundation. As soon as the river burst upon it, the house collapsed, and fell with a great crash."

Did you hear that? That was the sound of your church's false claim to moral authority going right out the window.


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"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven."

To understand what Jesus meant by saying "will be called LEAST" see Genesis 3:14

If to defy the Law of God results in death then to deliberately teach others to do the same amounts to murder.

Now fuck off and enjoy life eating bread baked on human dung and religiously defying the Law of God. Murderer.

Do you even have any idea what "The Law" is, you simpleton?

"The Law" is our civilization - it is the foundation of our world.

The ones who set aside the commands of "The Law" are the anarchists - the ones who are out to destroy the foundation of our world. The ones who follow the will of "The Destroyer".

Pay very close attention to what I am about to tell you - both The Law and The Destroyer - are created by and are subject to God.

Isaiah 54:

It was I who created the blacksmith
to blow on the coals in the fire
and produce a weapon suitable for its purpose.
I also created the ravager

to destroy and wreak havoc.

For most this is a mystery - why would God create both a Creator and a Destroyer? The eternal, perfect balance of the Universe and all of creation.

If there is a Law - then there is the opposite of The Law. If The Law is "Good" then the opposite of The Law is "Evil".


This is the foundation of our world.
 
Do you even have any idea what "The Law" is, you simpleton?
Why yes indeed!

I learned all about it from your Church when I was a child. I heard that God gave "The Law" to the Jewish people through Moses to be a light to the nations. The very first command under penalty of death is to not make, bow down to, and worship, anything made by human hands. Defying this law and teaching others to do the same amounts to murder. Just like "Satan was a murderer from the beginning" of the fairy tale even though he literally didn't kill anyone. What he did is what you do. You are promoting as good, even the only way to eternal life, what God has clearly forbidden under penalty of death. I told you that your sorcery has absolutely no effect on me.

Your sin, your defiled and contaminated mind, is as obvious as a white boulder in the middle of a plowed field.


How is it that you don't know the right course to take? Don't you even have an inkling how screwed you are? No?

That's a shame.


 
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Why yes indeed!

I learned all about it from your Church when I was a child. I heard that God gave "The Law" to the Jewish people through Moses to be a light to the nations. The very first command under penalty of death is to not make, bow down to, and worship, anything made by human hands. Defying this law and teaching others to do the same amounts to murder. Just like "Satan was a murderer from the beginning" of the fairy tale even though he literally didn't kill anyone. What he did is what you do. You are promoting as good, even the only way to eternal life, what God has clearly forbidden under penalty of death. I told you that your sorcery has absolutely no effect on me.

Your sin, your defiled and contaminated mind, is as obvious as a white boulder in the middle of a plowed field.


How is it that you don't know the right course to take? Don't you even have an inkling how screwed you are? No?

That's a shame.





Satan quite literally means Adversary. The Adversary of creation (and humankind) is The Spirit of the Destroyer. The same spirit that tempted Eve and later Cain.

How else could humankind describe it, other than, "A murderer from the beginning"?


Pay attention - your accusation has already been answered...


Matthew 22:

Then they brought to him a man who was unable to either see or speak and who was possessed by a demon. He cured him, so that the man who was mute both spoke and saw. All the people were astonished, and they said, “Is this not the Son of David?” But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons.”

He knew what they were thinking, and he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and every city or household divided against itself cannot survive. If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom survive?

If it is by Beelzebul that I cast out demons, by whom do your own children cast them out? Therefore, they will be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come to you.
 
The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, BURIED IT AGAIN."

"Everyone who comes to me and hears what I say, and acts upon it- I will show you what he is like. He is like a man who, in building his house, DUG DEEP and laid his foundation on rock. When the flood came, the river burst upon that house, but could not shift it, because it has been soundly built. But he who hears and does not act is like a man who built his house on the soil without any foundation. As soon as the river burst upon it, the house collapsed, and fell with a great crash."

Did you hear that? That was the sound of your church's false claim to moral authority going right out the window.


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I am grateful to the ones, who came before me, who built this house on solid ground.
 
Satan quite literally means Adversary. The Adversary of creation (and humankind) is The Spirit of the Destroyer.
In Hebrew the word for serpent is nachash which is both a noun and an adjective meaning snake, brazen, shiny one, and/or one who practices divination, the magical arts, sorcery, what is now known as mind control, the stars of the ancient world feared and revered for their ability to possess the minds and control the actions of others. Fuckwads just like you are the adversary promoting as good what God has forbidden under penalty of death.

