Heated disagreement breaks out in Situation Room over hydroxychloroquine, Navarro vs Fauci

[HappyJoy]

Yawn.............1999 to 2000 study on malaria drugs......

OH...IF YOU TAKE IT THE SIDE EFFECTS WILL KILL YOU.....

What a bunch of leftwing tools here.

Atovaquone-Proguanil versus Chloroquine-Proguanil for Malaria Prophylaxis in Nonimmune Pediatric Travelers: Results of an International, Randomized, Open-Label Study

Abstract. Atovaquone-proguanil has been shown to be effective and well tolerated for malaria prophylaxis in residents of countries of endemicity and in nonimmun

academic.oup.com

People use this stuff all the time going on vacation to Kenya.

OMFG......WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE.

Anti-Malaria tablets while in Kenya - Kenya Forum - Tripadvisor

Answer 1 of 7: Hi All, We are travelling to Kenya in the first week of August and the places include Nairobi, Masai Mara, Amboseli and Lake Nakuru. We have got the Yellow fever shots and the polio drops. I read that Anti-Malaria tablets are important too. I was...

www.tripadvisor.com

I thought we were talking about taking a malaria drug for COVID 19 where it may or may not be beneficial.

I saw posts Fear mongering the side effects of using drugs that we have used for DECADES......hell.......for 40 plus years....................

And now..........it's IF YOU TAKE THEM YOU ARE GOING TO DIE.............LOL

That is a JOKE........I took the dang things when we ported in Kenya in the 80's..........lol

I don't think we know the true effects of this drug combined with what COVID-19 is already doing to the body. For example both are not good for people with heart conditions.

So far, the side effects of the drug combined with covid 19 include having the patient become symptom free and checking out of hospitals.

We have people not take the drug and become symptom free as well and make a full recovery. You might as well say some people who drank beer in January survived COVID-19 in March because technically that is a true statement.

We have people that don't take the flu shot every year and never catch the flu. What's your point???

You just demonstrated it.

 

[WEATHER53]

Liberals have banged the drum for this typical annual flu to be the slayer of mankind with everyone huddled in the basement YET they have qualms about the current most effective treatment. They are not poker players for they have revealed their full and true hand

 

[basquebromance]

from the NYT:

"Navarro aggressively pushed China travel ban in January - the one thing Trump brags about. "Many other top officials" denounced Navarro's views. "

Trade Adviser Warned White House in January of Risks of a Pandemic (Published 2020)

A memo from Peter Navarro is the most direct warning known to have circulated at a key moment among top administration officials.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Liberals have banged the drum for this typical annual flu to be the slayer of mankind with everyone huddled in the basement YET they have qualms about the
not shameless lies. currentt most effective treatment. They are not poker players for they have revealed their full and true hand

Thread ban worthy. This thread is for information, not shameless lies.

 

[Seawytch]

I know this much, Navarro has been a hawk on China, well ahead of the game in terms of what threat they pose to the world. The guy I probably most trust in his administration to stay the course on confronting abusers of America.

Fauci, has been getting sunshine shined up his behind by CNN in particular for some time. This article was co-written by that guy in high school who I would expect to rat someone out to the teacher if he heard them curse in gym class, Jim Acosta. I think Fauci seeks the spotlight too often and he is a little too sure of himself for my tastes for this type of situation with many unknowns. I'm glad when Trump calls him out about wanting to shut the country down for 2 years, I think it's an odd, broad position to take considering how some states are far less impacted by this virus than others.

Heated disagreement breaks out in Situation Room over hydroxychloroquine

(CNN)There was a heated disagreement in the Situation Room this weekend over the efficacy of the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine -- but multiple sources say it was mostly one-sided, as President Donald Trump's top trade adviser Peter Navarro feuded with other officials over the drug's unproven effectiveness to treat coronavirus.

The debate is not a new one inside the coronavirus task force -- and medical experts have repeatedly explained to the President that there is a risk in enthusiastically touting hydroxychloroquine in case the drug doesn't ultimately work to combat the virus. But other aides and outside advisers have sided with Trump, including Navarro, who is still not a formal part of the task force but has wedged himself into the meetings.

Axios first reported on the disagreement inside the White House about the drug.

While discussing the latest on hydroxychloroquine this weekend, an exasperated Navarro lashed out at Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the advisers who has urged caution about the drug, a person familiar with the meeting told CNN.

Fauci's been good to have in our corner but OTOH reminds me of that saying "When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail". He's too insular. Trump is wise to bring other people in and listen.

