Has Fascism come to America?

[Coyote]

It's about useful idiot propaganda and talking points, obviously.

So…you can’t counter the points either.

 

[Orangecat]

So…you can’t counter the points either.

I have no need to. Trump supporters aren't fascists and neither is Trump. Don't be a sore loser.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Why yes. It has. MAGA!

Seriously though, I never thought I would see this.


Source: What Is Fascism?

“Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies that support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.

In many ways, fascist regimes are revolutionary in nature. They advocate for the overthrow of existing systems of government and the persecution of political enemies. However, such regimes are also highly conservative in their championing of traditional values.

And although fascist leaders typically claim to support the everyman, in reality, their regimes often align with powerful business interests.”


Sound familiar? It should.

Existing forms of government are being overthrown through the destruction of our institutions with the Executive usurping powers traditionally given to Congress and openly defying the courts when checked.

Note the last line: aligned with powerful business interests: Musk (who is raking in millions in government contracts), Bezos, Zuckerberg.


Characteristics of Facism:

Extreme Nationalism - check.

Fascist leaders believe in the supremacy of certain groups of people based on characteristics such as race, religion, ethnicity, and nationality.


Cult of personality - check.

Fascist regimes cultivate images of their leaders as great figures to be loved and admired. This cult of personality is often perpetuated through mass media and propaganda. …The Pope chalked up Il Duce’s survival of assassination attempts to divine intervention, adding to Mussolini’s mystique.


How did Fascists come to power? This is interesting, because it tracks what has actually been happening.

“It wasn’t overnight. History laid the groundwork – a pattern of liberal decay.

First, fascist parties gained a foothold in government through initially democratic means. However, over time, the party consolidated power, and ultimately secured their dictatorship.”

Note: Trump is seeking ways for a 3rd term and a Congressman is creating a bill to create a path to a 3rd term that only applies to Trump’s situation.

Mods move this gibberish to Conspiracy or Rubber Room

 

[Leo123]

What Is Fascism?

According to this source there are 5 stages of Fascism.

Stage 1: Emerging out of disillusionment

Covid lockdowns, economic downturn and supply chain meltdowns, inflation, political instability (false claims of 2020 election fraud), etc.

Economic crisis spurs a nationalist political movement blaming immigrants and ethnic minorities for the country’s turmoil.


Stage 2: Establishing Legitimacy as a Political Party

The Trumpification of the Republican Party


Popular mobilization

… fascist regimes seek to energize public participation in society through government-organized channels. Both Mussolini and Hitler, for instance, drew massive crowds in rallies intended to stir up enthusiasm for the country, the party, and the leader.

Trump has the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers as his “Blackshirts” – fascist citizen militias loyal to Trump. Trump has also pardoned them from any crimes or violence on his behalf and made it clear his DoJ will not prosecute them for anything in the future . In addition to those more organized militias he has a fervent and large core of MAGA followers willing to commit populist violence on his behalf. January 6 is the defining moment for the movement.

Of note, like Mussolini’s Fascism – Trump’s fascist militants have skirmished with groups like ANTIFA, and leftist protestors (labeled socialists and Marxists) protesting his policies.

Like other Fascist groups, the MAGA movement also blames specific groups for the country’s seeming demise and undermining efforts to make America Great AGAIN.

Immigrants (not just illegal immigrants), Black People, DEI, Transgender people.

What bullshit!!! No patriotic American is blaming immigrants. We are blaming the sad Democrat policy of open borders for causing an invasion of America from all over the world. We are blaming the Democrats for stretching the emigration laws and especially being lax on asylum claims. Beyond all this, the sheer numbers flooding our border makes is next to impossible to make sure we are not letting in criminals and criminal gangs.

It has nothing at all do to with the crap you said like, US hating immigrants. Hell America IS a country of immigrants. LEGAL IMMIGRANTS .Trump does not 'have' any groups. I find your comparing Trump to dictators like Mussolini not only laughable but insulting. You are taking Democrat talking points and constructing a whole fantasy world that you seem to live in.

 

[Coyote]

We could start at extreme nationalism, and end with the individual bullshit.

Extreme nationalism implies EXTREME shit, we're not. It's pure subjective BS, and you so want to believe it free of real proof.

Ohhhh woah right there. We are at the most extreme nationalism I have seen in my lifetime. America First is now America Only. American belligerence around the world, attacking our allies, threatening to take territory from others in America’s interest, deporting any foreigner we can legal, illegal, green card.

na·tion·al·ism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌliz(ə)m/

noun

1. identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

I don't see individuals losing their rights; you guys sure like to cry otherwise. Where were you when they mandated covid shots, for appearances, power and $?

Did the government mandate Covid shots for everyone?

We are losing free speech rights and that is Constitutionally guaranteed. You can make tbe argument that those being grabbed off the streets by masked ICE agents are not “citizens” but is a bad argument on two counts: they still have free speech rights and immigrants represent the low hanging fruit. Who’s next?

How about when illegals and foreigners are preferred over US citizens? US citizens are made up of millions having "individual rights".

