Has the Trumped GOP lost Fiscal Restraint as an Issue?

[Brain357]

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"I'm the king of debt!"
[Trump: 'I'm the king of debt']
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Fiscal conservative John Boehner recently observed of Congressional Republicans,​

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"None of these guys said anything when the Trump administration added $1 trillion to the federal budget deficit ​

by the end of 2019 - before a single dime was spent on COVID-19 relief!"​

"They were rubber stamps for it in Congress. Many of them who raised huge stinks about [the Troubled Asset Relief Program] were only too happy to let Trump bail out farmers hurt by his trade war with China," he added, referring to the $700 billion measure that Congress passed in October of 2008 to prop up the nation's financial system.​

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The national debt stood at $19.9 trillion when Trump took office in 2017 and hit $28 trillion last month.​

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In the wake of the sordid, national spectacle of Trump goons attacking Congress, Republicans may have hoped to return to normalcy.

Alas, their core political philosophy had already been been savaged.

Mitch McConnell who aided and abetted the Former Guy's profligate ways recently mewled,

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"It's one thing to run up the national debt when you have a hundred-year pandemic ​

but just to keep routinely adding trillions of dollars to the national debt ​

I think is ill-advised for the future of the country."​

Turtle's token, limp-wristed arm wrestling with the Administration reflects consciousness of the hypocrisy of opposing the popular President's popular agenda after having bent over meekly with nary a squeal at the Former Guy's prodigal apostasy.

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Last month circulated a Navigator Research poll showing that 59 percent of Americans support Biden's infrastructure agenda and that 83 percent support his desire to expand access to childcare and investments in clean energy infrastructure, which are not highlighted in the alternative GOP proposal.​

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A Politico/Morning Consult poll from this month showed strong support among Republicans, Democrats and independents for Biden's infrastructure spending priorities, and 65 percent of voters were on board with raising the corporate tax rate to help pay for them. The survey even found that 42 percent of Republicans favored raising taxes on corporations.​

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[GOP worries fiscal conservatism losing its rallying cry]​

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This is how it works stupid

When the DNC is in power the RNC whines about spending. Then when the RNC is in power, the DNC whines about spending.

Hand in hand they merrily enjoy a debt that is larger than any in human history.

But yea, it's Orange Man's fault

Thanks for that.

Deficits declined each year with Clinton and Obama. Deficits increased each year under Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Trump.

 

[Brain357]

I couldn't read the OP due it's dumb from start. That and he's projecting, read below you'll know.

The OP filled up a mile of other's thinking because like them he's PROG. PROGS make things dumb and complex when generally the most simple of things will do, which is the conservative approach. The truth is summarized as follows and the link supports it......FYI, the last time we were balanced was Nixon.

A. By 1990 debt was 3T.

B. By 2000 debt was 5.6T

C. By 2004 debt was 7.3T

D. Through Bush our debt was climbing about 500 billion annually. For PROGS that's half a trillion

E However Bush saw the first time debt grew one trillion in a year, which was his last year.

F. Obama comes in and wholly shit, debt growing 1.5-2 trillion annually, though there were two un-consecutive years of a pinch under one trillion and one year impressive, and no that wasn't Obama's last year (ILMAO @ Trump took Obama's ecomoney"). Besides, he had to borrow money to pay Iran on his way out the door

G. Trump years saw improvement DESPITE what PROGS say because they don't understand how shit works for starts. Trump's worst year was 1.3T more debt before COVID, and then consider such things as our GDP was the best it ever was. In other terms, quite an improvement overall.

H. The OP is an idiot, helps him sleep nights to deny COVID's impact on debt after his Demonicrats are most responsible.

I. PROGS are idiots, because they don't even know congress plays a hand in debt and more often than not Demonicrats were in control of shit when we dove into our deepest debts. Idiots

Public debt U.S. 2024| Statista

In September 2024, the national debt of the United States had risen up to 35.46 trillion U.S.

www.statista.com

Obama started with huge deficits cleaning up the Bush mess. They declined. Trump increased them again rapidly during a strong economy.