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Accordingly, the name Hobelim has the same meaning [viz., destroying] as the root ḥabal has in Meḥabbelim keramim, “destroying vineyards” (Song of Sol. 2:15). But the prophet found also in this name Ḥobelim the indication that the people despised God, and that God despised them. Maimonides, Guide for the Perplexed

"Every plant that has not been planted by my Heavenly Father will be extirpated." Mat 15:13




Guess what time it is smarty pants, you faithless steward. As if you didn't know that what you do at mass is evil.

 
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Accordingly, the name Hobelim has the same meaning [viz., destroying] as the root ḥabal has in Meḥabbelim keramim, “destroying vineyards” (Song of Sol. 2:15). But the prophet found also in this name Ḥobelim the indication that the people despised God, and that God despised them. Maimonides, Guide for the Perplexed

"Every plant that has not been planted by my Heavenly Father will be extirpated." Mat 15:13

Guess what time it is mr smarty pants, you faithless steward. As if you didn't know that what you do at mass is evil

Mass could only be evil to the one who does not see or feel the hearts of the faithful who attend it.

Destroyer - you are subject to the one who has planted the seeds.
 
Mass could only be evil to the one who does not see or feel the hearts of the faithful who attend it.
Nonsense. The practice of setting aside the Law of God to seek spiritual life on your knees from a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands is vile and degrading, disgusting, forbidden by God under penalty of death, whatever the hell you profess to believe that you are doing. If you don't believe me read your own freaking bible.
 
Destroyer - you are subject to the one who has planted the seeds.
Every single thing that I have openly made known to you I have drawn from what Jesus taught. EVERYTHING.

"the reaper has overtaken the sower of seed"
 
Nonsense. The practice of setting aside the Law of God to seek spiritual life on your knees from a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands is vile and degrading, disgusting, forbidden by God under penalty of death, whatever the hell you profess to believe that you are doing. If you don't believe me read your own freaking bible.

What Law of God do you speak of?

Halachah (Jewish Law)​

The term halachah typically translates as ‘Jewish law’ or more literally, ‘the path one walks’. Briefly, Halachah refers to the whole set of comprehensive rules, ordinances, commandments and practices that structure Jewish life. A specific Jewish law is referred to as a ‘mitzvah’ (plural: ‘mitzvot’). Such laws cover various topics, including diet, method of worship, purity laws, and social and familial obligations. These laws also form an ethical framework. There are two major sources for Halachah: Torah law and Rabbinic law.

Torah Law​

There are 613 mitzvot (laws) listed in the Torah, forming the core of Halachah. The extent to which these laws are followed vary among the streams of Judaism. For instance, Orthodox streams tend to view these laws as binding. On the other hand, Reform streams tend to view laws as adaptable to the modern world. Additionally, many of these laws cannot be observed in the modern age for different reasons. For instance, there are laws that relate to offerings which require the Temple of Jerusalem (which is now demolished). Other laws, such as agricultural laws, only apply on the land of Israel.

Rabbinic Law​

Rabbinic laws are those believed to be created by humans. There are three general categories:

  • Gezeirah: Laws instituted by rabbis to prevent people from accidentally violating Torah law.
  • Takkanah: Non-biblical laws created for the welfare of the public.
  • Minhag: Laws that are not deliberately created, but rather long-standing customs.

Rabbinic Court (Beit Din)​

A rabbinic court (beit din) usually consists of three Jewish people, one of whom is a rabbi. In some streams of Judaism, there may be a permanent rabbinic court composed of three rabbis. For less serious cases, a temporary rabbinic court may be organised. In the nation-state of Israel, a rabbinic court is part of the formal legal system and must be consulted for particular ritual matters.

There are various situations in which a Jewish person may require a rabbinic court, the most common being to arrange a get (Jewish divorce document), or to convert to Judaism. Other cases in which a rabbinic court may be required are for verifying a couple’s wish to marry, dissolving oaths and overseeing the certification of the many Jewish legal professions (e.g. a mohel) and communal institutions (e.g. Jewish burial societies).

Guiding Ethical Concepts​

Protecting Life (Pikuach Nefesh)​

The concept of pikuach nefesh refers to the idea that preserving and protecting human life takes precedence over any other religious consideration. This includes overriding laws for the sake of saving a life. For example, an ill person is permitted to eat non-kosher food if it is necessary for their recovery. As such, the principle of pikuach nefesh is considered to be of paramount importance.