Yeah, let's listen to what the economist has to say over the health care professional with over 50 years experience during a pandemic.

Yeah, let's stay in our houses like hermits for two years. Brilliant plan. There will be NO viruses left likely, but also, no economy. And no America.

Great idea. Brilliant.

That's exactly what The VOR asshole would LOVE to see happen if it would destroy President Trump.

You're an idiot. But hey, when it comes to YOUR health, if you want to trust in an economist for your well-being, knock yourself out.

Personally, I'll side with the medical professionals when it comes to my health during this pandemic, and I'll do my best taking precautions to prevent myself from contracting this virus from some stupid fuck like you.

And one more thing assholes --- you and sue --- nobody said anything about staying in their homes without coming out for two years. That's just more of the loads of bullshit you idiots invent.

It truly is amazing how fucking stupid you retards are.

If Fauci a medical professional? He said he would take it if he had the virus.

Sorry, but you aren't making any sense. Learn English and then get back to me.

Of you get corvid will you refuse this drug?

Yes, because it wouldn't be prescribed by a medical professional. You on the other hand would take it because trump and an economist told you to, LOL. Good luck.

Who told you that it wouldn't be prescribed by a medical professional?

Are you telling me doctors are currently prescribing hydroxychloroquine for covid-19?

Of course they are. Who told you that they weren't?

Doctors are prescribing it for covid-19? Link me to that. There haven't even been clinical trials for this drug as a treatment for covid-19.

LA doctor seeing success with hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19

Fuck that. If you want to be a lab rat, go right ahead, not me.

This drug has been in use since 1955 in the US. Anybody with this virus right now should take this. Most with common sense would.

Since 1955 as a treatment for malaria.

Then tell me, why aren't all doctors across the country prescribing this covid-19 wonder drug? Let me guess, either none of them have "common sense" or they are all members of the deep state trying to harm trump's reelection.

This is used routinely by rheumatolgists for treating arthritis. It is hardly a risky drug. It is marketed under the name Plaquenil. Read the link below from the Arthritis foundation.

"...the sudden high demand comes from people and clinics that want to use hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 prevention or treatment, although the drug is not approved for either indication, and there is limited evidence to support its use in COVID-19. Researchers are preparing to launch rigorous studies of its safety and effectiveness. Despite that, people and clinicians are putting their hope in hydroxychloroquine (and chloroquine, a closely related drug). "

In other words, they are prescribing it. Some don't want it to be the answer for obvious reasons.

Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) Shortage Causing Concern | Arthritis Foundation

TDS morons won't do anything unless Adolph Schiffler tells them to do it.

You're calling the rest of the world "morons" for refusing to use an untested and dangerous drug, on the advice of a failed economist and a realty TV show host, and which the DOCTORS and INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALISTS on staff are advising against.

That is cult of personality at its finest.

you are totally FOS. The drug has been around for over 50 years and has been tested extensively. It is used on malaria and lupus and works. Calling it an untested and dangerous drug is just plain ignorant.

the real reason the dems and their funders in big pharma are fighting it is because it is available and CHBEAP. so no new patents for the drug companies and no obscene profits, and no massive funding flowing from pharma to the dems.

Wake the fuck up, thats what is really going on here.

It is untested for THIS use. Just like you shouldn't take heart medication for heartburn, you don't take a malaria drug for COVID. It has to be tested to ensure the drug doesn't act negatively with the symptoms or other treatments.

Nothing wrong with being hopeful but "try it, what have you got to lose" is irresponsible and stupid. What you "have to lose" is your life. That'd just be "Survival of the fittest" though and you support that right?

Untested for this use? I've seen articles linked all over this forum that show thousands of people have taken this drug for covid and the drug worked. Lefties are fighting this drug for partisan reasons, but they are on the losing side of this one.

Nobody is "fighting" it. Everyone hopes it will work. It has to be tested first. Trump is being irresponsible as usual in his rush to " open America back up".

Go slow to go fast.

Of course people are fighting it. All the Trump hating douchebags are fighting it. Take you, for instance.

Urging caution until it has been tested is not "fighting it".

 

[mikegriffith1]

Fauci is an idiot. Back in the 1980s, he was telling us that you could catch HIV/AIDS by kissing, because he thought that HIV could be spread in saliva. Now, yeah, if you have an open sore in your mouth, and if the other person has an open sore in their mouth, you could catch HIV by deep, prolonged kissing, but the odds of this are remote and have nothing to do with saliva.

