Healthy eating for kids

[frigidweirdo]

The problem here is that people are manipulated anyway. They're manipulated as children, they're manipulated as adults. The companies producing sugary foods spend a hell of a lot of money manipulating people.

Coca-Cola Co.: ad spend 2016 | Statistic

"This graph shows the amount that Coca-Cola Co. spent on advertising worldwide from 2014 to 2016. In 2016, Coca-Cola spent about four billion U.S. dollars on advertising. The company's global revenue amounted to about 41.86 billion U.S. dollars in that year."

Yeah, they spend 10% of revenue on advertising. That's a LOT of money. And what is it doing? It's going to manipulate people. People are buying this drink that has absolutely no value for a human at all. In a 12 oz can of Coke there's 39g of sugar.

Scientific experts: Sugar intake 'should be halved' - BBC News

"According to health experts, 5% of daily energy intake is the equivalent of 19g or five sugar cubes for children aged four to six, 24g or six sugar cubes for children aged seven to 10, and 30g or seven sugar cubes for those aged 11 and over, based on average diets."

So, a can of coke has twice the daily sugar for children aged 4-6, it has more than that for 7-10 and it has about the daily recommended intake for anyone over this age on an average diet.

Just on drink.

Coca-Cola Company Statistics - Statistic Brain

Number of coke bottles sold each day 1.8 billion

Wait, WHAT THE FUCK? 1.8 billion bottles of coke are sold a day, there are 7 billion people in the world. So, on average in three and a half days every person drinks a bottle of coke. The chances are that those who drink coke, are, on average drinking at least a bottle a day. In other words, if one in three people drink coke (the obesity rating in the US is 1/3rd, then they're getting their daily recommended value just from that coke. Chances are there are just some people drinking way too much.

https://www.coca-colacompany.com/annual-review/2011/pdf/2011-per-capita-consumption.pdf

Now. the consumption of Coca Cola is highest in Mexico, number 2 on the list of obesity, then Chile, then the US with 403 products consumed per capita per year. So, on average every American is drinking one coke product a day and a little more. Well, we know that averages mean some are drinking far more. Oh, and this doesn't include Pepsi.

So why does this company sell so much of this product that isn't good? Because it's spending a lot of money telling people things.

Lobbying Spending Database - Coca-Cola Co, 2017 | OpenSecrets

Here you can see they spent up to $10 million a year lobbying.

But it gets more interesting:

Taxpayers subsidize about $4 billion worth of soda products

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Taxpayers subsidize about $4 billion worth of soda products"

Yeah. Not only does the govt not want to make healthier food cheaper, it actually goes out of its way to make unhealthy food cheaper.

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I don’t have a problem with food stamps when they are used to purchase health foods, but I do have a problem when people use them to buy junk food. The way I see it, if you want a 2-liter Pepsi, then you should pay for it out of your own pocket, not mine.

When I posed this question to a leading government official with the federal Supplement Nutrition Assistance Program, he told me that it would be too hard to monitor the so-called "good foods" and the "bad foods.""

Yep, it's too hard. Too difficult to bother doing anything that would harm the bad food companies.

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In January of 2012, Coca-Cola lobbied against a bill in Florida that would have added soda, among other items, to the list of SNAP’s prohibited items. Coca-Cola fought a similar effort by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg to ban the use of food stamps on “sugar-sweetened beverages.”

Coke wants food stamp users to buy sodas."

Sure, why not? Coca-Cola is looking out for its interested, the govt is for sale to the highest bidder, sugar based product companies like Coca-Cola, Pepsi etc.

Top 10: US food and beverage manufacturers of 2015

Top 10 food and beverage companies in the US in 2015

1) Pepsi - sugar, sugar, more sugar, fuck loads of sugar, and sugar coming out of your ass.
2) Tyson food inc. Meat based, but I'd bet it's full of chemicals and the like.
3) Nestle, lots of sugar,
4) JBS - meat
5) Coca Cola.

So two of the top five are basically drinks companies that pump sugar into people's bodies. They get subsidies from the govt, they then fight any attempts by govts to prevent people using food stamps etc buying them, the govt plays dumb about being able to do anything about it, chuuuuhhhh ching $$$$$$ they see the money coming in.

The govt isn't representing the people. You want the govt to be neutral. Well it's not, it's PROMOTING unhealthy eating.

You know it doesn't matter how many commercials are on TV EVERYTHING a person puts in his mouth is a choice.
People already know what good food choices are even you do not dispute that.

And even if as kids people eat like crap there is a point in their life where they can change what they eat.

And it is NEVER EVER cheaper to eat prepared boxed or fast food than it is to make your own.

No one is forcing people to eat shit food

And it doesn't matter how many times you say the same thing, it doesn't make it true.

Psychology exists. You're acting like human psychology doesn't exist, that understand the issues doesn't need to happen simply because... well... because it's easier for you to ignore things?

When the govt is told not to allow people to buy crap with food stamps, they say it's too difficult to implement. Just as you're saying it's all about choice.

But the choice seems to be between subsidized CRAP and expensive healthy food which the govt is dissuading you from eating.

And no matter how many times you say that no one is forcing you to do something, it doesn't change the FACT that when the govt promotes sugar, more people eat sugar, and when the govt promotes healthy eating, MORE PEOPLE eat healthier.

Psychology is the study of human behavior

but any human can change his behavior at any time. You deny this and say people are incapable of changing the way they eat unless they are acted on by some outside force different from the outside force that makes them eat like shit.

It doesn't matter what the government does or doesn't do it doesn't matter how many food commercials are on TV it doesn't even matter if your parents fed you like crap

Anyone can at any time change their eating habits and they won't change them unless they want to change them.

