Zone1 Hebrews 1:8 says Jesus is God

[hobelim]

Jesus is God.

Not according to Jesus.

"Go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to my Father and your Father; My God and your God." By saying his God is their God Jesus eliminated any possibility that he either thought of himself as or claimed to be God.

That's the way the cookie crumbles.

 

[ding]

Not according to Jesus.

"Go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to my Father and your Father; My God and your God." By saying his God is their God Jesus eliminated any possibility that he either thought of himself as or claimed to be God.

That's the way the cookie crumbles.

Yes, according to Jesus.

John 1:1-3
Colossians 1:15-20
Philippians 2:5-7
Hebrews 1:8
2 Peter 1:1
John 8:58
1 Timothy 3:16
Matthew 28:18
John 5:19-23
Philippians 2:9-11
John 17:2
Luke 9:1
Luke 10:19
Matthew 16:19
Matthew 10:1

And many more.

 

[hobelim]

Yes, according to Jesus.

You have just proven that you don't even have an inkling about what Jesus was talking about. You understand neither scripture nor the power of my God who has not found you worthy of the resurrection from the dead.


The flesh and blood of vile and loathsome creatures is dripping from your unclean lips.

 

[ding]

You have just proven that you don't even have an inkling about what Jesus was talking about. You understand neither scripture nor the power of my God who has not found you worthy of the resurrection from the dead.


The flesh and blood of vile and loathsome creatures is dripping from your unclean lips.

No. What I have just proven is that you got overwhelmed by a portion of the scripture I could have thrown at you.

 

[BreezeWood]

There were non-Christian historians which recorded that the first Christians worshipped Jesus as God.

- never happened during the time of the 1st century events ...

there are no contemporary recordings for any of the depicted events written in the 4th century christian bible -

clay or marble reliefs simple clay tablets ever found during the time to verify even the existence of the itinerant much less their notoriety - and most of all jesus left nothing written by their own hand and surly was crucified before written dialogue had time to evolve.

 

[Cougarbear]

It has already been conceded by Christians that the bibles are not the word of the god.

Proclaiming anything in the bibles to be true, is now conditional on that concession.

What Christians say this? None that I know of...

 

[ding]

- never happened during the time of the 1st century events ...

there are no contemporary recordings for any of the depicted events written in the 4th century christian bible -

clay or marble reliefs simple clay tablets ever found during the time to verify even the existence of the itinerant much less their notoriety - and most of all jesus left nothing written by their own hand and surly was crucified before written dialogue had time to evolve.

24,000 written manuscripts, a resurrection, non-Christian historians, the first Christians worshipping Jesus as God and the birth of a global religion the likes of which have never been seen before says otherwise.

You idiots keep coming at this with no evidence only allows me to share the evidence. What you are intending for evil, God is using for good.

 

[ding]

Do either of you two idiots - hobelim and BreezeWood - think for one second that your one off, one of a kind, batshit crazy beliefs, with zero evidence can ever compete with reality? You idiots keep assuming there's no good reason for Christianity to exist and are dismissing the 2000 year history, the continued success of the people and the reasons why there have been billions of followers.

 

[BreezeWood]

there's no good reason for Christianity to exist ...

when forgeries fallacies and lies are what is used for a religion to persecute and victimize the innocent there is no good reason for those religions to exist as recorded history attests for those three desert religion having not a single moment of glory for goodness spanning for centuries from their beginning to the present day ...

what can be expected differently than for those who crucified a simple itinerant for their honesty and knowledge of the heavens and the path their creation, life is meant to be taken.

 

[BreezeWood]

Again, you have not revealed your source for your "sabbath." The entire concept of a sabbath comes from Moses 5 books. There are no other references for a sabbath and you have not stated there is and what that reference is. So, you can go back under your rock until you can.

not mine ...

taught by jesus who choose to heal on the sabbath for the reason given - to honor the holiness of their creation, life and the garden for which they are given and a reason judaism choose to crucify the simple itinerant who's following were modest at best and far between yet perceived by them a threat to their wrongful prevailing religion.