Inclinations of Good and Evil​

In Judaism, there is a general belief that humans possess free will as well as the ability of ethical judgement. All humans have two general inclinations or instincts: the inclination towards good (yetzer ha-tov) and the inclination towards evil (yetzer ha-ra). Humans are thought to be engaged in a struggle against their instinct towards evil, but through free will they have the ability to follow their good inclinations.

Sin and Repentance​

The typical word for sin is averah and generally refers to the transgression of God’s will through the act of omission or commission. In Jewish thought, sin is generally understood to be caused by the inclination towards evil (yetzer ha-ra). Meanwhile, the usual word for repentance is ‘teshuvah’, which refers to the ‘turning’ away from sin to God. It is thought that, though no human is free from temptation, God accepts sincere repentance.

Intention (Chavvanah)​

The ethical concept of chavvanah refers to directing the mind to the meaning of spoken words or acts performed to maintain spiritual intention. It is usually used in the context of prayer and performance of rituals. Ideally, one carries out a ritual or law (mitzvah) with mindful intention.

Modesty (Tzniut)​

The principle of modesty (tzniut) refers to both the concept of reserved or simple behaviour, as well as the group of Jewish laws concerned with modesty. A Jewish person may avoid attitudes, postures or behaviours considered to be boastful or extravagant. Jewish men and women are also encouraged to dress modestly by avoiding overly expensive, luxurious or revealing clothing. The concept of modesty is usually prioritised more by Orthodox streams of Judaism.

Evil Tongue (Lashon Ha-ra)​

The concept of lashon ha-ra literally translates as ‘evil tongue’ and refers to any form of speech that is derogatory or damaging in any way. Lashon ha-ra is said to cause harm to three people: the speaker, the listener and the person spoken about. The various references to lashon ha-ra in the Torah are interpreted by many as indicating all forms of gossip are unacceptable.

Repair of the World (Tikkun Olam)​

The term tikkun olam has various translations but is often understood as meaning ‘repairing the world’. Typically, ‘tikkun olam’ is used to reflect values such as social welfare and justice. The core idea is that one has a responsibility in contributing to make the world a better place. This ethical value is greatly emphasised in Reform Judaism.

Sexuality, Marriage and Divorce​

In Judaism, sexual and reproductive ethics and practices are based on two concepts: first, all human life is holy, and second, people can be in a state of ritual purity or impurity. These two concepts inform the following sexual ethical ideas in Judaism.

Avoiding Temptation​

Many Jewish people hold that there should be a balance between the human inclinations towards good (yetzer ha-tov) and evil (yetzer ha-ra). In the context of sexuality, lust is seen as offset by love. One way traditional Jewish people seek to maintain balance is by avoiding overt sexual desire outside the intimacy of a married partner. Orthodox Jewish men and women may dress and act modestly. They may also maintain a physical separation, especially during religious services. Meanwhile, many Jewish people from more liberal streams believe that they can uphold the balance without such restrictions.

Menstruation​

In accordance with Vayikra (Leviticus) 15:19-30, Orthodox or more conservative Jewish couples may avoid marital relations during the time of the wife’s menstruation and for seven days after. Thereafter, the wife may immerse in a ritual bath (mikveh), following which marital relations resume until just prior to the time when the next period is expected. As a result, this means that a husband and wife are usually permitted to be in physical contact together for sixteen days each month. Those from liberal traditions tend to consider such laws to be archaic. They usually do not participate in the monthly ritual bath that concludes the menstrual cycle and will usually maintain physical contact with their partners.

Spilling of the Seed​

In some Orthodox traditions, each sperm and egg is considered sacred, and as such, acts that ‘spills the seed’ (i.e. ejaculation outside the vagina) should be avoided. Some interpret particular sexual acts (such as masturbation) and the use of particular contraceptives (such as condoms) as ‘spilling the seed’. More liberal Jewish people usually disregard this interpretation. Most methods of birth control are accepted so long as it does not inhibit the laws related to procreation.

Sexuality​

There are various laws relating to sexuality and marriage in Judaism. Among some Jewish traditions, sexual activity is considered to be an act of holiness if it is performed with the right partner, at the right time (see Menstruation), and for the right purpose. Sexual activity is generally associated with the establishing of a family through love, mutual consent and sensitivity to the physical needs of one’s partner. In turn, the act of sex is not understood as purely for the purposes of procreation but also as a joyful responsibility in marriage.