People who are fat and stay fat do not want to change

Well, human behavior can possibly change. Some people find it hard to change. I have things about me I've tried to change and I struggle to change them, literally I can't change them.

But with food behavior can be changed, and I'm talking about making those changes, but you don't like the way they'd be implemented. You don't seem to have a problem with the govt making sugary products cheaper, but you have a problem with healthy products being made cheaper. Why is that?

As for people not changing unless they want to change them, I disagree. In fact the evidence is there that when govt changes things, some of those people will change. I showed you about products being taxed more in Hungary and other places and how this saw less people buying these products.

Some people don't want to change, and they don't have to. However some people DO want to change but struggle to do so, and the govt can have a positive impact.

Say, the US has an obesity rating of 30%+ and Germany has one of 12%. So there you have 18% of people who could be less fat, who want to be healthier, and yet struggle to do so, but given some help, they will be.

But hey. If you do this then A) sugary food companies will lose out and politicians will lose their kick backs and B) the health industry will make less money and the politicians will lose their kick backs.

We can't have politicians losing their kick backs just because some people want to be thinner, now can we?

Possibly?

Of course it can change and anyone can do it.

Now you're blaming politicians because some guy can't stop stuffing chips in his mouth.
As long as you keep blaming everyone else but the couch potato whose only exercise is walking to the fridge and lifting a spoonful of ice cream counts as weight lifting you will always be part of the problem and the fat slobs out there will always be victims in your eyes and by doing that you give them an excuse to get fat and stay fat because after all none of it is their fault and everyone else is to blame

The problem is that people DON'T.

How many people have I seen who wanted to give something up and didn't. Why didn't they manage it? Often it's a case of life gets in the way, or people just can't go through with it because temptation is just too great. Whatever it is. With sugary food you go to a supermarket and it's there, some people feel one way and then buy it. One of plenty of reasons.

The point is that as humans we often can't do something we could do for many reasons. One of those is eating healthily. In the US unhealthy food is promoted at every opportunity and is cheap because the companies who make them aren't pay much in tax, get subsidies and the like.

But your "you're blaming politicians", so, you think it's perfectly fair that politicians go and make sugary food much cheaper?

Seriously, why the hell do you think the US has a massive obesity level? Are you seriously suggesting it's because Americans are just weak assed fat bastards who couldn't do anything good for themselves? Are you suggesting that people in other countries are better than Americans?

Sounds like it.

Or perhaps there are other reasons why the US has the worst obesity problem in the world. But you can't really explain it, can you?

 

[frigidweirdo]

You're dealing with a lot more than just simple "depending on YOUR choices". You're dealing with psychology, mental problems, poverty and the like. But hey, you can ignore all of that, right?

Don't give me that shit.

Anyone can change their habits if they want to.
and poor people all over the planet manage to eat and not be obese. It is never more expensive to eat real food than it is to buy prepared boxed crap.

Yes, anyone can change their habits if they want to. So why don't they want to? Why does a person who is fat and hates being fat not change their habits? Why?

There must be a reason why, and every time you ignore the reasons why. So please, tell me why.

The why is easy

It's takes more effort than doing nothing and there will be discomfort involved.

The minute people feel the carb flu as they adjust to a better diet or are hungry they want to end the discomfort

People who start exercising stop because their bodies are sore and tired and it's a lot easier to sit on the couch with a bag of chips

If a person really and truly hated being fat he wouldn't be fat

One thing is truly hating being fat, and the other is not liking being fat. People don't want to be fat, but struggle to be thinner for many different reasons. But hey, you don't give a shit, remember?

That does not change the fact that if people really wanted to be thin they would be.
You want to blame the food companies, TV commercials and politicians but not the fat ass who eats oreos all day

Yeah, I guess if people wanted to be nuclear physicists then all they need to do is study a little harder too.

Dude, you live in some weird fucking wonderland, ignoring reality left right and fucking center.

 

[dblack]

The main thing is, government should be in charge of telling us what to eat.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Stupid? How patriotic is it to call the compatriots of your country summarily stupid? Also, most big corporations want you to be stupid when they hire you, because that way they can control what you think.

Edit: it's okay if they are stupid, I think, but I want them shapely not fat. What can we tell them?

You make it sound so fucking difficult for a person to think ahead about what he's going to eat

If you can't figure out that if you might be asked to work late and you don't want to eat the shit food provided by the boss that you should bring your own then yes you are a fucking idiot

And there are plenty of fucking idiots out there. That's the reality of life. So, what do you do about it? Just say "I don't care" or try and make life better for society?

Because in the US it's usually the former, hence why murder rates are too high, crime is too high, people feel unsafe, people are fat, the prison population is overflowing, education is underwhelming, healthcare is fucking expensive.....

Our murder rate is no higher than it was in 1950.

Why do I have to do anything about the choices other people make of their own free will?
I don't want people meddling in my life so I don't meddle in other peoples' lives.

We have no obligation to "society" We do have an obligation to respect the liberties of others if my neighbor wants to eat cake pie and ice cream all day long it's none of my business

So what? It was higher in the 1950s than western Europe and it's higher now that Western Europe.

Yeah, why do you have to do anything? Why do you have to give a shit about other people? You don't. You can be as selfish as you like. But then again I'll fight for society to be a better place, and you'll fight for society to be a more selfish place.

Me letting people live their lives as they choose is not being selfish

But tell me what do you call a person who wants to tell everyone else how to live?

and we are not and never have been western Europe. I hope to god we never will be because those countries are all falling apart

But you're not into just letting them live their lives, are you? You seem to be in favor of sugary food companies being given a boost, that's fine, but giving healthy food companies a boost is some how not letting people live their lives. What they FUCK?