 

[WEATHER53]

Liberals have banged the drum for this typical annual flu to be the slayer of mankind with everyone huddled in the basement YET they have qualms about the
not shameless lies. currentt most effective treatment. They are not poker players for they have revealed their full and true hand

Thread ban worthy. This thread is for information, not shameless lies.

Goochie can’t refute factually so resorts to emotional name calling plus tearfully seeking a ban

 

[XponentialChaos]

Trump dithered.
Americans withered...and died.

Childish.....none of the fuckers you support is doing anything and you think you're being clever......all you doing is being a faggot.

Why don't go back to sucking Obama's dick, mkay?

That sounded way better in your head, didn't it?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Back in the 1980s, he was telling us that you could catch HIV/AIDS by kissing, because he thought that HIV could be spread in saliva.

Well that's probably a shameless lie on your part.

And here is Fauci, correcting that lie in 1993:

NO EVIDENCE THAT A KISS CAN TRANSMIT AIDS

www.chicagotribune.com

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Goochie can’t refute factually

No need, it's your interpretation of the facts that is retarded. I pointed that out. Pay attention, Cletus.

Well, save for your idiotic fetish ,transmitted to you by your cult leader, of calling covid-19 a seasonal flu. How embarrassing for you.

 

[byhisello99]

I cannot believe the amount of ignorance displayed in this thread.

Hydroxychloroquinine and chloroquinine are not the same thing. Isn't there some sort of reading comprehension assumed?

Medicine is practiced by physicians. Medications are developed by medical scientists and compounded by pharmacists. Opinions of partisan hacks are irrelevant, except that they can cause people to shy away from useful actions. The Governors of Michigan and Nevada have threatened physicians who prescribe hydroxychloroquinine to their patients. Both should be arrested for practicing medicine without a license.

A list of potential side-effects is written by lawyers, not scientists. The likely side effects of plaquenil are few and hardly dangerous. Even the most common side-effects (most common does not mean likely) aren't particularly problematic.

I've already said this, try to read this time: In science, anecdotal evidence is any evidence not derived from a controlled study. In quantity, it is very helpful.

Of course the immune system is what will defeat COVID-19. Yes, hydroxychloroquinine will depress a part of the immune response. The two statements are not mutually exclusive. In those most vulnerable to the infection, the greatest single risk is the cytokine storm triggered by the immune system. It literally stops the lungs from functioning. Plaquenil dampens the cytokine storm while allowing the other parts of the immune system to kill the virus. Were I still practicine medicine I would do an exam of the eyes and listen to the heart beat, and if the patient were still sufficiently ill to need hospitalization, probably prescribe plaquenil.

For a detailed discussion I would recommend my patient talk to a pharmacist. That is because the pharmacist has ready access to more information than most physicians, such as the latest studies and literature.

On balance, I would rather my president tell me there is hope instead of telling me how stupid members of the opposing party are, or we are all doomed. The first (stupid) is self-evident, the second (doom) is wrong.

 

[Markle]

The revelation of Navarro's memo is just the latest documented proof Trump was warned repeatedly about the effect the virus could have................but did virtually nothing until it was too late.

Yeah, right!

Published February 1, 2020
China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'
By Joe McDonald, Sam McNeil | Associated Press
[...]
On Friday, the United States declared a public health emergency and President Donald Trump and an order barring entry to foreign nationals, other than immediate family of American citizens and permanent residents, who visited China within the last 14 days, which scientists say is the virus’s longest incubation period.

'Unfriendly comments'
China criticized the U.S. controls, which it said contradicted the WHO’s appeal to avoid travel bans, and “unfriendly comments” that Beijing was failing to cooperate.

“Just as the WHO recommended against travel restrictions, the U.S. rushed to go in the opposite way. Certainly not a gesture of goodwill,” said foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying.

WHO Secretary-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in Geneva that despite the emergency declaration, there is “no reason for measures that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade.”
[...]
China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'

China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'

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U.S.
CALIFORNIA'S DEMOCRAT GOVERNOR PRAISES TRUMP'S RESPONSE TO CORONAVIRUS ON CRUISE SHIP: 'EVERY SINGLE THING HE SAID THEY FOLLOWED THROUGH ON'
BY JASON LEMON ON 3/9/20 AT 1:29 PM EDT

California's Democratic Governor Gavin Newsom praised President Donald Trump on Monday for supporting his state as it assisted with the repatriation of passengers from the coronavirus-infected Grand Princess cruise ship.

Trump and his administration have faced criticism for their response to the coronavirus. But Newsom, who declared a state of emergency in California last Wednesday, shared positive remarks about the way the president had responded and supported the West Coast state as it allowed the Grand Princess, which had 21 infected passengers aboard, to dock in Oakland.

