Health Care Passes

boedicca

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What does it say about a cause when the only way it defines success is by someone else's defeat?
 

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What does it say about a cause when the only way it defines success is by someone else's defeat?
He didn't say that was the only criterion. Just that the Republicans failed.




And it's true, too. :)
 

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Actually, it's the American People who lost.

You just don't understand how and why - and it's doubtful you will.
 

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Itr was a 2 horse race.
One wins and one looses. Unless all vote for it and then everyone wins.
See the republicans could have won if they had voted for it.
 

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Itr was a 2 horse race.
One wins and one looses. Unless all vote for it and then everyone wins.
See the republicans could have won if they had voted for it.
Ah yes bipartisian is getting shut out of the drafting of the legislation then voting for something you had no say in....
 

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Itr was a 2 horse race.
One wins and one looses. Unless all vote for it and then everyone wins.
See the republicans could have won if they had voted for it.
Ah yes bipartisian is getting shut out of the drafting of the legislation then voting for something you had no say in....
They would have tried to insert a parole for all child molestors bill in it to kill it.
 

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Itr was a 2 horse race.
One wins and one looses. Unless all vote for it and then everyone wins.
See the republicans could have won if they had voted for it.
Ah yes bipartisian is getting shut out of the drafting of the legislation then voting for something you had no say in....
They would have tried to insert a parole for all child molestors bill in it to kill it.
They might have inserted common sense you mean...
 

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Ah yes bipartisian is getting shut out of the drafting of the legislation then voting for something you had no say in....
They would have tried to insert a parole for all child molestors bill in it to kill it.
They might have inserted common sense you mean...
You do realize you will see appropriation bill after appropriation bill coming from Congress to pay for this monstrous bill correct?
 

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You do realize that the CBO actually stated that as the bill is presently written, it will actually reduce the deficit?

President Obama delivered on his promise, in spite of the Republican's attempts to make his administration a failure. You see, real failure comes from within, as one can see from the two terms of Bush's administration. Now we see Bush bracketed by two successful Democratic Presidents.
 

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You do realize that the CBO actually stated that as the bill is presently written, it will actually reduce the deficit?

President Obama delivered on his promise, in spite of the Republican's attempts to make his administration a failure. You see, real failure comes from within, as one can see from the two terms of Bush's administration. Now we see Bush bracketed by two successful Democratic Presidents.
Lmao, you think much.:lol:

The door has been kicked open | Longboat Key News

If events of last week have proven anything it is, take that woman seriously, she means what she says. Unfortunately, Ms. Pelosi’s vision is of an ever expanding federal government, ever expanding taxes, regulations and mandates. And, she currently has the votes in congress to get wherever she wants to go.

The Republicans don’t have the votes to stop her and you can forget the Blue Dog Democrats. This group of heralded moderates managed to fold up like a two-dollar suitcase. The alleged moderates accepted an already discredited Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report that, relying on Democratic assumptions, reported that the Senate health care reform package would cut the deficit by $138 billion over the next decade.

Now, either these legislators are incredibly stupid or they are more than just a little perverse. They know the CBO is required to analyze the cost of legislation based on the assumptions dictated by the House Democrats. They are not allowed to second guess even the most outrageous assumptions. This, of course, leaves us with the old rule: BS in − BS out.

The authors of the legislation were honest about costs in inverse proportion to their ingenuity during the drafting process, and they were exceedingly ingenious. They managed to rip $463 billion out of Medicare to pay for the new health care entitlement while claiming the money is realized by eliminating waste and fraud. You have to have joined the war on drugs on the wrong side if you accept that. Then the House financial wizards declared they would save $208 billion over 10 years by cutting Medicare fees but, in a separate bill, they restore those same cuts.

The administrative costs of running the new health care programs were estimated to be $114 billion over the next decade but those costs weren’t counted because they were judged to be general fund expenditures. Next came the $123 billion in stolen revenues from Social Security and long−term care programs even though those funds are already spoken for. In short, if one is forced to use accurate accounting, the health care reform bill generates additional deficits of $562 billion.

So, what do we get for this increased fiscal insolvency? Not much according to the Chief Actuary at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). The HHS report concluded that health care expenditures would increase by an estimated total of $222 billion, and the additional demand services “could be difficult to meet” and “could lead to price increases, cost-shifting and/or changes in providers” and unwillingness to treat patients with low−reimbursement health coverage.
 

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You do realize that the CBO actually stated that as the bill is presently written, it will actually reduce the deficit?

President Obama delivered on his promise, in spite of the Republican's attempts to make his administration a failure. You see, real failure comes from within, as one can see from the two terms of Bush's administration. Now we see Bush bracketed by two successful Democratic Presidents.
Lmao, you think much.:lol:

The door has been kicked open | Longboat Key News

If events of last week have proven anything it is, take that woman seriously, she means what she says. Unfortunately, Ms. Pelosi’s vision is of an ever expanding federal government, ever expanding taxes, regulations and mandates. And, she currently has the votes in congress to get wherever she wants to go.

The Republicans don’t have the votes to stop her and you can forget the Blue Dog Democrats. This group of heralded moderates managed to fold up like a two-dollar suitcase. The alleged moderates accepted an already discredited Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report that, relying on Democratic assumptions, reported that the Senate health care reform package would cut the deficit by $138 billion over the next decade.

Now, either these legislators are incredibly stupid or they are more than just a little perverse. They know the CBO is required to analyze the cost of legislation based on the assumptions dictated by the House Democrats. They are not allowed to second guess even the most outrageous assumptions. This, of course, leaves us with the old rule: BS in − BS out.

The authors of the legislation were honest about costs in inverse proportion to their ingenuity during the drafting process, and they were exceedingly ingenious. They managed to rip $463 billion out of Medicare to pay for the new health care entitlement while claiming the money is realized by eliminating waste and fraud. You have to have joined the war on drugs on the wrong side if you accept that. Then the House financial wizards declared they would save $208 billion over 10 years by cutting Medicare fees but, in a separate bill, they restore those same cuts.

The administrative costs of running the new health care programs were estimated to be $114 billion over the next decade but those costs weren’t counted because they were judged to be general fund expenditures. Next came the $123 billion in stolen revenues from Social Security and long−term care programs even though those funds are already spoken for. In short, if one is forced to use accurate accounting, the health care reform bill generates additional deficits of $562 billion.

So, what do we get for this increased fiscal insolvency? Not much according to the Chief Actuary at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). The HHS report concluded that health care expenditures would increase by an estimated total of $222 billion, and the additional demand services “could be difficult to meet” and “could lead to price increases, cost-shifting and/or changes in providers” and unwillingness to treat patients with low−reimbursement health coverage.
Besides the fact commonsense or a brain would tell you, you're not going to cut the deficit by enrolling 32 million more people for health care...duh
 

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