 

[frigidweirdo]

The main thing is, government should be in charge of telling us what to eat.

I'm not sure if you meant to say "shouldn't" or not. But the issue isn't this at all.

Issue 1 is that the government gives sugary food companies massive tax breaks and the like which means sugary foods are much cheaper than healthy foods.

Issue 2 is about educating kids about how to eat healthily, and to also educate them to get used to the taste of healthy food if they're eating school meals.

 

[dblack]

The main thing is, government should be in charge of telling us what to eat.

I'm not sure if you meant to say "shouldn't" or not. But the issue isn't this at all.

Issue 1 is that the government gives sugary food companies massive tax breaks and the like which means sugary foods are much cheaper than healthy foods.

Issue 2 is about educating kids about how to eat healthily, and to also educate them to get used to the taste of healthy food if they're eating school meals.

Yes. I was being sarcastic.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The main thing is, government should be in charge of telling us what to eat.

I'm not sure if you meant to say "shouldn't" or not. But the issue isn't this at all.

Issue 1 is that the government gives sugary food companies massive tax breaks and the like which means sugary foods are much cheaper than healthy foods.

Issue 2 is about educating kids about how to eat healthily, and to also educate them to get used to the taste of healthy food if they're eating school meals.

Yes. I was being sarcastic.

Good for you, but you should know sarcasm doesn't come across very well like this. But you could discuss the points made.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You know it doesn't matter how many commercials are on TV EVERYTHING a person puts in his mouth is a choice.
People already know what good food choices are even you do not dispute that.

And even if as kids people eat like crap there is a point in their life where they can change what they eat.

And it is NEVER EVER cheaper to eat prepared boxed or fast food than it is to make your own.

No one is forcing people to eat shit food

And it doesn't matter how many times you say the same thing, it doesn't make it true.

Psychology exists. You're acting like human psychology doesn't exist, that understand the issues doesn't need to happen simply because... well... because it's easier for you to ignore things?

When the govt is told not to allow people to buy crap with food stamps, they say it's too difficult to implement. Just as you're saying it's all about choice.

But the choice seems to be between subsidized CRAP and expensive healthy food which the govt is dissuading you from eating.

And no matter how many times you say that no one is forcing you to do something, it doesn't change the FACT that when the govt promotes sugar, more people eat sugar, and when the govt promotes healthy eating, MORE PEOPLE eat healthier.

Psychology is the study of human behavior

but any human can change his behavior at any time. You deny this and say people are incapable of changing the way they eat unless they are acted on by some outside force different from the outside force that makes them eat like shit.

It doesn't matter what the government does or doesn't do it doesn't matter how many food commercials are on TV it doesn't even matter if your parents fed you like crap

Anyone can at any time change their eating habits and they won't change them unless they want to change them.

People who are fat and stay fat do not want to change

Well, human behavior can possibly change. Some people find it hard to change. I have things about me I've tried to change and I struggle to change them, literally I can't change them.

But with food behavior can be changed, and I'm talking about making those changes, but you don't like the way they'd be implemented. You don't seem to have a problem with the govt making sugary products cheaper, but you have a problem with healthy products being made cheaper. Why is that?

As for people not changing unless they want to change them, I disagree. In fact the evidence is there that when govt changes things, some of those people will change. I showed you about products being taxed more in Hungary and other places and how this saw less people buying these products.

Some people don't want to change, and they don't have to. However some people DO want to change but struggle to do so, and the govt can have a positive impact.

Say, the US has an obesity rating of 30%+ and Germany has one of 12%. So there you have 18% of people who could be less fat, who want to be healthier, and yet struggle to do so, but given some help, they will be.

But hey. If you do this then A) sugary food companies will lose out and politicians will lose their kick backs and B) the health industry will make less money and the politicians will lose their kick backs.

We can't have politicians losing their kick backs just because some people want to be thinner, now can we?

Possibly?

Of course it can change and anyone can do it.

Now you're blaming politicians because some guy can't stop stuffing chips in his mouth.
As long as you keep blaming everyone else but the couch potato whose only exercise is walking to the fridge and lifting a spoonful of ice cream counts as weight lifting you will always be part of the problem and the fat slobs out there will always be victims in your eyes and by doing that you give them an excuse to get fat and stay fat because after all none of it is their fault and everyone else is to blame

The problem is that people DON'T.

How many people have I seen who wanted to give something up and didn't. Why didn't they manage it? Often it's a case of life gets in the way, or people just can't go through with it because temptation is just too great. Whatever it is. With sugary food you go to a supermarket and it's there, some people feel one way and then buy it. One of plenty of reasons.

The point is that as humans we often can't do something we could do for many reasons. One of those is eating healthily. In the US unhealthy food is promoted at every opportunity and is cheap because the companies who make them aren't pay much in tax, get subsidies and the like.

But your "you're blaming politicians", so, you think it's perfectly fair that politicians go and make sugary food much cheaper?

Seriously, why the hell do you think the US has a massive obesity level? Are you seriously suggesting it's because Americans are just weak assed fat bastards who couldn't do anything good for themselves? Are you suggesting that people in other countries are better than Americans?

Sounds like it.

Or perhaps there are other reasons why the US has the worst obesity problem in the world. But you can't really explain it, can you?

I can and did explain it.

We have become fat and lazy. Americans want everything the easy way. That's why any diet pill or exercise gizmo makes millions of dollars for the people selling them.

Everyone and I do mean everyone knows that you don't need a pill or some ridiculous piece of equipment to get into shape

You have to pit down the fucking pie, get up off your fat ass and move

People don't do it because they don't want to.

