Has Trump really gained ANY voters???

[BuckToothMoron]

What the hell is wrong with you? The election is 3 years away.

LOL......

A. We have a mid term election coming up in less than a year.....

B. Like it or not, Trump is a republican whose putrid "shadow" will impact on every republican candidate.

C. Like it or not, Moore is ALSO a republican whose shadow will be an albatross on every republican candidate in 2018 AND 2020.

ROLMAO

By your idiot rationale BO lost voters thru out his presidency since he came in with both houses of congress but left with none. Sure you wanna play that card stooge?

 

[nat4900]

And what happened Templer? The president suddenly and publically changed his mind. How can Dems work with a president that can’t stick to an agreement? How can anyone? Even his own party has suffered from this, having the rug pulled out from under them.

P.S. I am being a bit sarcastic because I am pissed at the political mess.

Let me add, if I may, the real fact that Trump is much more into "theater" than trying to make a sound compromise (so much for the "greatest deal maker ever born"....

When both Pelosi and Schumer did not attend Trump's latest get-together, our beloved president sat amid two EMPTY chairs (confining Ryan and McConnell to the ends of the table.)..............Now, had the democrats attended, would they really have been sitting directly to the left and right of Trump???

Just another fantasy-driven TV scenario.....

 

[SmokeALib]

It'd be a very safe bet to conclude that EVERY Trump supporter on here voted for Trump in 2016.

And, if these same supporters state that they "won" last time and given the same infantile Trump antics since last year, they could win again......

But, they'd be wrong.

Trump has LOST many voters (the Pew poll underscores that almost 20% of evangelicals no longer support him.)...Further, the anti-Clinton voters with Hillary removed from any further viability, may now vote for virtually anyone BUT Trump.

Sure, Trump may have gained a vote here and there from some democrat millionaire who stands to "hit the jackpot" if Trump's tax scam goes through...But, besides that odd individual, WHO could claim that Trump has "won them over"???

Another worthless leftist traitor rant with no substance, no links - just crying. Poor little Marxist needs more government intervention because he's too braindead to think and do for himself....Move on folks. Nothing but third world sewage here.

 

[nat4900]

ROLMAO

By your idiot rationale BO lost voters thru out his presidency since he came in with both houses of congress but left with none. Sure you wanna play that card stooge?

Absolutely, I'd "play that game".......What Obama was NEVER able to shake off for a considerable segment of his opposition, is the fact that he was a bit too dark to be sitting in the oval office.

 

[nat4900]

Another worthless leftist traitor rant with no substance, no links

Did you want the link to the Pew poll??

BTW, am I being a "traitor" to my country...OR.....am I being a "traitor" to the Trump CULT???

 

[SmokeALib]

Another worthless leftist traitor rant with no substance, no links

Did you want the link to the Pew poll??

BTW, am I being a "traitor" to my country...OR.....am I being a "traitor" to the Trump CULT???

To your country.
Next question society sucker....

 

[nat4900]

To your country.
Next question society sucker....

have some more orange kool-aid.......LOL

 

[nat4900]

To your country.
Next question society sucker....

BTW.....did you look up that pesky Pew poll yet???..............LOL

 

[Care4all]

With the way the left continues to treat middle, America you can bet he's not losing much which means democrats aren't gaining.

You mean like raising their taxes?

I'm sorry when are the raising of taxes supposed to start ?

read a newspaper, inform yourself, the taxes on the poorest and middle class go up, beginning next year....

The poorest pay taxes? Doubtful.

true on federal income taxes but not other federal taxes like other payroll taxes and gas taxes and cigarette taxes which were raised and was suppose to pay for poor children's healthcare.... but their children loose their healthcare, and adults lose their Ocare subsidies, plus the middle class loses student loan deductions and school teachers lose their supply deductions and property tax deductions and state income tax deductions and a whole bunch of other things etc etc etc that makes any tax cut alleged savings go to NIL and even in the negative....

yet the corporations who go from 35% -39% go down to paying 20% tax and not a peep on reducing their deductions like they did ours, to pay for their cuts..... that means with deductions, MANY MANY MORE big corps will pay ZERO taxes when deductions and loopholes are taken.....

Then we are faced with paying 3 states/ territories hurricane relief, an entire Nation whose infrastructure is falling apart, schools are falling apart, roads, bridges, electric grids all falling apart..... where's that money gonna come from? And then the Wall would need funding too....

we are on a path to destruction....our descendant families future is bleak....

 

[WelfareQueen]

It'd be a very safe bet to conclude that EVERY Trump supporter on here voted for Trump in 2016.

And, if these same supporters state that they "won" last time and given the same infantile Trump antics since last year, they could win again......

But, they'd be wrong.

Trump has LOST many voters (the Pew poll underscores that almost 20% of evangelicals no longer support him.)...Further, the anti-Clinton voters with Hillary removed from any further viability, may now vote for virtually anyone BUT Trump.