 

[Nostra]

View attachment 484110
"I'm the king of debt!"
[Trump: 'I'm the king of debt']
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Fiscal conservative John Boehner recently observed of Congressional Republicans,​

​

"None of these guys said anything when the Trump administration added $1 trillion to the federal budget deficit ​

by the end of 2019 - before a single dime was spent on COVID-19 relief!"​

"They were rubber stamps for it in Congress. Many of them who raised huge stinks about [the Troubled Asset Relief Program] were only too happy to let Trump bail out farmers hurt by his trade war with China," he added, referring to the $700 billion measure that Congress passed in October of 2008 to prop up the nation's financial system.​

​

The national debt stood at $19.9 trillion when Trump took office in 2017 and hit $28 trillion last month.​

​

In the wake of the sordid, national spectacle of Trump goons attacking Congress, Republicans may have hoped to return to normalcy.

Alas, their core political philosophy had already been been savaged.

Mitch McConnell who aided and abetted the Former Guy's profligate ways recently mewled,

​

View attachment 484115​

"It's one thing to run up the national debt when you have a hundred-year pandemic ​

but just to keep routinely adding trillions of dollars to the national debt ​

I think is ill-advised for the future of the country."​

Turtle's token, limp-wristed arm wrestling with the Administration reflects consciousness of the hypocrisy of opposing the popular President's popular agenda after having bent over meekly with nary a squeal at the Former Guy's prodigal apostasy.

​

Last month circulated a Navigator Research poll showing that 59 percent of Americans support Biden's infrastructure agenda and that 83 percent support his desire to expand access to childcare and investments in clean energy infrastructure, which are not highlighted in the alternative GOP proposal.​

​

A Politico/Morning Consult poll from this month showed strong support among Republicans, Democrats and independents for Biden's infrastructure spending priorities, and 65 percent of voters were on board with raising the corporate tax rate to help pay for them. The survey even found that 42 percent of Republicans favored raising taxes on corporations.​

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[GOP worries fiscal conservatism losing its rallying cry]​

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This is how it works stupid

When the DNC is in power the RNC whines about spending. Then when the RNC is in power, the DNC whines about spending.

Hand in hand they merrily enjoy a debt that is larger than any in human history.

But yea, it's Orange Man's fault

Thanks for that.

Deficits declined each year with Clinton and Obama. Deficits increased each year under Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Trump.

Lies.

 

[schmidlap]

Deficits declined each year with Clinton and Obama. Deficits increased each year under Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Trump.

Irresponsibly slashing revenue does that.

...In the 1980s, when Americans sent anti-tax Ronald Reagan to the White House but kept Democrats in control of the House of Representatives, the puckish journalist Charles McDowell observed that the electorate knew what it was doing. “We elect Democrats to Congress to give us stuff,”he said. “We elect Republicans to the White House so we won’t have to pay for it.”​

But, eventually, the bill comes due...​

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IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig reported that as much as $1 trillion a year in federal taxes were not being collected because of error and fraud — and because the IRS lacks the staff to go after the money.​

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[G]iven how much money has flowed to those at the top of the economy, it makes sense to turn first to the very privileged — in part as a middle-class confidence-building measure. And, after the corporate tax-cutting extravaganza in the Trump years, there is a lot of room to raise rates on companies and still keep them below their historical levels.​

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Just how much have corporations shucked off their responsibility for sharing the load? [C]orporate taxes accounted for 23% of federal revenue in 1966 but just 7% in 2019. The previous year, 91 of the Fortune 500 companies paid an effective rate of zero — or less. That wasn’t a typo. Burdening middle-income taxpayers before asking more of corporations would be political and policy malpractice.​

... a product of what Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen called a “30-year race to the bottom” as globalization and the proliferation of tax havens made it ever easier for corporations to escape taxes.

[E.J. Dionne: In taxes, as in life, cheating begets more cheating]​

 

[Papageorgio]

Fiscally responsible? Neither party is close to fiscal responsibility. We are spending like we will never have to pay it back.

Corrupt two party system strikes again!

 

[Aldo Raine]

They didn't have any credibility on economics BEFORE Trump showed up, and his four years only calcified that.

They're told they're economic experts because they have an (R) after their name, so they believe it.

Fiscal responsibility had long been a hypocritical pose, but the Former Guy's quadrennial spending spree that they openly aided and abetted killed their fake shtick. Whining now would make them an even bigger joke.