People can walk into any market and just as easily fill their carts with good wholesome real food for less than they can buy all the prepared shit and many do those that don't don't want to and they will give you every excuse in the book why thy don't want to only they like you will say "They can't"

the difference between you and me is that I will call them on their bullshit and you'll tell them it's not their fault they are fat slobs

 

[Skull Pilot]

You make it sound so fucking difficult for a person to think ahead about what he's going to eat

If you can't figure out that if you might be asked to work late and you don't want to eat the shit food provided by the boss that you should bring your own then yes you are a fucking idiot

And there are plenty of fucking idiots out there. That's the reality of life. So, what do you do about it? Just say "I don't care" or try and make life better for society?

Because in the US it's usually the former, hence why murder rates are too high, crime is too high, people feel unsafe, people are fat, the prison population is overflowing, education is underwhelming, healthcare is fucking expensive.....

Our murder rate is no higher than it was in 1950.

Why do I have to do anything about the choices other people make of their own free will?
I don't want people meddling in my life so I don't meddle in other peoples' lives.

We have no obligation to "society" We do have an obligation to respect the liberties of others if my neighbor wants to eat cake pie and ice cream all day long it's none of my business

So what? It was higher in the 1950s than western Europe and it's higher now that Western Europe.

Yeah, why do you have to do anything? Why do you have to give a shit about other people? You don't. You can be as selfish as you like. But then again I'll fight for society to be a better place, and you'll fight for society to be a more selfish place.

Me letting people live their lives as they choose is not being selfish

But tell me what do you call a person who wants to tell everyone else how to live?

and we are not and never have been western Europe. I hope to god we never will be because those countries are all falling apart

But you're not into just letting them live their lives, are you? You seem to be in favor of sugary food companies being given a boost, that's fine, but giving healthy food companies a boost is some how not letting people live their lives. What they FUCK?

tell me what does a food company have to do with what I eat?

Oh yeah NOTHING.

IDGAF how many tax breaks Coca Cola gets. I don't drink soda. Period. Coke getting a tax break (if they do) doesn't force anyone to drink soda

I don't care if there's 5 aisles of soda in every store I don't buy it and no one is forced to buy it. They buy it because THEY WANT TO

Water is cheaper than soda, you can make gallons of ice tea at home for pennies a serving.
SO despite what you say it is NOT cheaper to eat prepared shit food.

Rice, beans, oatmeal, flour eggs and milk are all cheaper than buying prepared boxed shit food.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You make it sound so fucking difficult for a person to think ahead about what he's going to eat

If you can't figure out that if you might be asked to work late and you don't want to eat the shit food provided by the boss that you should bring your own then yes you are a fucking idiot

And there are plenty of fucking idiots out there. That's the reality of life. So, what do you do about it? Just say "I don't care" or try and make life better for society?

Because in the US it's usually the former, hence why murder rates are too high, crime is too high, people feel unsafe, people are fat, the prison population is overflowing, education is underwhelming, healthcare is fucking expensive.....

Our murder rate is no higher than it was in 1950.

Why do I have to do anything about the choices other people make of their own free will?
I don't want people meddling in my life so I don't meddle in other peoples' lives.

We have no obligation to "society" We do have an obligation to respect the liberties of others if my neighbor wants to eat cake pie and ice cream all day long it's none of my business

So what? It was higher in the 1950s than western Europe and it's higher now that Western Europe.

Yeah, why do you have to do anything? Why do you have to give a shit about other people? You don't. You can be as selfish as you like. But then again I'll fight for society to be a better place, and you'll fight for society to be a more selfish place.

Me letting people live their lives as they choose is not being selfish

But tell me what do you call a person who wants to tell everyone else how to live?

and we are not and never have been western Europe. I hope to god we never will be because those countries are all falling apart

But you're not into just letting them live their lives, are you? You seem to be in favor of sugary food companies being given a boost, that's fine, but giving healthy food companies a boost is some how not letting people live their lives. What they FUCK?

I'm not for any company getting any money from the government. You are though as long as you think it's the "good" kind of company

but government treatment of any company does not force people to buy their products

 

[Skull Pilot]

Don't give me that shit.

Anyone can change their habits if they want to.
and poor people all over the planet manage to eat and not be obese. It is never more expensive to eat real food than it is to buy prepared boxed crap.

Yes, anyone can change their habits if they want to. So why don't they want to? Why does a person who is fat and hates being fat not change their habits? Why?

There must be a reason why, and every time you ignore the reasons why. So please, tell me why.

The why is easy

It's takes more effort than doing nothing and there will be discomfort involved.

The minute people feel the carb flu as they adjust to a better diet or are hungry they want to end the discomfort

People who start exercising stop because their bodies are sore and tired and it's a lot easier to sit on the couch with a bag of chips

If a person really and truly hated being fat he wouldn't be fat

One thing is truly hating being fat, and the other is not liking being fat. People don't want to be fat, but struggle to be thinner for many different reasons. But hey, you don't give a shit, remember?

That does not change the fact that if people really wanted to be thin they would be.
You want to blame the food companies, TV commercials and politicians but not the fat ass who eats oreos all day

Yeah, I guess if people wanted to be nuclear physicists then all they need to do is study a little harder too.

Dude, you live in some weird fucking wonderland, ignoring reality left right and fucking center.

invalid comparison.

it doesn't take a PhD to eat better.

You don't deny that everyone already knows an apple is better for you than a Snickers bar

 

[frigidweirdo]

And it doesn't matter how many times you say the same thing, it doesn't make it true.