Sure, Trump may have gained a vote here and there from some democrat millionaire who stands to "hit the jackpot" if Trump's tax scam goes through...But, besides that odd individual, WHO could claim that Trump has "won them over"???

He gained enough votes to beat crooked Hitlery. And dude...you're still quoting polls?

The same polls that said Hillary would win in a landslide? Those polls?


THEY'RE FAKE.......

 

[nat4900]

yet the corporations who go from 35% -39% go down to paying 20% tax and not a peep on reducing their deductions like they did ours, to pay for their cuts..... that means with deductions, MANY MANY MORE big corps will pay ZERO taxes when deductions and loopholes are taken.....

Indeed....the SCAM is obvious.....

When corporations had the statutory rate of 39% (the so-called, highest in the world,) these conglomerates STILL managed to pay ZERo because of the loop-holes they bribed congress to enact.

Now that the statutory rate drops to 20% (almost half) has anyone heard of ANY loop holes that have been plugged???

 

[BuckToothMoron]

ROLMAO

By your idiot rationale BO lost voters thru out his presidency since he came in with both houses of congress but left with none. Sure you wanna play that card stooge?

Absolutely, I'd "play that game".......What Obama was NEVER able to shake off for a considerable segment of his opposition, is the fact that he was a bit too dark to be sitting in the oval office.

So you are saying he became less popular the longer he was in office. Well there is no correlation between his approval rating and how democrats did in mid terms, or state elections. You’re reaching.

Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats. That's some legacy. Circa 2015

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The recession ended in June 2009.
What did he do to end the free fall and start the economy growing again....by June?

What did he do???...........The ONLY possible option open to a president (and here I mean BOTH GWB and Obama) in the midst of 2 costly wars, tax cuts, high unemployment, and low consumers' confidence......

What did he do???...........The ONLY possible option open to a president

Say it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

America is looking for something better than more Democrats and RINOS.

Paranoia much??......The entire planet is against the Trump cult??

As I've stated countless times, the polls in 2016 were mostly on target since they gauge public opinion and NOT the electoral college's whims.......and since Clinton DID gain more POPULAR votes........

Trump won by his demagoguery and false promises (tax cuts ONLY for the middle class, a wall, draining swamps, and a HC that would be cheaper, better and passed on day one of his inauguration)......in such states as PA, WI, MI and OH......

Since NOTHING of those promises has materialized, what do you think those states will do in 2018 and 2020?

As I've stated countless times, the polls in 2016 were mostly on target since they gauge public opinion and NOT the electoral college's whims...

You don't remember any state level polls that showed Hillary would win enough states and electoral votes?

 

[rightwinger]

yet the corporations who go from 35% -39% go down to paying 20% tax and not a peep on reducing their deductions like they did ours, to pay for their cuts..... that means with deductions, MANY MANY MORE big corps will pay ZERO taxes when deductions and loopholes are taken.....

Indeed....the SCAM is obvious.....

When corporations had the statutory rate of 39% (the so-called, highest in the world,) these conglomerates STILL managed to pay ZERo because of the loop-holes they bribed congress to enact.

Now that the statutory rate drops to 20% (almost half) has anyone heard of ANY loop holes that have been plugged???

The only loopholes that got closed were those on the middle class for personal deductions and mortgage interest

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

ROLMAO

By your idiot rationale BO lost voters thru out his presidency since he came in with both houses of congress but left with none. Sure you wanna play that card stooge?

Absolutely, I'd "play that game".......What Obama was NEVER able to shake off for a considerable segment of his opposition, is the fact that he was a bit too dark to be sitting in the oval office.

What Obama was NEVER able to shake off for a considerable segment of his opposition, is the fact that he was a bit too dark to be sitting in the oval office.

The Republicans' 63-seat pickup in the House to take control of that chamber, as well as their gain of six Senate seats, signified a dramatic rollback of recent Democratic gains. In the election, Republicans won their greatest number of House seats since 1946.[14] This has been attributed to the continued economic recession, as well as President Obama's controversial stimulus and health care reform bills. Republicans also took control of 29 of the 50 state governorships and gained 690 seats in state legislatures, to hold their greatest number since the 1928 elections.[15]

United States House of Representatives elections, 2010 - Wikipedia

He wasn't too dark for his opposition, he was too incompetent for the nation.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

yet the corporations who go from 35% -39% go down to paying 20% tax and not a peep on reducing their deductions like they did ours, to pay for their cuts..... that means with deductions, MANY MANY MORE big corps will pay ZERO taxes when deductions and loopholes are taken.....

Indeed....the SCAM is obvious.....

When corporations had the statutory rate of 39% (the so-called, highest in the world,) these conglomerates STILL managed to pay ZERo because of the loop-holes they bribed congress to enact.

Now that the statutory rate drops to 20% (almost half) has anyone heard of ANY loop holes that have been plugged???