Do you mean in terms of hiring? I am not sure what you are saying,

Kicker is it's the Demonicrats that love war, but yeah, let's pretend Trump is Demoncracked should it help you sleep nights.

I don’t think war is the exclusive domain of either party.

 

[IM2]

Seems I read on this very board today about a democrat talking head advocating for the trashing of the constitution. Hmmmm.
"The American Jacobin: How Some on the Left have Found Release in an Age of Rage
I also don't recall Republicans calling for and advocating violence against an opposition candidate or the destruction of a legal American company, their products and those who purchase and use those products. Sounds exactly like her definition of fascism. Saul Alinsky would be proud of Coyote.

You don't? Or is it that you don't want to? Republicans have opposed the Constitution for decades. Trump is violating it right now.

 

[The Duke]

Oh dear. Whoever lied to this woman is criminal.

 

[IM2]

Fascism has been here a long time. Thinking it started with Trump, is uniparty partisan stupidity.

Its been here from the beginning. There is no uniparty.

 

[WelfareQueen]

So…you can’t counter the points either.

I will take your point seriously for a moment. Nationalism is not by definition, Fascism. You kids on the Left are Globalist. Anything that hints of Nationalism freaks you out.

But here's the thing. Globalism is dead. It never worked. The British PM said this a few days ago. The evolution of the Nation State was one of the most important developments in human history. The world is in the process of rejecting Globalism. That is a very good thing.

 

[IM2]

I'll reply with your own words you said to me:

"And if you even begin to really believe they are the same, then you're a dunce. That's saying it nicely."

The problem wth what you say is that I am correct about this.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Major gaslighting in this thread Proceed with oxygen mask only.

 

[IM2]

So JFK, FDR, and Obama were not loved and admired?

And you know that's not what you implied.

 

[IM2]

Major gaslighting in this thread Proceed with oxygen mask only.

There is no gaslighting going on here. But keep on enabling Trump and you will learn.

 

[Coyote]

What bullshit!!! No patriotic American is blaming immigrants. We are blaming the sad Democrat policy of open borders for causing an invasion of America from all over the world. We are blaming the Democrats for stretching the emigration laws and especially being lax on asylum claims. Beyond all this, the sheer numbers flooding our border makes is next to impossible to make sure we are not letting in criminals and criminal gangs.

It has nothing at all do to with the crap you said like, US hating immigrants. Hell America IS a country of immigrants. LEGAL IMMIGRANTS .Trump does not 'have' any groups. I find your comparing Trump to dictators like Mussolini not only laughable but insulting. You are taking Democrat talking points and constructing a whole fantasy world that you seem to live in.

That is an interesting way to put it.

The problem is that this administration isn’t just going after illegal immigrants or prioritizing immigrants who committed major crimes and should be deported. It is also totally bypassing due process meaning when an immigrant is wrongly deported, it can be catastrophic for that person.

 

[Coyote]

Fascism has been here a long time. Thinking it started with Trump, is uniparty partisan stupidity.

It didn’t “start” with Trump per se, because it is PROCESS butTrump is the person with the personality and will to manifest it.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Ohhhh woah right there. We are at the most extreme nationalism I have seen in my lifetime. America First is now America Only. American belligerence around the world, attacking our allies, threatening to take territory from others in America’s interest, deporting any foreigner we can legal, illegal, green card.

na·tion·al·ism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌliz(ə)m/

noun

1. identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

Did the government mandate Covid shots for everyone?

We are losing free speech rights and that is Constitutionally guaranteed. You can make tbe argument that those being grabbed off the streets by masked ICE agents are not “citizens” but is a bad argument on two counts: they still have free speech rights and immigrants represent the low hanging fruit. Who’s next?



Do you mean in terms of hiring? I am not sure what you are saying,


I don’t think war is the exclusive domain of either party.

I stopped reading at your first "point".....A load of BS you so want to believe in. Perhaps you shouldn't spend so much time with unhappy lesbians who can't rationalize anything because they're emotionally fucked?

 

[Coyote]

Certainly not by everyone. Especially that scumbag fdr.

I think it is more that they loved by many and a myth kind of was built around them (like Camelot), but I don’t think that applied to FDR.

 

[Coyote]

I stopped reading at your first "point".....A load of BS you so want to believe in. Perhaps you shouldn't spend so much time with unhappy lesbians who can't rationalize anything because they're emotionally fucked?

You sound triggered. Maybe you need to find another thread that doesn’t trigger your lesbian trauma? If you stop reading at the first point…well…you suit your name then . (Good movie though and especially apt for now).

 

[IM2]

I stopped reading at your first "point".....A load of BS you so want to believe in. Perhaps you shouldn't spend so much time with unhappy lesbians who can't rationalize anything because they're emotionally fucked?

You choose to stay blind to fascism because the fascism is happening to those who aren't white. It's not going to stop there, and when it hits those like you, it's going to be too late; fascism will be permanent.

 

[Lesh]

Have democrats latched on to a new catchphrase they don't understand? Why yes, they have!

Strangely this poster was an extreme anti-Trumper not long ago