 

[ding]

when forgeries fallacies and lies are what is used for a religion to persecute and victimize the innocent there is no good reason for those religions to exist as recorded history attests for those three desert religion having not a single moment of glory for goodness spanning for centuries from their beginning to the present day ...

what can be expected differently than for those who crucified a simple itinerant for their honesty and knowledge of the heavens and the path their creation, life is meant to be taken.

 

[Cougarbear]

not mine ...

taught by jesus who choose to heal on the sabbath for the reason given - to honor the holiness of their creation, life and the garden for which they are given and a reason judaism choose to crucify the simple itinerant who's following were modest at best and far between yet perceived by them a threat to their wrongful prevailing religion.

There is no Jesus without Moses. Moses was at the Mount of Transfigurations. You are full of yourself.

 

[Donald H]

What Christians say this? None that I know of...

You must not be allowed to get out very much anymore?

 

[BreezeWood]

There is no Jesus without Moses. Moses was at the Mount of Transfigurations. You are full of yourself.

you are totally lost - there is historical evidence moses never existed ... to suggest jesus is dependent on moses is absurd, the 1st century events are the refutation of judaism in particular the false commandments claimed by your hero - moses.

 

[Donald H]

you are totally lost - there is historical evidence moses never existed ... to suggest jesus is dependent on moses is absurd, the 1st century events are the refutation of judaism in particular the false commandments claimed by your hero - moses.

It's productive to go back to debating the basics of Christian beliefs.

Now that the Catholic church has thrown out the Genesis babies (A&E) with the bath water.

Christian beliefs aren't all bullsh-t if the bible can be accepted as all allegory, in place of the real thing.

 

[Cougarbear]

You must not be allowed to get out very much anymore?

You’re making things up. That’s false bearing and a sin.

 

[Cougarbear]

you are totally lost - there is historical evidence moses never existed ... to suggest jesus is dependent on moses is absurd, the 1st century events are the refutation of judaism in particular the false commandments claimed by your hero - moses.

You are clueless. We have the history books that say you are wrong. Primarily the OT. Archeology is finding more and more evidence of the OT. There is no evidence in the NT is any repudiation of the laws of Moses. Jesus didn’t come to change the law from his own words. He said he came to fulfill the Law of Moses. So, you are 100% wrong. Now, find a rock and crawl under it.

 

[BreezeWood]

Jesus didn’t come to change the law from his own words. He said he came to fulfill the Law of Moses. So, you are 100% wrong.

there are no recordings in the hand of jesus to make such claims as made in the 4th century christian bible ...

the corrections are replete throughout the 1st century events, that is what those events entail - nearly every example is a refutation of judaism harsh jurisprudence and false claims of heavenly personifications used to persecute and victimize the innocent -

your problem is you have no idea the true nature of jesus ... the sabbath is an excellent example of knowing the truth to be persecuted by the false prevailing judaism their false commandments hereditary idolatry religion of apartheid jesus and those others in the 1st century gave their lives for the heavens - over the deceptions of judaism.

 

[Cougarbear]

there are no recordings in the hand of jesus to make such claims as made in the 4th century christian bible ...

the corrections are replete throughout the 1st century events, that is what those events entail - nearly every example is a refutation of judaism harsh jurisprudence and false claims of heavenly personifications used to persecute and victimize the innocent -

your problem is you have no idea the true nature of jesus ... the sabbath is an excellent example of knowing the truth to be persecuted by the false prevailing judaism their false commandments hereditary idolatry religion of apartheid jesus and those others in the 1st century gave their lives for the heavens - over the deceptions of judaism.

Jesus has a body of flesh and bones glorified through the resurrection process. He is the Son of Father in Heaven and we have been redeemed to him. Not only is he our elder brother but now in a sense our father as well since he leads us. You have no idea who Jesus Christ is. You have been lied to. You have been deceived and sounds like by Mohammed, am I correct?

 

[BreezeWood]

Not only is he our elder brother but now in a sense our father as well since he leads us.

jesus never said anything about leading anyone anywhere or being their elder brother or being anyone's father -

they taught liberation theology, self determination to find the true path to free one's own sovereign spirit for judgement and admission to the everlasting.