California's Democrat governor praises Trump's response to Coronavirus on cruise ship

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FOX NEWS FLASH
Published 1 hour ago [03/17/20]
Dr. Ronny Jackson says Trump prevented American coronavirus pandemic on level of Italy, Iran
By Yael Halon | Fox News

Former White House physician Dr. Ronny Jackson praised President Trump Monday night after he announced a list of guidelines that he and the White House coronavirus task force hoped will slow the spread of the pandemic within 15 days.

"The president has done everything he needed to do in this case," Jackson told "Hannity". "He’s acted quickly and decisively. He did what he always has done ... he went with his instincts."

"He put together a top-notch team and he was criticized.... despite that, he carried on and did what he needed to do for our country. He put the [China] travel ban in place," he added.

Jackson said he does not expect the virus to spread at the rate that it has in places like Italy and Iran due to the president's "quick and decisive actions," notably his decision to restrict travel into the U.S. from China in late January.

Dr. Ronny Jackson says Trump prevented American coronavirus pandemic on level of Italy, Iran

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Cuomo Praises Trump’s Coronavirus Response: ‘His Team Is On It’
By MAIREAD MCARDLE
March 17, 2020 11:48 AM

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo praised the Trump administration’s efforts to handle the coronavirus outbreak on Tuesday, after initially criticizing the federal government’s response as “absurd and nonsensical.”

“His team is on it. They’ve been responsive,” Cuomo said at a press conference. “I want to say thank you.”

Cuomo Praises Trump’s Coronavirus Response: ‘His Team Is On It’ | National Review

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60 percent of Americans approve of Trump’s handling of coronavirus: Gallup poll
Joseph Wulfsohn 6 hrs ago [Mar. 25, 2020]

President Trump's approval numbers are as high as they've ever been throughout his presidency as he deals with the coronavirus outbreak, according to the latest Gallup poll.

The poll shows 60 percent of Americans approve of the president's handling of his actions to combat the virus. That includes 94 percent of Republicans and 60 percent of Independents, while just 27 percent of Democrats approve of the president's handling of the outbreak.

Meanwhile, his overall job approval is at 49 percent, which is tied for the highest he has ever been when polled by Gallup. Trump jumped 5 points in the tracking poll from earlier this month.

60 percent of Americans approve of Trump’s handling of coronavirus: Gallup poll

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

A list of potential side-effects is written by lawyers, not scientists.

Madeup nonsense

Hydroxychloroquinine and chloroquinine are not the same thing.

But both are anti viral drugs, and both are undergoing trials to treat covid-19. Didn't know that, did ya? Nope.

The likely side effects of plaquenil are few and hardly dangerous.

False. In the doses that would be used to treat covid-19 patients, they can make people very ill.

Thanks for stopping by to take a crap in the thread.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

It says the memo was dated January 29th the travel ban on China came on the 31st of January two days later.

And the CDC was offered to help on January 6th...

Hmmm, does anyone follow timelines or are people ignoring the fact the WHO informed the U.S. on December 31st 2019 and on January 6th 2020 CDC was offered to help and that memo was weeks later...

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

A memo from Peter Navarro said failure to contain a coronavirus outbreak could lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths and trillions of dollars in economic losses. It is the most direct warning known to have circulated at a key moment among top administration officials.

Trade Adviser Warned White House in January of Risks of a Pandemic (Published 2020)

A memo from Peter Navarro is the most direct warning known to have circulated at a key moment among top administration officials.

www.nytimes.com

I wonder if Navarro himself leaked the memo. It makes him look pretty damn good while it makes Trump look asleep at the wheel, doing nothing to guard the country against this deadly virus despite warnings.

trump had tons of warnings going back to January.

He called it all a hoax and went golfing.

He never called the virus a hoax but your fake outrage and criticism is the hoax to him.

Also on December 31st 2019 the WHO notified the CDC about the outbreak and on January 6th 2020 the U.S. offered to send members of the CDC to help investigate the outbreak...

So let not stop you from lying as usual...

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Trump dithered.
Americans withered...and died.

Childish.....none of the fuckers you support is doing anything and you think you're being clever......all you doing is being a faggot.

Why don't go back to sucking Obama's dick, mkay?

God I hope Trump gets the virus.

You would write something that stupid and then wonder why so many posters mock your retardation!

 

[Markle]

And the CDC was offered to help on January 6th...