Get prepared for a YUGE rolling belly laugh then!!!
MAGA

 

[BlindBoo]

Not on your life. The Flock will go "Baaaaaaaahh" on que, as usual.
We got to watch out for the 'Debt Ceiling' dontchaknow!

 

[Mac1958]

Gee, ya think?

Those evil RINOs are trying to bring the party back to the days of at least CLAIMING to be "fiscally conservative", before Trump's All You Can Eat Fiscal Donut Shop opened for business:

GOP worries fiscal conservatism losing its rallying cry

Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) said “unfortunately” fiscal concerns are “probably” not as important to the GOP base as 10 years ago and that Trump helped transform the party’s priorities.

“It wasn’t something that was an important issue for President Trump, and so many of our base voters align themselves with President Trump. It’s almost like now debt, deficits, spending become abstract issues that a lot of folks aren’t paying attention to and should be,” he said.

There was a “political evolution,” Thune said, and the fiscal conservatism that was a core tenet of the Tea Party “got displaced ... by the more populist elements” of the Republican Party.

He went on to say that while Trump was able to energize voters by hitting on hot-button cultural topics, such as immigration and border security, it’s now time for the GOP to get back to its traditional stance on fiscal issues.

“I’m frankly very concerned about the level of spending and debt, and I think Republicans have got to be the adults in the room and exercise the fiscal responsibility that seems to have been absent, lacking the last several years,” Thune said.

 

[JLW]

Since when has the GOP been fiscally conservative? Oh I know! When Democrats are in office. Other than that they are spendthrifts.

 

[Nostra]

Has the Trumped GOP lost Fiscal Restraint as an Issue?

"I'm the king of debt!" [Trump: 'I'm the king of debt'] Fiscal conservative John Boehner recently observed of Congressional Republicans, "None of these guys said anything when the Trump administration added $1 trillion to the federal budget deficit by the end of 2019 - before a single dime...

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[Mac1958]

Since when has the GOP been fiscally conservative? Oh I know! When Democrats are in office. Other than that they are spendthrifts.

And they think no one notices.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Gee, ya think?

Those evil RINOs are trying to bring the party back to the days of at least CLAIMING to be "fiscally conservative", before Trump's All You Can Eat Fiscal Donut Shop opened for business:

GOP worries fiscal conservatism losing its rallying cry

Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) said “unfortunately” fiscal concerns are “probably” not as important to the GOP base as 10 years ago and that Trump helped transform the party’s priorities.

“It wasn’t something that was an important issue for President Trump, and so many of our base voters align themselves with President Trump. It’s almost like now debt, deficits, spending become abstract issues that a lot of folks aren’t paying attention to and should be,” he said.

There was a “political evolution,” Thune said, and the fiscal conservatism that was a core tenet of the Tea Party “got displaced ... by the more populist elements” of the Republican Party.

He went on to say that while Trump was able to energize voters by hitting on hot-button cultural topics, such as immigration and border security, it’s now time for the GOP to get back to its traditional stance on fiscal issues.

“I’m frankly very concerned about the level of spending and debt, and I think Republicans have got to be the adults in the room and exercise the fiscal responsibility that seems to have been absent, lacking the last several years,” Thune said.

Anyone know how to tell if a thread is going to be a hit piece on Trump and completely stupid? Just check out the OP's name.

 

[Mac1958]

Gee, ya think?

Those evil RINOs are trying to bring the party back to the days of at least CLAIMING to be "fiscally conservative", before Trump's All You Can Eat Fiscal Donut Shop opened for business:

GOP worries fiscal conservatism losing its rallying cry

Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) said “unfortunately” fiscal concerns are “probably” not as important to the GOP base as 10 years ago and that Trump helped transform the party’s priorities.

“It wasn’t something that was an important issue for President Trump, and so many of our base voters align themselves with President Trump. It’s almost like now debt, deficits, spending become abstract issues that a lot of folks aren’t paying attention to and should be,” he said.

There was a “political evolution,” Thune said, and the fiscal conservatism that was a core tenet of the Tea Party “got displaced ... by the more populist elements” of the Republican Party.

He went on to say that while Trump was able to energize voters by hitting on hot-button cultural topics, such as immigration and border security, it’s now time for the GOP to get back to its traditional stance on fiscal issues.