Psychology exists. You're acting like human psychology doesn't exist, that understand the issues doesn't need to happen simply because... well... because it's easier for you to ignore things?

When the govt is told not to allow people to buy crap with food stamps, they say it's too difficult to implement. Just as you're saying it's all about choice.

But the choice seems to be between subsidized CRAP and expensive healthy food which the govt is dissuading you from eating.

And no matter how many times you say that no one is forcing you to do something, it doesn't change the FACT that when the govt promotes sugar, more people eat sugar, and when the govt promotes healthy eating, MORE PEOPLE eat healthier.

Psychology is the study of human behavior

but any human can change his behavior at any time. You deny this and say people are incapable of changing the way they eat unless they are acted on by some outside force different from the outside force that makes them eat like shit.

It doesn't matter what the government does or doesn't do it doesn't matter how many food commercials are on TV it doesn't even matter if your parents fed you like crap

Anyone can at any time change their eating habits and they won't change them unless they want to change them.

People who are fat and stay fat do not want to change

Well, human behavior can possibly change. Some people find it hard to change. I have things about me I've tried to change and I struggle to change them, literally I can't change them.

But with food behavior can be changed, and I'm talking about making those changes, but you don't like the way they'd be implemented. You don't seem to have a problem with the govt making sugary products cheaper, but you have a problem with healthy products being made cheaper. Why is that?

As for people not changing unless they want to change them, I disagree. In fact the evidence is there that when govt changes things, some of those people will change. I showed you about products being taxed more in Hungary and other places and how this saw less people buying these products.

Some people don't want to change, and they don't have to. However some people DO want to change but struggle to do so, and the govt can have a positive impact.

Say, the US has an obesity rating of 30%+ and Germany has one of 12%. So there you have 18% of people who could be less fat, who want to be healthier, and yet struggle to do so, but given some help, they will be.

But hey. If you do this then A) sugary food companies will lose out and politicians will lose their kick backs and B) the health industry will make less money and the politicians will lose their kick backs.

We can't have politicians losing their kick backs just because some people want to be thinner, now can we?

Possibly?

Of course it can change and anyone can do it.

Now you're blaming politicians because some guy can't stop stuffing chips in his mouth.
As long as you keep blaming everyone else but the couch potato whose only exercise is walking to the fridge and lifting a spoonful of ice cream counts as weight lifting you will always be part of the problem and the fat slobs out there will always be victims in your eyes and by doing that you give them an excuse to get fat and stay fat because after all none of it is their fault and everyone else is to blame

The problem is that people DON'T.

How many people have I seen who wanted to give something up and didn't. Why didn't they manage it? Often it's a case of life gets in the way, or people just can't go through with it because temptation is just too great. Whatever it is. With sugary food you go to a supermarket and it's there, some people feel one way and then buy it. One of plenty of reasons.

The point is that as humans we often can't do something we could do for many reasons. One of those is eating healthily. In the US unhealthy food is promoted at every opportunity and is cheap because the companies who make them aren't pay much in tax, get subsidies and the like.

But your "you're blaming politicians", so, you think it's perfectly fair that politicians go and make sugary food much cheaper?

Seriously, why the hell do you think the US has a massive obesity level? Are you seriously suggesting it's because Americans are just weak assed fat bastards who couldn't do anything good for themselves? Are you suggesting that people in other countries are better than Americans?

Sounds like it.

Or perhaps there are other reasons why the US has the worst obesity problem in the world. But you can't really explain it, can you?

I can and did explain it.

We have become fat and lazy. Americans want everything the easy way. That's why any diet pill or exercise gizmo makes millions of dollars for the people selling them.

Everyone and I do mean everyone knows that you don't need a pill or some ridiculous piece of equipment to get into shape

You have to pit down the fucking pie, get up off your fat ass and move

People don't do it because they don't want to.

People can walk into any market and just as easily fill their carts with good wholesome real food for less than they can buy all the prepared shit and many do those that don't don't want to and they will give you every excuse in the book why thy don't want to only they like you will say "They can't"

the difference between you and me is that I will call them on their bullshit and you'll tell them it's not their fault they are fat slobs

So why have Americans become far fatter and lazier than other countries?

And the question is, if this is so, then how do you change this? Or you don't change it, you just watch your country disintegrate because, hey, fuck it, this country isn't my problem.

Actually no, you're wrong that you call them out on bullshit and I'll say it's not their fault. You don't seem to understand where I'm coming from.

My point is that there is a problem and the problem can be dealt with through education and through incentives for health food, rather than sugary food.

Your point seems to be, fuck it, there's a problem, but it ain't MY problem, so do nothing.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And there are plenty of fucking idiots out there. That's the reality of life. So, what do you do about it? Just say "I don't care" or try and make life better for society?

Because in the US it's usually the former, hence why murder rates are too high, crime is too high, people feel unsafe, people are fat, the prison population is overflowing, education is underwhelming, healthcare is fucking expensive.....

Our murder rate is no higher than it was in 1950.

Why do I have to do anything about the choices other people make of their own free will?
I don't want people meddling in my life so I don't meddle in other peoples' lives.

We have no obligation to "society" We do have an obligation to respect the liberties of others if my neighbor wants to eat cake pie and ice cream all day long it's none of my business

So what? It was higher in the 1950s than western Europe and it's higher now that Western Europe.

Yeah, why do you have to do anything? Why do you have to give a shit about other people? You don't. You can be as selfish as you like. But then again I'll fight for society to be a better place, and you'll fight for society to be a more selfish place.