Hmmm, does anyone follow timelines or are people ignoring the fact the WHO informed the U.S. on December 31st 2019 and on January 6th 2020 CDC was offered to help and that memo was weeks later...

Hmmmmm...yeah, about that.

Published February 1, 2020
China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'
By Joe McDonald, Sam McNeil | Associated Press
[...]
On Friday, the United States declared a public health emergency and President Donald Trump and an order barring entry to foreign nationals, other than immediate family of American citizens and permanent residents, who visited China within the last 14 days, which scientists say is the virus’s longest incubation period.

'Unfriendly comments'
China criticized the U.S. controls, which it said contradicted the WHO’s appeal to avoid travel bans, and “unfriendly comments” that Beijing was failing to cooperate.

“Just as the WHO recommended against travel restrictions, the U.S. rushed to go in the opposite way. Certainly not a gesture of goodwill,” said foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying.

WHO Secretary-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in Geneva that despite the emergency declaration, there is “no reason for measures that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade.”
[...]
China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'

China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

And the CDC was offered to help on January 6th...

Hmmm, does anyone follow timelines or are people ignoring the fact the WHO informed the U.S. on December 31st 2019 and on January 6th 2020 CDC was offered to help and that memo was weeks later...

Hmmmmm...yeah, about that.

Published February 1, 2020
China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'
By Joe McDonald, Sam McNeil | Associated Press
[...]
On Friday, the United States declared a public health emergency and President Donald Trump and an order barring entry to foreign nationals, other than immediate family of American citizens and permanent residents, who visited China within the last 14 days, which scientists say is the virus’s longest incubation period.

'Unfriendly comments'
China criticized the U.S. controls, which it said contradicted the WHO’s appeal to avoid travel bans, and “unfriendly comments” that Beijing was failing to cooperate.

“Just as the WHO recommended against travel restrictions, the U.S. rushed to go in the opposite way. Certainly not a gesture of goodwill,” said foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying.

WHO Secretary-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in Geneva that despite the emergency declaration, there is “no reason for measures that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade.”
[...]
China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'
China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'

That was China and the WHO stupidity and Trump did the correct course of action...

Also let remember those like Bill de Blasio was telling his residents of New York City to stay home if sick but the rest wash your hands, social distance yourself and get a flu shot and go on with your daily routine if healthy while more or less mocking Trump travel ban...

 

[berg80]

I’m not defending or criticizing the effectiveness of the ban I’m saying Trump took action two days after the memo

Didn't take nearly enough action and what he did do was inconsequential and carried out with Trump's trademark incompetence. Testing for people coming back from China was spotty.

 

[berg80]

And the CDC was offered to help on January 6th...

Hmmm, does anyone follow timelines or are people ignoring the fact the WHO informed the U.S. on December 31st 2019 and on January 6th 2020 CDC was offered to help and that memo was weeks later...

Hmmmmm...yeah, about that.

Published February 1, 2020
China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'
By Joe McDonald, Sam McNeil | Associated Press
[...]
On Friday, the United States declared a public health emergency and President Donald Trump and an order barring entry to foreign nationals, other than immediate family of American citizens and permanent residents, who visited China within the last 14 days, which scientists say is the virus’s longest incubation period.

'Unfriendly comments'
China criticized the U.S. controls, which it said contradicted the WHO’s appeal to avoid travel bans, and “unfriendly comments” that Beijing was failing to cooperate.

“Just as the WHO recommended against travel restrictions, the U.S. rushed to go in the opposite way. Certainly not a gesture of goodwill,” said foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying.

WHO Secretary-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in Geneva that despite the emergency declaration, there is “no reason for measures that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade.”
[...]
China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'
China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'

That was China and the WHO stupidity and Trump did the correct course of action...

Also let remember those like Bill de Blasio was telling his residents of New York City to stay home if sick but the rest wash your hands, social distance yourself and get a flu shot and go on with your daily routine if healthy while more or less mocking Trump travel ban...

Why Public Health Experts Say Trump's Travel Ban Won't Curb the Spread of COVID-19 in the U.S.

Why Public Health Experts Say Trump's Travel Ban Won't Curb the Spread of COVID-19 in the U.S.

President Donald Trump announced on Wednesday night that travel from Europe to the U.S. will be largely suspended for 30 days starting Friday in an...

time.com

Travel bans can't stop this pandemic

Travel bans can’t stop this pandemic

Now is the time to apply known procedures for controlling contagious disease rather than adopting knee-jerk policies such as a travel ban. Policies that put data to work will ultimately be more eff…

thehill.com