“I’m frankly very concerned about the level of spending and debt, and I think Republicans have got to be the adults in the room and exercise the fiscal responsibility that seems to have been absent, lacking the last several years,” Thune said.

Anyone know how to tell if a thread is going to be a hit piece on Trump and completely stupid? Just check out the OP's name.

Poor Trumpster.

 

[Brain357]

They have an awful fiscal records. Deficits climb every time we have a repub. Trump inherited a strong economy and sill drastically increased deficits.

 

[Mac1958]

They have an awful fiscal records. Deficits climb every time we have a repub. Trump inherited a strong economy and sill drastically increased deficits.

He was a hyper-Keynesian. Keynes was rolling over in his grave.

 

[bripat9643]

Gee, ya think?

Those evil RINOs are trying to bring the party back to the days of at least CLAIMING to be "fiscally conservative", before Trump's All You Can Eat Fiscal Donut Shop opened for business:

GOP worries fiscal conservatism losing its rallying cry

Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) said “unfortunately” fiscal concerns are “probably” not as important to the GOP base as 10 years ago and that Trump helped transform the party’s priorities.

“It wasn’t something that was an important issue for President Trump, and so many of our base voters align themselves with President Trump. It’s almost like now debt, deficits, spending become abstract issues that a lot of folks aren’t paying attention to and should be,” he said.

There was a “political evolution,” Thune said, and the fiscal conservatism that was a core tenet of the Tea Party “got displaced ... by the more populist elements” of the Republican Party.

He went on to say that while Trump was able to energize voters by hitting on hot-button cultural topics, such as immigration and border security, it’s now time for the GOP to get back to its traditional stance on fiscal issues.

“I’m frankly very concerned about the level of spending and debt, and I think Republicans have got to be the adults in the room and exercise the fiscal responsibility that seems to have been absent, lacking the last several years,” Thune said.

Thune is a RINO. All those who claim that the GOP has lost its way were opposed to the GOP agenda from the start. Tell us why anyone should believe anything they say?

 

[Brain357]

They should probably throw out the idea that regulation and tax cuts grow the economy too. Trump couldn’t even hit 3% growth while running a trillion dollar deficit.

 

[bripat9643]

They have an awful fiscal records. Deficits climb every time we have a repub. Trump inherited a strong economy and sill drastically increased deficits.

He was a hyper-Keynesian. Keynes was rolling over in his grave.

You mean deficits didn't increase under Obama, and they haven't increased under Swiss cheese brain?

 

[bripat9643]

They have an awful fiscal records. Deficits climb every time we have a repub. Trump inherited a strong economy and sill drastically increased deficits.

Democrats are responsible for 90% of the spending in our budget.

 

[Brain357]

Gee, ya think?

Those evil RINOs are trying to bring the party back to the days of at least CLAIMING to be "fiscally conservative", before Trump's All You Can Eat Fiscal Donut Shop opened for business:

GOP worries fiscal conservatism losing its rallying cry

Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) said “unfortunately” fiscal concerns are “probably” not as important to the GOP base as 10 years ago and that Trump helped transform the party’s priorities.

“It wasn’t something that was an important issue for President Trump, and so many of our base voters align themselves with President Trump. It’s almost like now debt, deficits, spending become abstract issues that a lot of folks aren’t paying attention to and should be,” he said.

There was a “political evolution,” Thune said, and the fiscal conservatism that was a core tenet of the Tea Party “got displaced ... by the more populist elements” of the Republican Party.

He went on to say that while Trump was able to energize voters by hitting on hot-button cultural topics, such as immigration and border security, it’s now time for the GOP to get back to its traditional stance on fiscal issues.

“I’m frankly very concerned about the level of spending and debt, and I think Republicans have got to be the adults in the room and exercise the fiscal responsibility that seems to have been absent, lacking the last several years,” Thune said.

Thune is a RINO. All those who claim that the GOP has lost its way were opposed to the GOP agenda from the start. Tell us why anyone should believe anything they say?

Trump was a giant failure.:
huge deficits, giant bailouts, riots, recession, most pandemic deaths, couldn’t hit 3% gdp growth, failed tariffs....