Me letting people live their lives as they choose is not being selfish

But tell me what do you call a person who wants to tell everyone else how to live?

and we are not and never have been western Europe. I hope to god we never will be because those countries are all falling apart

But you're not into just letting them live their lives, are you? You seem to be in favor of sugary food companies being given a boost, that's fine, but giving healthy food companies a boost is some how not letting people live their lives. What they FUCK?

I'm not for any company getting any money from the government. You are though as long as you think it's the "good" kind of company

but government treatment of any company does not force people to buy their products

No, it doesn't. But if a product is seen as affordable, more people are likely to buy it, aren't they?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes, anyone can change their habits if they want to. So why don't they want to? Why does a person who is fat and hates being fat not change their habits? Why?

There must be a reason why, and every time you ignore the reasons why. So please, tell me why.

The why is easy

It's takes more effort than doing nothing and there will be discomfort involved.

The minute people feel the carb flu as they adjust to a better diet or are hungry they want to end the discomfort

People who start exercising stop because their bodies are sore and tired and it's a lot easier to sit on the couch with a bag of chips

If a person really and truly hated being fat he wouldn't be fat

One thing is truly hating being fat, and the other is not liking being fat. People don't want to be fat, but struggle to be thinner for many different reasons. But hey, you don't give a shit, remember?

That does not change the fact that if people really wanted to be thin they would be.
You want to blame the food companies, TV commercials and politicians but not the fat ass who eats oreos all day

Yeah, I guess if people wanted to be nuclear physicists then all they need to do is study a little harder too.

Dude, you live in some weird fucking wonderland, ignoring reality left right and fucking center.

invalid comparison.

it doesn't take a PhD to eat better.

You don't deny that everyone already knows an apple is better for you than a Snickers bar

No, I don't deny it. However do you deny that there is a problem with obesity in the US that is far worse than any other country? Or that there's a problem in the US with the country not dealing with its problems and letting things rot? And your answer to such things is to not deal with the problems and let them rot. Hmm, amazing.

 

[anotherlife]

And there are plenty of fucking idiots out there. That's the reality of life. So, what do you do about it? Just say "I don't care" or try and make life better for society?

Because in the US it's usually the former, hence why murder rates are too high, crime is too high, people feel unsafe, people are fat, the prison population is overflowing, education is underwhelming, healthcare is fucking expensive.....

Our murder rate is no higher than it was in 1950.

Why do I have to do anything about the choices other people make of their own free will?
I don't want people meddling in my life so I don't meddle in other peoples' lives.

We have no obligation to "society" We do have an obligation to respect the liberties of others if my neighbor wants to eat cake pie and ice cream all day long it's none of my business

So what? It was higher in the 1950s than western Europe and it's higher now that Western Europe.

Yeah, why do you have to do anything? Why do you have to give a shit about other people? You don't. You can be as selfish as you like. But then again I'll fight for society to be a better place, and you'll fight for society to be a more selfish place.

Me letting people live their lives as they choose is not being selfish

But tell me what do you call a person who wants to tell everyone else how to live?

and we are not and never have been western Europe. I hope to god we never will be because those countries are all falling apart

But you're not into just letting them live their lives, are you? You seem to be in favor of sugary food companies being given a boost, that's fine, but giving healthy food companies a boost is some how not letting people live their lives. What they FUCK?

I'm not for any company getting any money from the government. You are though as long as you think it's the "good" kind of company

but government treatment of any company does not force people to buy their products

But yes it does because it pushes others out of business. And what makes you think you shouldn't dictate to others what they eat or do, when others already dictate to you that you are not allowed to walk or bus to work instead of fattening yourself by your car?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Our murder rate is no higher than it was in 1950.

Why do I have to do anything about the choices other people make of their own free will?
I don't want people meddling in my life so I don't meddle in other peoples' lives.

We have no obligation to "society" We do have an obligation to respect the liberties of others if my neighbor wants to eat cake pie and ice cream all day long it's none of my business

So what? It was higher in the 1950s than western Europe and it's higher now that Western Europe.

Yeah, why do you have to do anything? Why do you have to give a shit about other people? You don't. You can be as selfish as you like. But then again I'll fight for society to be a better place, and you'll fight for society to be a more selfish place.

Me letting people live their lives as they choose is not being selfish

But tell me what do you call a person who wants to tell everyone else how to live?

and we are not and never have been western Europe. I hope to god we never will be because those countries are all falling apart

But you're not into just letting them live their lives, are you? You seem to be in favor of sugary food companies being given a boost, that's fine, but giving healthy food companies a boost is some how not letting people live their lives. What they FUCK?

I'm not for any company getting any money from the government. You are though as long as you think it's the "good" kind of company

but government treatment of any company does not force people to buy their products

No, it doesn't. But if a product is seen as affordable, more people are likely to buy it, aren't they?

only if they CHOOSE to buy it

No one has to buy anything they don't want to buy.
Just because Ramen noodles are 5 for a dollar doesn't mean anyone has to buy them.

You completely ignore the fact that every single person has a choice to buy and eat what they want
and you'd rather blame their choices on everything else but the person

 

[Skull Pilot]

Our murder rate is no higher than it was in 1950.

Why do I have to do anything about the choices other people make of their own free will?
I don't want people meddling in my life so I don't meddle in other peoples' lives.

We have no obligation to "society" We do have an obligation to respect the liberties of others if my neighbor wants to eat cake pie and ice cream all day long it's none of my business

So what? It was higher in the 1950s than western Europe and it's higher now that Western Europe.

Yeah, why do you have to do anything? Why do you have to give a shit about other people? You don't. You can be as selfish as you like. But then again I'll fight for society to be a better place, and you'll fight for society to be a more selfish place.