Some Orthodox Jewish people infer that the prohibition of ‘spilling the seed’ also extends to the restriction of any homosexual acts. Many also base their opposition to homosexual acts on the verse found in Vayikra 18:22 (“You shall not lie with a man as with a woman”). However, those following more liberal traditions may interpret this verse to be a product of a different culture and time. Thus, while some Jewish groups may view homosexual acts as immoral, others may be tolerant or accepting of homosexuality activity.

Marriage​

Marriage is generally expected of most Jewish people. It is a common expectation for a Jewish person to marry a Jewish person. In more orthodox branches of Judaism (particularly Haredi), marriages may be arranged by the parents or a professional match-maker. The Hebrew term for ‘marriage’ is known as kiddushin, which is also the word for ‘holiness’. Indeed, marriage is typically understood as a sacred formal commitment between a man and a woman with each other and with God. Liberal branches of Judaism tend to allow for same-sex marriage. Couples are often expected to have a ‘fruitful’ marriage, meaning that they are open to the possibility of having children. In more liberal branches of Judaism, the focal point of marriage is not necessarily procreation, but the bond between the couple.

Divorce​

Divorce is permitted in the Jewish tradition and is formalised through a get (document of a divorce). The ‘get’ is required for a couple to formally divorce from each other; a divorce is only finalised once the husband hands the get to his wife. The husband is also required to give a ketubah, which is the marriage settlement agreed by the couple when they marry. This settlement is claimed by the wife should her husband die or divorce her.

A religious divorce (through giving or receiving a get) is separate from a civil and secular divorce that the couple might pursue. However, such practices vary depending on the stream of Judaism. For instance, in more orthodox traditions, a religious divorce is sometimes considered more important than a civil or secular divorce. Conservative or Orthodox rabbis typically will not allow a person to remarry who has not received or given a ‘get’. Other differences in practice are in regard to the ketubah. More liberal streams of Judaism may follow an egalitarian approach, whereby both the woman and man contribute to the settlement.






Is this The Law you speak of?
 
Is this The Law you speak of?

I already told you. You openly and brazenly defy the first commandment at mass. That Law. Is this news to you?

You also defy kosher Law every time you swallow the Roman bullshit story that Jesus died as "a perfect human sacrifice" so believers who celebrate his death and worship and eat him in the form of a lifeless piece of bread, made by human hands, on their knees after a priest goes hocus pocus, presto mundo, alakazam! (as if spiritual life can be handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food) can remain assholes and sin with impunity for life.

Seriously, how stupid is that?

Either you've been "beguiled" by a brood of talking serpents or you've made evil a deliberate choice. Which is it?

The fact that you can't see the absurdity in what you profess to believe proves that you did die in the very day decades ago when you first got down on your knees to worship and eat a lifeless piece of bread for spiritual life.

If you don't like me pointing out the obvious just fuck off. Go to church. No one there will disturb your slumber.
 
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I already told you. You openly and brazenly defy the first commandment at mass. That Law. Is this news to you?

You also defy kosher Law every time you swallow the Roman bullshit story that Jesus died as "a perfect human sacrifice" so believers who celebrate his death and worship and eat him in the form of a lifeless piece of bread, made by human hands, on their knees after a priest goes hocus pocus, presto mundo, alakazam! (as if spiritual life can be handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food) can remain assholes and sin with impunity for life.

Seriously, how stupid is that?

The first paragraph of the Nicene Creed - Recited at every Mass:

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty
,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.


Matthew 15:

Then he called the people to him and said to them, “Listen and understand. It is not what goes into one’s mouth that defiles a person; what comes out of the mouth is what defiles him.”
 
Then he called the people to him and said to them, “Listen and understand. It is not what goes into one’s mouth that defiles a person; what comes out of the mouth is what defiles him.”
Exactly! Funny you picked that verse where Jesus is teaching that kosher law is not about food. Hysterical. Pssst! Your own words and deeds condemn you. So keep misleading other people that the way to eternal life is to defy the Law of God. What have you got to lose except salvation. You can't get any more dead than you already are.

Sucker.
 
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The first paragraph of the Nicene Creed - Recited at every Mass:

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty
,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.


Matthew 15:


Then he called the people to him and said to them, “Listen and understand. It is not what goes into one’s mouth that defiles a person; what comes out of the mouth is what defiles him.”
he was eating lunch in the home of a friend----what is
"then he called the people to him....." what people?
 
he was eating lunch in the home of a friend----what is
"then he called the people to him....." what people?
I heard that there were 'sinners' and prostitutes and some really bad characters. He was always in bad company.

But that's just what I heard.
 

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