Now that the statutory rate drops to 20% (almost half) has anyone heard of ANY loop holes that have been plugged???

I agree, we need to plug those stupid "green energy" loopholes.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Trump has a hostile Congress because of his own behavior.

No. The main goal of Congress is (or should be) to work with the president and not against him. Even you as a liberal Democrat would love to see things get done in Washington, right?

He simultaneously demands they do something then when balked in any way because Congress does not work like his business, shreds individuals loudly and publicly. Instead of taking the time to learn how Congress works and what HE needs to do he turns on them.

And I'll tell you why. He works from the perspective of a citizen, not a president or a congressman. This is why his mannerisms and behavior seem alien and appalling to you. And that's why he was elected. He's also right to assume the government should work like his business, because essentially speaking it is a business. There's the CEO (Trump), the Board (Congress) and the stockholders (the people). Easy analogy. If you aren't in the business, you are against it. If you won't help it thrive you must be purged. Nobody said it was going to be pretty.

He supports something one moment then turns around and changes his mind the next. He wants Congress to repeal ACA but won’t go around selling it to the people beyond his own solid base. Tax reform....what a joke. It has something like 25% (?) public support....and is a partisan vendetta attacking blue states and higher ed.

I'm not too keen on this tax reform bill either. And the reason why this bill is unsavory to a lot of people is because not one Democrat sought to reach across the aisle to help forge a workable deal. In response, Republicans don't bother to seek their input with that foreknowledge. You see, this nation is so politically divided, you can actually see that play out in congress. If you won't work together, you naturally will not come up with a bill that people care for. Just as much the Democrats fault as it is the Republicans.

Trump knows that people outside of his own base will inherently resist anything he does or says so he caters to the people who support him. I don't blame him. Why would I cater to people who are hellbent on being hostile to me or my viewpoints? Why should I waste my time? People gravitate towards others who share commonalities with them. Hence Trump and his base. Hence our current political system.

I will note, that in 2010, the ACA had its own problems with approval, as you can see here:

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

However, as you can also see, it has recovered quite nicely. It was given time to work into the healthcare system and reap positive results. So, as for tax reform, don't knock it till you try it.

ACA was crafted over 18 months. It included input and advisory committees from affected industries and groups. It included ideas that Republicans themselves had espoused at one time.

Then why, might I ask, did no Republican vote for the ACA? Just because you have a certain idea in a bill that you espouse doesn't mean it will improve the quality of the overall bill. Hence why I said "If you won't work together, you naturally will not come up with a bill that people care for."

The president stumped around the country selling it...not just to his friendly base.

Hmm, his base wasn't confined to just blue states you know. His base, like Trump's, is scattered throughout all 50 states. Quite easy to say you were reaching outside your base when you know only your base is listening.

The process was done through the normal route, not Budget Reconciliation which should not be the way to pass huge bills. Don’t look at whether the ACA was good or bad, look at the process.

Well, when one party plays the role of obstructionist too long, the other party will find a way to circumvent that, and you. To think, this "process" is all a result of one party refusing to work with the other. Yeah, I've seen all too much how the "process" works.

Are the Dems being obstructionist? Yes, like the pubs before them.

Spare me the equivalence, if you don't mind.

How can Dems work with a president that can’t stick to an agreement?

How can a president work with a party that is hellbent on resisting anything and everything he's set on doing? Attitude has a lot to do with whether he changes his mind or not. If he thinks you aren't all in, he may pull out. If he thinks you aren't being serious, he will pull out. You have to understand that Trump has been in the business world for longer than I've been alive, he has the ability to read tendencies. If he thinks you're bullshitting him, he will cancel the agreement.

 

[rightwinger]

ROLMAO

By your idiot rationale BO lost voters thru out his presidency since he came in with both houses of congress but left with none. Sure you wanna play that card stooge?

Absolutely, I'd "play that game".......What Obama was NEVER able to shake off for a considerable segment of his opposition, is the fact that he was a bit too dark to be sitting in the oval office.

What Obama was NEVER able to shake off for a considerable segment of his opposition, is the fact that he was a bit too dark to be sitting in the oval office.

The Republicans' 63-seat pickup in the House to take control of that chamber, as well as their gain of six Senate seats, signified a dramatic rollback of recent Democratic gains. In the election, Republicans won their greatest number of House seats since 1946.[14] This has been attributed to the continued economic recession, as well as President Obama's controversial stimulus and health care reform bills. Republicans also took control of 29 of the 50 state governorships and gained 690 seats in state legislatures, to hold their greatest number since the 1928 elections.[15]

United States House of Representatives elections, 2010 - Wikipedia

He wasn't too dark for his opposition, he was too incompetent for the nation.

The wonders of the Gerrymander
Democrats have pulled more votes in the House (senate also)

Republicans have mastered ruling from a minority

 

[BluesLegend]

The left spend all their time and money attacking Trump, rather than talking about their own 2020 hopefuls or Dem policies and bills.