Me letting people live their lives as they choose is not being selfish

But tell me what do you call a person who wants to tell everyone else how to live?

and we are not and never have been western Europe. I hope to god we never will be because those countries are all falling apart

But you're not into just letting them live their lives, are you? You seem to be in favor of sugary food companies being given a boost, that's fine, but giving healthy food companies a boost is some how not letting people live their lives. What they FUCK?

I'm not for any company getting any money from the government. You are though as long as you think it's the "good" kind of company

but government treatment of any company does not force people to buy their products

But yes it does because it pushes others out of business. And what makes you think you shouldn't dictate to others what they eat or do, when others already dictate to you that you are not allowed to walk or bus to work instead of fattening yourself by your car?

really?
Has there ever been a time where apples were unavailable because all the orchards were out of business?

if you choose to eat real food it doesn't matter how many companies that produce shit food go out of business

so now driving makes you fat? So those people that drive to a gym every morning are getting fatter? weight loss is 75% diet.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Psychology is the study of human behavior

but any human can change his behavior at any time. You deny this and say people are incapable of changing the way they eat unless they are acted on by some outside force different from the outside force that makes them eat like shit.

It doesn't matter what the government does or doesn't do it doesn't matter how many food commercials are on TV it doesn't even matter if your parents fed you like crap

Anyone can at any time change their eating habits and they won't change them unless they want to change them.

People who are fat and stay fat do not want to change

Well, human behavior can possibly change. Some people find it hard to change. I have things about me I've tried to change and I struggle to change them, literally I can't change them.

But with food behavior can be changed, and I'm talking about making those changes, but you don't like the way they'd be implemented. You don't seem to have a problem with the govt making sugary products cheaper, but you have a problem with healthy products being made cheaper. Why is that?

As for people not changing unless they want to change them, I disagree. In fact the evidence is there that when govt changes things, some of those people will change. I showed you about products being taxed more in Hungary and other places and how this saw less people buying these products.

Some people don't want to change, and they don't have to. However some people DO want to change but struggle to do so, and the govt can have a positive impact.

Say, the US has an obesity rating of 30%+ and Germany has one of 12%. So there you have 18% of people who could be less fat, who want to be healthier, and yet struggle to do so, but given some help, they will be.

But hey. If you do this then A) sugary food companies will lose out and politicians will lose their kick backs and B) the health industry will make less money and the politicians will lose their kick backs.

We can't have politicians losing their kick backs just because some people want to be thinner, now can we?

Possibly?

Of course it can change and anyone can do it.

Now you're blaming politicians because some guy can't stop stuffing chips in his mouth.
As long as you keep blaming everyone else but the couch potato whose only exercise is walking to the fridge and lifting a spoonful of ice cream counts as weight lifting you will always be part of the problem and the fat slobs out there will always be victims in your eyes and by doing that you give them an excuse to get fat and stay fat because after all none of it is their fault and everyone else is to blame

The problem is that people DON'T.

How many people have I seen who wanted to give something up and didn't. Why didn't they manage it? Often it's a case of life gets in the way, or people just can't go through with it because temptation is just too great. Whatever it is. With sugary food you go to a supermarket and it's there, some people feel one way and then buy it. One of plenty of reasons.

The point is that as humans we often can't do something we could do for many reasons. One of those is eating healthily. In the US unhealthy food is promoted at every opportunity and is cheap because the companies who make them aren't pay much in tax, get subsidies and the like.

But your "you're blaming politicians", so, you think it's perfectly fair that politicians go and make sugary food much cheaper?

Seriously, why the hell do you think the US has a massive obesity level? Are you seriously suggesting it's because Americans are just weak assed fat bastards who couldn't do anything good for themselves? Are you suggesting that people in other countries are better than Americans?

Sounds like it.

Or perhaps there are other reasons why the US has the worst obesity problem in the world. But you can't really explain it, can you?

I can and did explain it.

We have become fat and lazy. Americans want everything the easy way. That's why any diet pill or exercise gizmo makes millions of dollars for the people selling them.

Everyone and I do mean everyone knows that you don't need a pill or some ridiculous piece of equipment to get into shape

You have to pit down the fucking pie, get up off your fat ass and move

People don't do it because they don't want to.

People can walk into any market and just as easily fill their carts with good wholesome real food for less than they can buy all the prepared shit and many do those that don't don't want to and they will give you every excuse in the book why thy don't want to only they like you will say "They can't"

the difference between you and me is that I will call them on their bullshit and you'll tell them it's not their fault they are fat slobs

So why have Americans become far fatter and lazier than other countries?

And the question is, if this is so, then how do you change this? Or you don't change it, you just watch your country disintegrate because, hey, fuck it, this country isn't my problem.

Actually no, you're wrong that you call them out on bullshit and I'll say it's not their fault. You don't seem to understand where I'm coming from.

My point is that there is a problem and the problem can be dealt with through education and through incentives for health food, rather than sugary food.

Your point seems to be, fuck it, there's a problem, but it ain't MY problem, so do nothing.

and my point is we don't need the fucking government telling us what to eat and using taxes for penalties and incentives.

And it isn't my problem. Really how does a fat guy who chooses to sit on the couch all day eating chips and ice cream affect my life?

and why do you insist on teaching people what they already know?

 

[dblack]

Well, human behavior can possibly change. Some people find it hard to change. I have things about me I've tried to change and I struggle to change them, literally I can't change them.

But with food behavior can be changed, and I'm talking about making those changes, but you don't like the way they'd be implemented. You don't seem to have a problem with the govt making sugary products cheaper, but you have a problem with healthy products being made cheaper. Why is that?

As for people not changing unless they want to change them, I disagree. In fact the evidence is there that when govt changes things, some of those people will change. I showed you about products being taxed more in Hungary and other places and how this saw less people buying these products.

Some people don't want to change, and they don't have to. However some people DO want to change but struggle to do so, and the govt can have a positive impact.

Say, the US has an obesity rating of 30%+ and Germany has one of 12%. So there you have 18% of people who could be less fat, who want to be healthier, and yet struggle to do so, but given some help, they will be.

But hey. If you do this then A) sugary food companies will lose out and politicians will lose their kick backs and B) the health industry will make less money and the politicians will lose their kick backs.

We can't have politicians losing their kick backs just because some people want to be thinner, now can we?

Possibly?

Of course it can change and anyone can do it.

Now you're blaming politicians because some guy can't stop stuffing chips in his mouth.
As long as you keep blaming everyone else but the couch potato whose only exercise is walking to the fridge and lifting a spoonful of ice cream counts as weight lifting you will always be part of the problem and the fat slobs out there will always be victims in your eyes and by doing that you give them an excuse to get fat and stay fat because after all none of it is their fault and everyone else is to blame

The problem is that people DON'T.

How many people have I seen who wanted to give something up and didn't. Why didn't they manage it? Often it's a case of life gets in the way, or people just can't go through with it because temptation is just too great. Whatever it is. With sugary food you go to a supermarket and it's there, some people feel one way and then buy it. One of plenty of reasons.

The point is that as humans we often can't do something we could do for many reasons. One of those is eating healthily. In the US unhealthy food is promoted at every opportunity and is cheap because the companies who make them aren't pay much in tax, get subsidies and the like.

But your "you're blaming politicians", so, you think it's perfectly fair that politicians go and make sugary food much cheaper?

Seriously, why the hell do you think the US has a massive obesity level? Are you seriously suggesting it's because Americans are just weak assed fat bastards who couldn't do anything good for themselves? Are you suggesting that people in other countries are better than Americans?

Sounds like it.

Or perhaps there are other reasons why the US has the worst obesity problem in the world. But you can't really explain it, can you?

I can and did explain it.

We have become fat and lazy. Americans want everything the easy way. That's why any diet pill or exercise gizmo makes millions of dollars for the people selling them.

Everyone and I do mean everyone knows that you don't need a pill or some ridiculous piece of equipment to get into shape

You have to pit down the fucking pie, get up off your fat ass and move

People don't do it because they don't want to.

People can walk into any market and just as easily fill their carts with good wholesome real food for less than they can buy all the prepared shit and many do those that don't don't want to and they will give you every excuse in the book why thy don't want to only they like you will say "They can't"

the difference between you and me is that I will call them on their bullshit and you'll tell them it's not their fault they are fat slobs

So why have Americans become far fatter and lazier than other countries?

And the question is, if this is so, then how do you change this? Or you don't change it, you just watch your country disintegrate because, hey, fuck it, this country isn't my problem.

Actually no, you're wrong that you call them out on bullshit and I'll say it's not their fault. You don't seem to understand where I'm coming from.

My point is that there is a problem and the problem can be dealt with through education and through incentives for health food, rather than sugary food.

Your point seems to be, fuck it, there's a problem, but it ain't MY problem, so do nothing.

and my point is we don't need the fucking government telling us what to eat and using taxes for penalties and incentives.

And it isn't my problem. Really how does a fat guy who chooses to sit on the couch all day eating chips and ice cream affect my life?

and why do you insist on teaching people what they already know?

The problem starts with thinking of society as yours - or anyone's - to control.

There are lots of societal problems that can be solved through "education and incentives". What we need to realize is that "education and incentives" imposed by the government are mandates, and every bit as coercive as other laws. They're not harmless merely because someone proposing them has good intentions.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So what? It was higher in the 1950s than western Europe and it's higher now that Western Europe.

Yeah, why do you have to do anything? Why do you have to give a shit about other people? You don't. You can be as selfish as you like. But then again I'll fight for society to be a better place, and you'll fight for society to be a more selfish place.

Me letting people live their lives as they choose is not being selfish

But tell me what do you call a person who wants to tell everyone else how to live?

and we are not and never have been western Europe. I hope to god we never will be because those countries are all falling apart

But you're not into just letting them live their lives, are you? You seem to be in favor of sugary food companies being given a boost, that's fine, but giving healthy food companies a boost is some how not letting people live their lives. What they FUCK?

I'm not for any company getting any money from the government. You are though as long as you think it's the "good" kind of company

but government treatment of any company does not force people to buy their products

No, it doesn't. But if a product is seen as affordable, more people are likely to buy it, aren't they?

only if they CHOOSE to buy it

No one has to buy anything they don't want to buy.
Just because Ramen noodles are 5 for a dollar doesn't mean anyone has to buy them.

You completely ignore the fact that every single person has a choice to buy and eat what they want
and you'd rather blame their choices on everything else but the person

Of course people have this choice.

But people make choices based on what is perceived as being affordable.

Health tax discourages sugar alternatives, says Hunbisco

This article said (it's copyright protected) that basically people would buy less sugary products and switch over to other products, like popcorn. So, why did people choose to change what they buy? Well, because of the price.

‘Fat taxes’ do work, EU report finds

"Specific taxes on sugar, salt or fat do cause reductions in consumption, the European Commission found in a new report. But higher taxes may also merely encourage consumers to go for cheaper products, it warned."

A lot of people who don't have too much money to throw around, will be looking for what they see as a bargain.

What is cheap in the US are sugary products from the big producers, for the simple reason that they almost certainly don't pay as much tax as other food items, especially healthy food. So the choice is there of spending more money for healthy food, or less for unhealthy food. What a choice, and some people will go for cheaper.